http://carnivaldog.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] carnivaldog.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] artists_beware2009-03-31 03:39 pm

Fed up with Seux

A few months ago, I agreed to take a collaboration commission with Seux a.k.a. Zeriara. At the time, we were on good terms, but after visiting her for 2 weeks and finding out a great deal about her true character and the kind of person she really is, I could not abide to continue with the collaboration. During my visit, I witnessed her spending her money frivolously, rather than using it to pay bills as she led people on FurAffinity to believe when she accepted commissions and donations.

After seeing this, and that she had no obvious remorse whatsoever for misleading so many people, I couldn't stand to have my art be associated with hers. The person who had commissioned us was OmbyShadow, so I contacted her via FA notes, to let her know that due to personal issues with Seux, I could not continue the collab. We were both given $100, $200 total, to draw a two character colored image. I told Omby that I would give her a real media commission, colored, with 2 characters, for the $100 I received, and that she could contact Seux in order to work out what she would be willing to do to compensate for the $100 she received.

A great deal of time went by before Omby noted me again, telling me that despite many attempts to contact Seux, she was being ignored. I apologized profusely to her for the trouble, and to see if she could try again once more to contact Seux. Soon after, Seux made a shout on my adult gallery, telling me Omby wanted the collab, in public, as if to try and make me look bad and that I was neglecting the commissioner or something along those lines. I reiterated to her that I refused to have anything to do with her, and that I had already worked out with Omby what I was going to do for the $100 I was given, and that she needed to do the same. She responded by saying she didn't want to do more work for Omby, and that it would be easier to just get the collab over and done with. That may be, I understand maybe I'm being the difficult one here, but my feelings against Seux and everything she stands for is far stronger than my desire to make things "easier" or more convenient for her. I would rather that Omby gets more art that's actually worth the $200 she paid, because I really don't feel that a collab between Seux and I, for only 2 characters, is worth that.

From then on, Omby and Seux noted each other, as Omby tried to work out with her what she would draw for the $100 she was given. Seux absolutely and completely refused to cooperate, told Omby to report -me- on Artists_Beware, and that she was "paid to do a collab, and if that's off, it isn't her fault and she doesn't have time to hand out FREE ART. When Omby alerted me to what Seux said, I was honestly immensely confused and frustrated. I told Omby that since Seux refused to do anything for what she was paid, then I would pick up the slack and do another two character colored commission for her, so that her money wasn't simply wasted.

However, Seux is still getting away with $100 she did nothing for. To my knowledge, she sent the inked version of one character and refused to do anything else. I don't know about anyone else, but a single character inked piece is NOT worth $100 in my book.

If Omby can come forward with screencaps of her conversations with Seux, then I would definitely invite her to share them here, to show how rudely she was treated despite the fact she has been nothing but patient and kind toward the both of us.

I also want to invite anyone who has had a bad commission experience with Seux to say something here, since I know for a fact there are a staggering amount of people whose commissions from her have been "lost in the mail" to the point that it obviously is not the case, and I know there are people out there who haven't received art from her at all even though they paid, either with a similar excuse, or no explanation at all. People need to be able to see this and know exactly what they're getting themselves into and the risk they're taking by commissioning Seux. They may get their art without a hitch, or they may never get what they paid for. Personally, I feel that the people of this community should be able to see these experiences for themselves so they can weigh the odds before they take a chance on her.

