[identity profile] the-blackrook.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware


WHO: Peridotkitty http://www.furaffinity.net/user/peridotkitty

WHERE: Furaffinity.net and Skype

WHAT: 42 page comic with a Cover ( $1500/$3150 paid )


WHEN: June2015- Present(March 2016)

PROOF:


  1. All payments

  2. First payment (Jun 14 2015)

  3. Second payment (Jun 28 2015)

  4. Third Payment (Aug 13 2015)

  5. fourth payment(Sep  29 2015)

  6. Incomplete cover work(From Peridotkitty's Trello): [COVER] NSFW

  7. Incomplete comic work(From Peridotkitty's Trello) [COMIC WORK][COMIC WORK 2]


EXPLAIN:

I work on an anthology comic project  with my fiance which is set to be published. Both of us work on comics for this as well as hire other artists. Artist hired receive a retainer fee( I pay this) to start them off before moving forward. With hiring artist we also gather funders to be a part of the comic.

There were three funders for Peridotkitty's comic (names are hidden at mods' request)

Funders were invoiced through my paypal (I work under LLC) and funds were sent to the artist.Payments for hired artist were sent monthly until the full project amount was paid unless the artist failed to produce enough progress in a timely matter at the funders discretion, that progress being a minimum of 2 completed pages per month. Now if certain uncontrollable life situations occured, we are understanding and  funders are notified of what's going on to give the artist appropriate time to recoup and catch up. If the required progression does not occur, then a refund is requested.

Bi-weekly check ups were also required in order to make sure proper progress had been made and to keep the funders happy. Help to the artist for anything was always offered and provided if needed including editing, storyboarding, and scripting.

The Beginning----------------

May 2015-June 2015

Discussion was made with Peridotkitty about the comic and how it would work out through furaffinity and eventually moving to skype.( Sadly,my notes will not appear past 1350 notes but logs are available [1][2])The agreed price was $75 per comic page(total of 42 pages) and a cover for $3150. During this process the idea of funders came about. Three were found and  the retainer was sent on June 14th and a second payment on June 28th [SKYPE LOG 1][CASTING JOURNAL]NSFW

More discussion was made about the comic and the script completion [SKYPE LOG 2] [SKYPE LOG 3]

Sent another payment on Jun 28 [SKYPE LOG 4]


July 2015-August 2015

References of the cast were provided in Peridotkitty's shared dropbox folder for the comic during this time.

Conversations were friendly  but quiet for July as my fiance and I were prepping for Anthrocon. Peridotkitty was contacted a bit about the dropbox progress folder set up for the funders which we shared with them to see the project progression. [SKYPE LOG 5]

Anthrocon came and went and there was little communication regarding the comic until August 6 [SKYPE LOG 6] [SKYPE LOG 7]

Correspondence during this month became harder and I believe this is due to Peridotkitty's Patreon  and her owing a lot more work due to it. I was understanding of this and explained this to the funders.Another monthly payment was sent to her. [SKYPE LOG 8] [SKYPE LOG 9]

No major progress was made to her sketches.

September 2015-October 2015

At this point we became worried. I started to inquire about whether she needed any assistance with her pages.Attempted contact was made and became more difficult.No progress other than the sketches  for the first couple of pages were done and Peridotkitty suggested that her public trello should be linked to the funders to keep their minds at ease. [SKYPE LOG 10][SKYPE LOG 11] [SKYPE LOG 12] [ SKYPE LOG 13]

On September 25th, project structure was being changed where the freelancers were to sign a contract. Peridotkitty read the contact and found it to be fair. There was a tiny error in the contract (Wrong comic title) but was edited. (Contract will not be linked unless requested).Terms of the contract required a minimum of 2 completed comic pages monthly, withholding of monthly funds if progress was unacceptable yet gave the artist a chance to catch up in a timely manner before being fired and requested a FULL refund. PeridotKitty was set to fax the form...but she was told to wait until further notice due to the high cost of collecting faxes from kinkos. [SKYPE LOG 14][SKYPE LOG 15][SKYPE LOG 16]

There was little to no response from Peridotkitty during October regarding the project and the funders were starting to get more agitated .On October 15th, she sent me a message that she had gotten a job which would take away more of her time [SKYPE LOG 17]

