[identity profile] norsepaw.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware
WHO: Porsha, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/porsha (not active). http://www.furaffinity.net/user/fagfox (current active account)

WHERE: On FA via notes


WHAT: Have not paid for these 5 digital pieces;
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8021891/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8034857/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8034884/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8035145/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8057246/

WHEN: May 2012

PROOF: Screenshots in Explain.

EXPLAIN: First time I got in contact with Porsha was during my yearly Badge Sale and she order two badges and needed them pretty much the same day(date May 17th 2012). It was done and I got paid right away. She thanked and said she would commission me another time.

Next day I got another note from her requesting three more badges and two digital art pieces.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/norsepaw/44954883/2486/2486_900.png" alt="porsha_commission

I gave her bit of a discont since I had just opened up on commissions. In all for the three badges and the two art pieces was 25$.
I regret to this day I did. I showed her the sketches of all the pieces just a day later and it got approved. I think I uploaded the finished pieces before she had paid for them(biggest mistake). I ask for payment and I get this;
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/norsepaw/44954883/2620/2620_900.png" alt="porsha_waitingstart

I agreed to wait and thought it wont take more then 2-3 days to transfer money into paypal. after a week with no contact I left a shout on her Porsha account asking if everything was alright. no answer and her journals were suddenly gone.

In June I asked our fellow friend Bird what had happened. He didn't want to get in detail other then she had a few problems RL. He said he could ask her the next time she logged into skype. He later gave me her skype name but I forgot it since it was summer vacation and I had other things in mind. Time went by and no active on her Porsha account I feared she had quit the fandom.

Start of May 2013 I checked on normaly on FA and clicked on Birds account to see what new faves he had and spotted a very familier black and hotpink fennec icon. It was Porsha on a new account named Fagfox. I was happy she was still alive and a bit angry that she had not given any contact to me. Checked her new profile and spotted her journal saying she had been sendt to hospital.
I wrote; "Hey haven't heard from you in a while, thought you were gone forever. Sorry to hear you been having trouble. hope things will get better and I will be hearing from you again." As I clicked the submit button I was sendt right to a new page that explained that Porsha have blocked me. I looked at the screen for almost 5 minutes hoping it was just a very late aprilfools joke. But no. Porsha have me blocked on her new account that I had no idea about. I checked through her gallery and see some of the pieces she had commissioned(some who she haven't paid for) and there were no credit or link back to me.

She was still in contact with Bird and felt bad that I had to go through him again to get in contact with Porsha. He got in contact with her and I was told through him that Porsha had family problems and they wont let her use her paypal. He offered to pay for the commissions and told him no since its not he who owe me money. I asked him if Porsha could contact me soon as possible or at least ask why I am blocked. Didn't hear for him in days, posted adice post her on AB and then tried to get in contact with him again. The note is still not read and I went to Norwegian Paws to get in contact with him. He said sorry and said eh would try and get in contact with Porsha again. She haven't been speaking to him much anymore. Havent heard anymore from either him or Porsha and its 20.05.2013. Close to a year.

I have not seen any new commissions to her(that I can see), but this is just a heads up to ask for payment before uploading the finished pieces and I have learnt my mistake in this and currently making myself a TOS for future commissions in hope this wont happen again. But doing commissions after Porsha haven't been fun anymore either becouse of fear it will happen again.

Also the notes between me and Bird was in Norwegian, but if you all still want to see them I can take screenshots of them.

Here is the latest message from Porsha: http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt20/sivichan/porsha__zps711b41d1.jpg


Current Mood: Tired

Date: 2013-05-23 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zippiner.livejournal.com
I'm not sure what you can do, since she is a minor in another country.

In the U.S. I know minors can't be held to contracts they enter. (Their parents can be.) Beware well warranted though.

In the future I would recommend you not do business transactions with minors and get money upfront (Or at least a down payment)

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Date: 2013-05-23 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragontripmon.livejournal.com
Is it me or the artist bypassing an age lock considering the Porsha account has mature/adult artwork favored. Since they are a minor.

The current account also has mature/adult work in their favorites as well.
Edited Date: 2013-05-23 11:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-24 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tealmoonxiv.livejournal.com
She needs to be reported then.

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Date: 2013-05-24 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jakejynx.livejournal.com
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since she hasn't paid for the art she's got posted in her gallery, can't you do a sort of DMCA with FA about it? Don't they do that?

Date: 2013-05-24 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lackoflollies.livejournal.com
I wouldn't call it a "DMCA", but you CAN contact the administration and revoke their permission to host the art on their gallery. I've done that a couple of times.

edit; corrected some typos.
Edited Date: 2013-05-24 01:50 am (UTC)

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Date: 2013-05-24 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kontonakuma.livejournal.com
I'm sure you could report it to the FA admins and have them take it down. On top of that, if she's under-aged and favoriting mature art, she can get reported for that as well due to bypassing the mature tags.

MOD NOTE

Date: 2013-05-24 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oceandezignz.livejournal.com
Please either turn your caps into links or put your entire post under an LJ-cut.

Thanks!

Date: 2013-05-24 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] draekaar draconigenae (from livejournal.com)
Like everyone else has said -- Contact FA and request that the unpaid for art be removed, and point out the age issue where she's not actually 18. They might require actual proof somewhere though.