[identity profile] zoom-gas.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Commissioned her for a 15 dollah colored headshot last year (around the summer, I think?), making it relatively clear I wanted the final piece mailed.
WEeeelll She did a sketch for it, uploaded it to her gallery, and was like I DREW THIS IN MY NEW SKETCHBOOK
Somewhere else on her FA she'd referred to the sketchbook and mentioned how she refused to tear any pages out of it.
I noted her and Reminded her that I wanted to own the commissioned piece, and offered to pay extra to have it removed from the sketchbook.
She apologized profuseley and said she'd re-do it on a loose piece of paper.
She never did, (I gave her the benefit of the doubt, people get busy, you know?) and in that time (around January) I found out she had some kind of nonsensical hate-boner for me (who DOESN'T she have some kind of vendetta against?? haha) and decided that, HEY, she never finished my commission, I want my money back. She did the sketch so I was cool with letting her keep the money for that, even if I didn't get the hard-copy, but I still wanted the money that would have gone towards inking and coloring back, and she refused. I need to go through my logs and get caps.
SO YEAH That is my ZER STORY. Man I feel like an official furry now. Where's my membership card?

[identity profile] hellebore.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Ok I'm probably the only one who thinks this but maybe posting these here were a bit off topic and more so flat out bashing?

[identity profile] hellebore.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
was it a knockaround badge?

[identity profile] eenyuwolf.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, I think I got the last slot of her last round of them. I have yet to see a sketch. Though now I am a little worried seeing that those who have seen them finished still don't have them.

[identity profile] sorethumb.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
So,
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/657332/
, posted three weeks ago,
corresponds to a post posted a bit less than a year ago, which is now MIA?

[identity profile] hellebore.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
I've read the journal, I'm talking about problems getting commissions shipped out. I've brought this up a few times in a few posts here.

[identity profile] laneypanda.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Somewhere else on her FA she'd referred to the sketchbook and mentioned how she refused to tear any pages out of it.

To steal the idea later, methinks?

[identity profile] shadow-coon.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
It seems like every time I'm beginning to consider commissioning Zer when she opens slots, I see a post here that acts as a "Woah, hold on now..." for me.

While I've never had any experience, positive or negative, with her, I have seen dozens of horror stories about how she treats her commissioners, many of which were posted in another Zer warning that was made here in artists_beware a couple of months ago (which seems to have been deleted, oddly enough). You can get away with the "it got lost in the mail" excuse once or twice, but when it reaches the point that it might as well be your commission slogan, like in her case, people stop believing it.

I felt a ting of sympathy towards her after reading her long-ass journal about the whole "Panda being forced to flee the state because her mother is an insane drunkard," but when I see things like this, particularly ones in which people are able to describe her behavior and attitude from first-person experience, I can't help but think that she and Panda made the whole thing up and are riding a "lol-ocoster" over all of the "gullible furfags" that bought the story and sent money.

[identity profile] lizbeast.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
This. I know I'm a friend of hers and might be biased but I'm not at all surprised that "post stories of when Zer gipped you on art" immediately goes to "HOLLY IS SUCH A DRAMAWHORE SHE EATS BABIES AND ARARARRR *SCREENCAPSSS*"

[identity profile] lastres0rt.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
No opinion on this, but... the girl has her own ED article already (and has for some time), and if someone really wanted to, they could put it there.

At least here it gets forgotten after a while, right?

[identity profile] lastres0rt.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
... I hear enough horror stories from my sister freaking out over any changes to eBay's rating system that could possibly mar her 100% positive rating, and all she does is list + pack + ship other people's merchandise.

Lord knows what a similar system would do to people that make custom work and need actual time to make the items involved first.

[identity profile] shadow-coon.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
I think that part of the reason for why the screencaps were posted was to demonstrate Zer's general attitude towards her commissioners and the way she handles commissions.

I'm sure that part of it was to poke fun at her, but the message I got from it was "this is to just let you guys know that, as far as she's concerned, you, your money (that she probably spends immediately after receiving), and the art she owes you rank incredibly low in her list of priorities."

[identity profile] industrialwolf.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
^^^This.

The drawing posted after the screengrabs is just 'funny', mods or I can delete if people want.

The screengrabs themselves show the attitude of someone you don't want to commission. X_Thor's story was, she asked Zer for an update on her commissions several months after they were 'due', and Zer responded with the screencapped journal entry.