November 2015-December2015

During November I hired my assistant Carmel in helping with correspndence with the freelancers. Communication became more sparce and Peridotkitty was spending most of her time doing other commission work and streaming. [SKYPE LOG 18]

On November 15th, I dictated a note to Carmel to send to Peridotkitty seeing as contact with her through skype was becoming a major issue. In the note it was discussed the worry of the funders for the lack of progress and that monthly payments would be withheld until proper progress was made.[CARMEL NOTE 1]

November 18th, Peridotkitty got back to me about withholding funds. During this discussion she also talked about making turnarounds for the characters. (Please note that this is not part of the project but her own doing).  She even mentions that she was still refining the first page of the comic after months. [SKYPE LOG 19]

November 20th, Peridotkitty was contacted again about the contract and the possibility of mailing it.Peridotkitty never provided  the needed information. Afterwards the skype conversation fell silent. Rook dictated to Tia more notes to her on November 27th and two in December. [SKYPE LOG 20][CARMEL NOTE 2][CARMEL NOTE 3][CARMEL NOTE 4]


January 2016-February 2016

Funders were pretty much unhappy with the major lack of progress and were ready to ask for a full refund. Contact was attempted again on January 4th with no response. Another note was dictated for Carmel to send to Peridotkitty stating that this is the ultimatum to keep her job. She was to complete the first 3 pages of the comic by the end of January and the next 3 by the end of February. Peridotkitty got back to me on January 11th and requested color  armor references for one of the character as not having that stopped her progress. [CARMEL NOTE 5][SKYPE LOG 20]

January was a rough month for us due to personal matters and getting the colors took longer than we expected. They were added to the dropbox folder on [January 28th] and because of this she was given more time to work. She had to finish the first 3 pages by the end of Febrauary.But it must be said that during the month of January, all of her sketches for the first 3 pages were not refined as seen in her progress folder and in her trello. Not even inked. Flats were added to the cover but it still wasn't done. Peridotkitty gave more excuses which we tried explaining to the funders...but their patience was pretty much over. [SKYPE LOG 21][SKYPE LOG 22][TRELLO 1: COVER]NSFW[TRELLO 2: COMIC1][TRELLO 3:COMIC 2]

The pressure was on during February and I desperatly tried to get in contact with Peridotkitty. [SKYPE LOG 23]

March 2016
In this time frame of 9 months she added flats to the cover and did incomplete sketches for the first 3 pages. Not a single page was completed.

We decided to terminate Peridotkitty on March 20th and asked for a refend. During this correspondence Peridotkitty kept making excuses that not all of  this was her fault and that blame should also be placed on me . I was patient, I was understanding, and I defended her when talking to the funders and kept them informed of her life situations but the lack of major progress after months was enough.She had the resources to do what she needed to do but didn't. She mocked me for paying in advance, for not having a signed contract and my overall position.The question of a refund was not responded to.

What ensued was the following conversation:
[Firing note 1] Initial termination note

[Firing note 2]Peri's response. She takes little responsibility for not doing the work and adds the blame on me.

[Firing note 3]

[Firing note 4]

[Firing note 5][Firing note 6](Question about refund. Peridotkitty did not address this)

[Firing note 7][Firing note 8]
[Firing note 9]Peridotkitty's attitude quickly shifted

[Firing note 10]
[Firing note 11] Her last response in regards to a journal I made which has nothing to do with this transaction.

[Firing note 12] My last note to her where I cut off communication. I honestly had to step away.

All correspondence has since ceased.
On March 21st I filed a claim with paypal. Sadly only $700 of the money could be disputed.

The claim was [closed on March 23rd] as Peridotkitty told paypal that ALL work was completed up til March and that I was just being an unsatisfied customer.This was through a  phone call and we are requesting an email of what she said to post here.

Paypal did not contact us to hear our side when making their decision so I filed an appeal.

March 24th, our appeal was also closed and none of the money will be sent back.

I am not fully blameless and there are things that should have been handled better. I dont think there's much of a legal standing in regards to the new contract...but that doesn't justify keeping money for work not completed from 3 people.A partial refund would be fine but after her insulting responses towards me I felt that I wouldn't be able to get a decent conversation out of her.

Funders were notified of the loss and have been understanding and I am more than thankful for this. This is a huge lesson learned.I accept any critisim on my part to help me in my dealings in the future.