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Date: 2013-05-24 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alleykitties.livejournal.com
Uhm, this really sucks and all, but why is everyone using female pronouns on a kid that clearly identifies as male? Like, it's literally the first thing on his new page. That he's male, and a "socially awkard trans boy".

We can critize someone's actions and still respect their identity, yes?

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Date: 2013-05-24 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dinobutt.livejournal.com
I agree with all of this, but glancing at his journals, it looks like he just came out a week ago. The OP may not have been aware of that fact when this post was written since approval here can take a while!

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Date: 2013-05-24 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestinaketzia.livejournal.com
I think everyone read the OP's post and hasn't actually looked at his profile. I personally wouldn't have known or noticed (the font is almost too dark to see on my screen) had you not said anything! I'm going to give my benefit of the doubt and say the OP probably (hopefully) is not purposefully misgendering him.

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Date: 2013-05-24 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neolucky.livejournal.com
I don't think it's about lack of respect, as many of us here are very involved in the subject and wouldn't purposefully use the wrong pronouns. I think it's more just a mistake on OPs part, as Porsha requested the art while he identified as a female.

As others said, this is a recent coming-out, and people probably didn't quite notice. I didn't notice it on the new profile either, to be honest. I don't think the OP would intentionally replace "she" if they had known better.

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Date: 2013-05-25 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowyedges.livejournal.com
I don't think that the OP misgendered them on purpose -- I didn't even notice their gender on the profile, I simply glanced at the art in the gallery and all of the pieces are of a feminine/female character. That, and this post could have been submitted before they announced that they were trans since the journal was only posted a week ago.
If I'm being honest, Porsh is being ... really rude and not very polite about the gender identities of others in their own journal, going on about people "faking" and treating it like a trend. When someone comments that maybe they're just having trouble deciding their own identity he says "no, they're just dumbasses". That seems a lot worse than the OP more likely than not ACCIDENTALLY using the wrong pronouns on them.

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Date: 2013-05-24 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vexinglyyours.livejournal.com
correct me if i'm wrong, but shouldn't the tag read "comm" instead of "artist"?

Date: 2013-05-24 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shukivengeance.livejournal.com
Yes it should, fixed.

Date: 2013-05-26 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totschrei.livejournal.com
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4671513/
This journal is disgusting. Telling the artist they are going to have to get over the fact they will never get paid is horrible way for business.

I am rather disappointed.
Beware warranted.

Date: 2013-05-26 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragontripmon.livejournal.com
Well he is replying I don't give a fuck like it's no big deal on that journal itself. That attitude though is really something though. Though it's now clear the person just committed theft.
Edited Date: 2013-05-26 01:33 am (UTC)

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Date: 2013-05-26 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] germanchoclates.livejournal.com
Ayeayeaye. Man, what a horrible situation to be in, especially with their 'not pointing fingers who but it's clearly you' journals while basically ignoring they wasted your time and effort. The fact they are lying about the pictures not being up is...a load of wow. Sorry it ended up this way.

Date: 2013-05-26 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tropicalblaze.livejournal.com
That journal. That just screams that they are not ready to be dealing in the business world, even as a buyer.

Also, a bit off topic, "drug enthusiast" is a bit concerning for someone that young. Though I don't understand why anyone would want to advertise that to begin with.

Blocking.

edited for typo
Edited Date: 2013-05-26 07:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-26 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tropicalblaze.livejournal.com
Previous journal calling out the op is now gone.

Though they are now apparently bailing on FA http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4673941/

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Date: 2013-05-26 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pandacat-magic.livejournal.com
Oh gosh this guy is being a complete child about it. Blaming everything on 'drama'. A simple note or email to the artist explaining what happened would have been nice.

I feel bad for the artist though, it seems like they're not going to get what they earned for those badges. ;c

Date: 2013-05-27 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totschrei.livejournal.com
I just thought you should know he is using it on his facebook account. All the photo's that he had said he did NOT use in which is a lie. I am sorry about this I will link the photos being used.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=103258019853457&set=a.103237069855552.4288.100005077774138&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fsphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-ash4%2F484816_103258019853457_2117203455_n.jpg&size=925%2C960

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=103261423186450&set=a.103237069855552.4288.100005077774138&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash3%2F582405_103261423186450_1900016859_n.jpg&size=730%2C889

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=103262469853012&set=a.103237069855552.4288.100005077774138&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-prn1%2F537451_103262469853012_821644958_n.jpg&size=659%2C953

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=103266769852582&set=a.103237069855552.4288.100005077774138&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F321424_103266769852582_1438608540_n.jpg&size=960%2C651

Hope this all gets cleared up! ^__^

Edit:
Seems you can only access it if you are friends with him.
Here is the screen shots instead.

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t453/TotSchrei/Screenshots/Screen1_zps54ec0e04.png

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t453/TotSchrei/Screenshots/Screen2_zps7802fca9.png

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t453/TotSchrei/Screenshots/Screen3_zps2da6fbe0.png

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t453/TotSchrei/Screenshots/Screen4_zps68496168.png
Edited Date: 2013-05-27 03:43 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2013-05-27 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragontripmon.livejournal.com
Oh wow the last screenshot really did it. Considering this kid lies about his age to get porn from people.

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Date: 2013-09-06 04:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] totschrei.livejournal.com
Hey there!
I dont know if you are okay with it or not... but the images are still up on their facebook page.
Just keeping you informed! ^__^

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