[identity profile] industrialwolf.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
Nope. Check x_Thor's story + attitude shown in the screengrabs after.

The drawing posted was my own ridiculousness made a year or so ago. I can delete that post if mods/OP/you request.

No claims of baby eating here.

[identity profile] industrialwolf.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
Drawing is. Screencaps show her poor attitude in handling commissions/commissioners.

I can delete the drawing post if mods/OP/you request

[identity profile] x-thor.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
I think this is a good example of how Zer treats commissions/customers.

[identity profile] iluvhistory.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 05:10 am (UTC)(link)
You're also the Liz that is 120% important, are you not?

[identity profile] oceandezignz.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
... wow. Just... wow. May I repeat the statement of "why [the fuck] are people buying from this person still"???

[identity profile] rexxwolfe.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
The Anti Drama lama movement removed Seux from the charity raffle because of too much drama and scandal. Its terrible people like these cause people to close their hearts when someone genuine needs help.

[identity profile] jademare.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. Just wow. That's stupidity in it's highest form. I'm shocked she treats her commissioners that way. K, staying away from her now. Thanks for the warning.

I had to lol at those screens posted in the comments above though. Holy shit. XD I find her excuses for not getting her commissions done absolutely laughable.

First of all, even a slacker like me knows that if you
1. Have a full time job
2. Have more going on IRL than you do on the internet
3. Don't think you can put the time and effort needed into it

Then...
*LE GASP*
DON'T TAKE COMMISSIONS.
And if you do, don't bitch at your commissioners for trying to contact you. Instead, finish what you promised you would. Because by taking a commission, that's exactly what you're doing, making a promise. You have NO place to bitch if someone reminds you or calls you out.

I'm sorry, but just...wow. I can see where commission money might come in handy in paying rent and all, but honestly. I don't see how, in good conscience, she can treat her commissioners that way.

[identity profile] lizbeast.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
That's me! :D

That was also three years ago. We don't talk much any more. I just disapprove of drama-mongering for the sake of... mongering.

[identity profile] anuvia.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
This is the person that runs around saying that she hates the furry fandom, blahblah and stays to take money from "suckers".

In addition to that, she makes up BULLSHIT stories about getting kicked out and this and that. Apparently her lover was just kicked out of the house by her abusive, druggie parents that threaten to kill her pets. Her reaction: Get people to organize a charity auction and then Beg for money and then draw self indulgent watchmen porn. Now, according to her, the friend that was living with her is homeless and she's too -poor- to help out or move out of the house herself. After reading this, I completely believe she's a conniving piece of filth. I'm going to be linking this journal and others here on Artists Beware to FurAffinity's owner, Dragoneer and see if he can put an ed to this bullshit like he had done with Allan.

Thanks for posting this.

[identity profile] katze-neko-mew.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
LOL I was reading your reply and was all 'hmm, this sounds like someone I know...' and then I looked at you avatar, thought it was 'Nuka, then saw it was you XD

Anyway, I was 'introduced' to Zer/Seux a year and a half back when ShenTao complained about her. I couldn't find anything about her online, so on a hunch I looked on ED, and boy howdy.

Now, while the girl has talent, its wasted on her. She can spit out 30 pieces of FANART for her un-countable fancharacter fandoms, but I have yet to see much of what people commission from her on FA.

Jello says she's not hard to work with, but those $15 chibis that used to be crap ass head shots last month? Yeah...so not worth $15 no matter what you do. I was afraid to tell her not to waster that much money, but she's a big girl, and, while she DID get what she commissioned, I wasn't impressed.

AAAAAAAAND it seems she's since completely purged her gallery of anything post Watchmen. Wow. That's...retarded.

[identity profile] alcyione.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
She purges everything every couple of weeks. This is nothing new for her.

[identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com 2009-04-01 08:59 am (UTC)(link)
Buhwha?

If anyone threatened to off my pets I'd cut them off at the pass and they'd end up face-down in a ditch somewhere.

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