[EDIT]------------

March 23, 2015

I forgot to add the final note she sent me in response to Firing Note 12

[Firing note 13]

March 25,2016 edit

Firing note 3 above has the wrong link. Correct link is below.

[Firing note 3]

March 26, 2016 update----

Peridotkitty has posted her side of this situation here and on her FA . Apparently her fiance was the one who sent the malicious notes against me (Firing note 9 and onward). Whether I believe it or not is another thing.I have discussed with my fiance the possibility of a repayment plan and she has left a message to her.

"Rook was unwilling to deal with you at all... seeing as how an apology about how you or 'your fiancee' acted at the end; I'm sure everyone here can understand why. I wonder why you didn't put those up there so your fans can have context on why he stopped communicating with you all together. But if you are serious, it isn't about paying him back, it's about taking care of the 3 funders. He is willing to let you set up a payment plan of a reasonable monthly amount to the 3 funders. You can contact me for their information. He says you can pay back one their 575 and the other their 600 for a total of 1175. And that he will settle up the remaining balance with the 3rd funder himself writing off that amount as service rendered. It's more than you've done but he's going to make a show of faith as well as responsibility. He would like you to publically keep track of the repayment to those two funders, he also wants them to get the full 600 and 575, so you would be on the hook for the transaction fee amount as well."

March 26, 2016 update 2----

Terms have been agreed to and Peridotkitty has been given the funder' pages to get their paypal information.Monthy payments are being scheduled. Although these terms have been agreed upon, I will not mark this post as resolved until both funders are completely refunded. I will be handling the 3rd funder's refund myself.

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Can i share my side now?

Date: 2016-03-26 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peridotkitty.livejournal.com
Please see the following document

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1py7MLSZdxxZzLNCz9dGSboXLtUaNGCwZ4VEZ0ToNHMw/edit?usp=sharing

Re: Can i share my side now?

Date: 2016-03-26 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayla-la.livejournal.com
Do you think you would be willing to outline your main points of disagreement with the post itself? I feel when I read 'your side', it's mostly repeating information already provided in the OP, just in a different tone of voice.

I'm just a little confused to what exactly you're refuting. You don't seem to deny that you were given money, that there were delays, that rude notes were sent (regardless of who sent them, you've condoned them), etc etc. What is it that you believe puts you in the right in this situation? I am legitimately asking if you can clear that up for me, because I don't understand.

I think the only thing I can pick up is that you went into it thinking it would be okay to take potentially years (as you've stated, you thought it was more casual than it actually was). I don't entirely understand why you would think this, and I think that's where a lot of the confusion lies.

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Date: 2016-03-26 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enn shaw (from livejournal.com)
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

Excuse my recent vulgarity, but I've never been so disgusted with an artist's blatant immaturity and total disregard for customer service.

She might as well retire and quit. There is just no recovering from this shitstorm.

Date: 2016-03-26 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nedrae.livejournal.com
I was going to say kudos for at least showing up and trying to explain your side of the story.

But, well... generally when you're in a hole this deep, the first thing you should do is _stop digging_.

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Date: 2016-03-26 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sapphistscot.livejournal.com
Can't you be banned from FA for letting someone else use your account? Especially when you outright admit you were letting that person use your account to send rude notes and don't have a problem with it.

Date: 2016-03-26 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bourbon. (from livejournal.com)
I really don't approve of how she's just accusing everyone of whiteknighting. I really don't think she gets that she is in the wrong and why.

And now she's deleting her comments here.

Date: 2016-03-26 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clockmagic.livejournal.com
The artist deleted their account, my guess is they didn't know that would happen (or maybe they did, I don't know)

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Date: 2016-03-26 09:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thejackaolf.livejournal.com
Well this turned into rather a large mess, now the artist has deleted there comments as well, Not exactly a good impression made by far.

Beware well warranted.

Date: 2016-03-26 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bamwowza.livejournal.com
I'm honestly super confused on how they can show the screenshot of Rook saying the contract will probably have to be mailed & show how THEY DIDN'T REPLY & still try to say it was Rooks fault?

this was the most insane beware to witness blow up, honestly.

MOD POST

Date: 2016-03-26 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oceandezignz.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] peridotkitty is banned. Obvious reason is obvious, but I'll lay it out here: deleting comments which is against community policy.

Sad to say this is a thing that rarely happens in our comm, and I don't understand why she felt the need to delete everything if she honestly felt her actions were the best course.

I'll be copy-pasting her comments in the appropriate threads later.

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Date: 2016-03-26 01:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-03-26 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torch-tiger.livejournal.com
Sorry you had to go through that, I hope the others get their money back.

I hate losing artists I watch, and wanted this to end well, but I've seen the way she's responding to this situation before on here and while I doubt there will be a refund, I have no doubt she will be posted here again in the future, probably multiple times.

I hate that her supporters think they are helping her, she is clearly in the wrong so the best thing to do is either help her do the right thing, or let her fall. Pretending she is in the right is just going to lead to her thinking she can do anything she wants and eventually lead to her alienating everyone, probably after taking their money and not even attempting to do the work, like a few others posted here.

Can I Share my Side now - repost

Date: 2016-03-26 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestinaketzia.livejournal.com
Cap (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/76717253/screens/canishare.png)

Text:
Please see the following document

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1py7MLSZdxxZzLNCz9dGSboXLtUaNGCwZ4VEZ0ToNHMw/edit?usp=sharing




From here on out I'll be putting comments where they were originally made.
Edited Date: 2016-03-26 01:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2016-03-26 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rayesesshyfan.livejournal.com
What a mess.

Wishing you the best of luck of getting this all sorted OP.

Comments Restored

Date: 2016-03-26 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestinaketzia.livejournal.com
All of Peridotkitty's comments have been restored.

Also since this seems to be a point of contention, please bear in mind that just because Paypal sided in her favor doesn't mean she's actually right. (We all know that.)

Take a look at Paypal's buyer protection policy (https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/paypal-safety-and-security).

Image

"Custom made goods that aren't received."

As with contacting Paypal, it all depends on the rep you get. They may have determined it was going to be a custom made good and automatically closed the case.

RE: Comments Restored

Date: 2016-03-26 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spartanwerewolf.livejournal.com
I fucking HATE this policy if theirs, btw. Regardless of whether it was ~custom made~ or not, it was a good or service purchased that was not provided. The onus shoukd be on paypal to make their users whole.

Although this was also, I believe, adult work, which may also go against OP in trying to reclaim money lost.

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Date: 2016-03-26 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uriiko.livejournal.com
dunno if this was linked yet but she posted a new submission: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/19487961/

"You did it....you 'won'"
What's there to lose? money that she didn't earn? She also posted a new journal titled "to the white knights."
doesn't seem like she learned a single thing from this in the end. getting annoyed seeing everyone claim "white knight" too lol
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Date: 2016-03-27 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachael walters (from livejournal.com)
wow...just....is she seriously going down this route instead of just refunding?!?

I hate artists that play the victim 24/7 and do this to get more pity

Date: 2016-03-26 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeshine.livejournal.com

Cringe time, when an artist comes in guns blazin', and totally tanks any chance they ever had of rectifying this professionally. I wonder what they thought calling people stupid and making callout journals would accomplish, aside from making them look worse.

I'm also in the "how did they win this dispute" group, because Paypal is notorious for siding in the buyer's favor in disputes like these.

I'm so sorry OP. Not everyone has a conscience I suppose.

Date: 2016-03-26 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lackoflollies.livejournal.com
Hoooooooooooooooly shit on a cracker.

Payment Plans

Date: 2016-03-26 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadaria.livejournal.com
I know this will get buried but I just wanted to make a note about payment plans since I've seen several people suggesting that as an option for resolution.
I used to work for a veterinary practice that offered payment plans to clients since emergency medicine can hit clients with bigger invoices than preventative care. The clinic did this for a few years prior to the recession and then when they started hemorrhaging money they brought in people to help restructure the budget.
Payment plans were the first thing to go. Almost no one paid back their bills in full. The clinic had to invest in a collections agency to try and recover funds, most of which were never recovered. Some of the indirect impact of theft of service included being unable to give long term employees raises and being unable to buy new or better medical equipment.
The worst part though was the entitlement on the part of the clients. We had a memorized spiel that basically said "We can't offer payment plans because clients never paid us back." and they would still be upset.
Most preventative care vets still offer payment plans but they are very selective. You have to be a client in good standing with them for years before they will even consider it.

So given this transaction and the artist's reaction would you trust this person to pay you back in smaller increments? Would you want to keep dealing with them for months?
I would really caution any artist from accepting payment plans unless you have a firm contract in place or can only deliver the product AFTER full payment is received.

(frozen) Re: Payment Plans

Date: 2016-03-26 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkunisha.livejournal.com
Oh god this. I used to work at a veterinary hospital and when it came to payment plans it was like pulling teeth. After awhile we only gave it those that we knew quite well and they had been long-term clients with them.

In order to do payment plans we had to get information such as driver license information, current address, everything and even then that was a 50/50. Care Credit was another thing that was offered but we never did it considering that this hospital was more so a small business with one doctor rather then multiple and even then in order to get Care Credit you had to have good credit.

I just remember when we had those clients that didn't finish paying their bill we had to get the collection agency and even then that was a whole another loop and just ughhh. Payment plans are a good idea but in the end, they are not worth the trouble in the end unless you know who they are specifically, and considering this situation that would be one of the last situations I would get into considering that there's this much trouble right now.

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Date: 2016-03-26 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragontripmon.livejournal.com
Oh wow this has got to be the worst way to go to shoot yourself in the foot artist. you could have really resolve this but the fact that you think your in the right and not respect your customer is really vile.

Date: 2016-03-26 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayla-la.livejournal.com
She claimed at one point before deleting comments and taking off that 'this was being resolved'.

Any update on discussions with her? How is that going?

Date: 2016-03-26 09:39 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2016-03-26 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tyrano-tiggs.livejournal.com


I had hoped
(http://i.imgur.com/bDTBcnM.jpg) that since her mass deletion spree and pity party submission she would at least have acknowledged by now that she doesn't have to say the exact words 'I agree' to accept a contract.
Peridot, you said the contract was fair, you didn't dispute any part, you accepted a massive payment and began work. I'm incredibly sorry to disappoint you but yes, you DID accept the contract.
Or did you really think Rock just sent you a large sum of cash as a goodwill donation?

Date: 2016-03-26 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lavenderpandy.livejournal.com
Hey guys, Rook's fiance here. Rook has sent me to discuss our terms with Peridotkitty which are more than fair in this situation.

The terms left on her journal( Also added to the post)

"Rook was unwilling to deal with you at all... seeing as how an apology about how you or 'your fiancee' acted at the end; I'm sure everyone here can understand why. I wonder why you didn't put those up there so your fans can have context on why he stopped communicating with you all together. But if you are serious, it isn't about paying him back, it's about taking care of the 3 funders. He is willing to let you set up a payment plan of a reasonable monthly amount to the 3 funders. You can contact me for their information. He says you can pay back one their 575 and the other their 600 for a total of 1175. And that he will settle up the remaining balance with the 3rd funder himself writing off that amount as service rendered. It's more than you've done but he's going to make a show of faith as well as responsibility. He would like you to publicly keep track of the repayment to those two funders, he also wants them to get the full 600 and 575, so you would be on the hook for the transaction fee amount as well."

Peridotkitty has agreed to these terms and being sent the funders' information.
The beware will not be marked as resolved until their refund is completely returned.


Date: 2016-03-26 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayla-la.livejournal.com
Thank you for the update, it's nice to hear that things seem to be going forward. Please let us know if anything else happens, good or bad! We would like anyone who reads this post to have full context.

It's a shame that she still refuses to admit fault, as that and her terrible behaviour will stick with most people far more than the original mistakes, at this point. But something is still better than nothing. Though I agree that Rook is being incredibly generous in letting her keep a fair chunk of the money for work he can't actually use.

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Wow...

Date: 2016-03-27 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kell0x.livejournal.com
You know Peridot was on my list of artist I wanted to commission at one point in the future but after reading this, nope.

I also don't find it fair that friends of Peridiot are apparently blaming Art Beware and the OP for getting harassment comments on their personal page, (don't get me wrong, trolling harassing is dead wrong Artist Beware never supported that from the start.)

But they seem to turn a blind eye to the fact Peridot is mocking and insulting the OP and some users related to this article? How hypocritical. I also don't buy the whole ''My boyfriend send the notes'' thing. I am sorry but I find it a little hard to believe a long time artist like Peridot who has done businesses before would have let this happened. It just seems like an excuse to safe face from her reputation being ruined further with someone that will easily vouch for her. I was interested to read her part of the story but all of the comments seem to have been deleted (?) but from what I can tell from the replies it doesn't seem too remorseful so I am not impressed. Unless she publicly apologizes for her behavior, to the OP to the funders and pay back the refund bit by bit.

Anyway sorry that you have to deal with this OP. I wish you all the luck.

Re: Wow...

Date: 2016-03-27 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistresswolf.livejournal.com
"I also don't buy the whole ''My boyfriend send the notes'' thing"

Yeah, it is like I see on forums a lot with teenagers... they troll and do stupid things and then when caught all of a sudden it is "Oh, I am so sorry, I went to the kitchen and my little brother got on the computer and said all that!" ... Not believable at all.

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Date: 2016-03-27 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] summercucumber.livejournal.com
It's always a shame seeing talented artists destroy their own reputations like this. She's claiming that OP's sending their 'white knights' to harass her, yet the majority of the people I've seen posting have been her own watchers (including myself) urging her to do what's right and so she can move on and learn from her mistakes, yet she pushes us all away and continues to insist that she's done nothing wrong. I personally don't buy the fiance excuse, it's been used far too many times. If there was another person posting, why aren't they here to speak up and explain themselves? And even if it was a loved one who was the source of the rudeness, why were they even allowed to touch her account considering there could have been private information from commissioners present?

MOD COMMENT

Date: 2016-03-27 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayla-la.livejournal.com
I wanted to post a general reminder to refresh everyone on rule number 2:

2. Whatever happens in the community, stays within the community. Do not go to the offender's LJ or art site account and harass them, or contact them any other way if the matter under discussion does not regard you personally. THIS COULD GET YOU IMMEDIATELY BANNED!

We haven't been handing out warnings because many of the people who have commented to her appear to have been people already watching her or having come into it via her own postings. It's made it extremely difficult if not impossible to know if anyone is coming directly from the AB post itself.

This is not a free-for-all and this rule still applies. If you come across this post, do not go over there and comment. We realize we can't control people in the end, but it is a rule and it is for everyone's sake.

Date: 2016-03-27 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nedrae.livejournal.com
She might just be too far gone now.

https://i.imgur.com/9064plB.png

I get blocking people for being mean or aggressive. I don't justify it, but I understand it. But blocking people just because they disagree with you, and not even in a rude way?

Of course, since then the last comment has also been hidden by her.

And again, back to the "no their proof was wrong, I just had no chance to disprove it" spiel.

Date: 2016-03-27 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayla-la.livejournal.com
I think what bothers me is that she's not even just blocking/hiding comments from anyone/everyone who's being rude. If someone's being nasty for her side she leaves it up. It says a lot about her to me.

I completely agree that nobody should be attacking her, mind you. That doesn't help anything. It just rubs me the wrong way that she's okay with attacking as long as it's her fans attacking people for her. But I guess I'm not too surprised, since she was okay with her SO being nasty for her sake too.

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Date: 2016-03-28 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bourbon. (from livejournal.com)
I tried to tell her that hiding people's comments wasn't helping the situation, and she claims it's to stop arguments from happening.

Here's a screenshot, in case she hides our conversation:
http://i.imgur.com/8gqxjNe.png

Date: 2016-03-28 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sonatine-artsu.livejournal.com
She is still in denial unfortunately. I guess no one can really help her at this point unless she decides to change her attitude. :/

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Date: 2016-03-28 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottalottosay.livejournal.com
Even if her mate did send the notes, she is still responsible for it. FurAffinity's Terms of Service states "If someone other than you uses your account you're liable for whatever they say or do.". Also, the Code of Conduct says "Do not threat anyone." and "Do not harass others." Even if these weren't rules, I would still hold Peridotkitty responsible for those rude notes because her mate shouldn't have access to her account, anyway. Commissioners send private information and things they don't want other people to know to artists they want to commission, such as their email address, and occasionally their name and house address. Even if she doesn't have any private information from her commissioners, Peridotkitty's mate sending rude messages from her account reflects bad on both her mate as well as herself. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think she or her mate has even apologized for this yet.
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Date: 2016-03-28 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torch-tiger.livejournal.com
One of her defenders commented that she had already apologized, but everything I've seen from Peridotkitty herself has said that she has nothing to apologize for and that Rook and them should apologize to her. So it would be nice to know if she apologized and if so did it seem genuine.

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