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artists_beware2009-03-31 03:39 pm
carnivaldog.livejournal.com) wrote in artists_beware2009-03-31 03:39 pm
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Fed up with Seux
A few months ago, I agreed to take a collaboration commission with Seux a.k.a. Zeriara. At the time, we were on good terms, but after visiting her for 2 weeks and finding out a great deal about her true character and the kind of person she really is, I could not abide to continue with the collaboration. During my visit, I witnessed her spending her money frivolously, rather than using it to pay bills as she led people on FurAffinity to believe when she accepted commissions and donations.
After seeing this, and that she had no obvious remorse whatsoever for misleading so many people, I couldn't stand to have my art be associated with hers. The person who had commissioned us was OmbyShadow, so I contacted her via FA notes, to let her know that due to personal issues with Seux, I could not continue the collab. We were both given $100, $200 total, to draw a two character colored image. I told Omby that I would give her a real media commission, colored, with 2 characters, for the $100 I received, and that she could contact Seux in order to work out what she would be willing to do to compensate for the $100 she received.
A great deal of time went by before Omby noted me again, telling me that despite many attempts to contact Seux, she was being ignored. I apologized profusely to her for the trouble, and to see if she could try again once more to contact Seux. Soon after, Seux made a shout on my adult gallery, telling me Omby wanted the collab, in public, as if to try and make me look bad and that I was neglecting the commissioner or something along those lines. I reiterated to her that I refused to have anything to do with her, and that I had already worked out with Omby what I was going to do for the $100 I was given, and that she needed to do the same. She responded by saying she didn't want to do more work for Omby, and that it would be easier to just get the collab over and done with. That may be, I understand maybe I'm being the difficult one here, but my feelings against Seux and everything she stands for is far stronger than my desire to make things "easier" or more convenient for her. I would rather that Omby gets more art that's actually worth the $200 she paid, because I really don't feel that a collab between Seux and I, for only 2 characters, is worth that.
From then on, Omby and Seux noted each other, as Omby tried to work out with her what she would draw for the $100 she was given. Seux absolutely and completely refused to cooperate, told Omby to report -me- on Artists_Beware, and that she was "paid to do a collab, and if that's off, it isn't her fault and she doesn't have time to hand out FREE ART. When Omby alerted me to what Seux said, I was honestly immensely confused and frustrated. I told Omby that since Seux refused to do anything for what she was paid, then I would pick up the slack and do another two character colored commission for her, so that her money wasn't simply wasted.
However, Seux is still getting away with $100 she did nothing for. To my knowledge, she sent the inked version of one character and refused to do anything else. I don't know about anyone else, but a single character inked piece is NOT worth $100 in my book.
If Omby can come forward with screencaps of her conversations with Seux, then I would definitely invite her to share them here, to show how rudely she was treated despite the fact she has been nothing but patient and kind toward the both of us.
I also want to invite anyone who has had a bad commission experience with Seux to say something here, since I know for a fact there are a staggering amount of people whose commissions from her have been "lost in the mail" to the point that it obviously is not the case, and I know there are people out there who haven't received art from her at all even though they paid, either with a similar excuse, or no explanation at all. People need to be able to see this and know exactly what they're getting themselves into and the risk they're taking by commissioning Seux. They may get their art without a hitch, or they may never get what they paid for. Personally, I feel that the people of this community should be able to see these experiences for themselves so they can weigh the odds before they take a chance on her.
After seeing this, and that she had no obvious remorse whatsoever for misleading so many people, I couldn't stand to have my art be associated with hers. The person who had commissioned us was OmbyShadow, so I contacted her via FA notes, to let her know that due to personal issues with Seux, I could not continue the collab. We were both given $100, $200 total, to draw a two character colored image. I told Omby that I would give her a real media commission, colored, with 2 characters, for the $100 I received, and that she could contact Seux in order to work out what she would be willing to do to compensate for the $100 she received.
A great deal of time went by before Omby noted me again, telling me that despite many attempts to contact Seux, she was being ignored. I apologized profusely to her for the trouble, and to see if she could try again once more to contact Seux. Soon after, Seux made a shout on my adult gallery, telling me Omby wanted the collab, in public, as if to try and make me look bad and that I was neglecting the commissioner or something along those lines. I reiterated to her that I refused to have anything to do with her, and that I had already worked out with Omby what I was going to do for the $100 I was given, and that she needed to do the same. She responded by saying she didn't want to do more work for Omby, and that it would be easier to just get the collab over and done with. That may be, I understand maybe I'm being the difficult one here, but my feelings against Seux and everything she stands for is far stronger than my desire to make things "easier" or more convenient for her. I would rather that Omby gets more art that's actually worth the $200 she paid, because I really don't feel that a collab between Seux and I, for only 2 characters, is worth that.
From then on, Omby and Seux noted each other, as Omby tried to work out with her what she would draw for the $100 she was given. Seux absolutely and completely refused to cooperate, told Omby to report -me- on Artists_Beware, and that she was "paid to do a collab, and if that's off, it isn't her fault and she doesn't have time to hand out FREE ART. When Omby alerted me to what Seux said, I was honestly immensely confused and frustrated. I told Omby that since Seux refused to do anything for what she was paid, then I would pick up the slack and do another two character colored commission for her, so that her money wasn't simply wasted.
However, Seux is still getting away with $100 she did nothing for. To my knowledge, she sent the inked version of one character and refused to do anything else. I don't know about anyone else, but a single character inked piece is NOT worth $100 in my book.
If Omby can come forward with screencaps of her conversations with Seux, then I would definitely invite her to share them here, to show how rudely she was treated despite the fact she has been nothing but patient and kind toward the both of us.
I also want to invite anyone who has had a bad commission experience with Seux to say something here, since I know for a fact there are a staggering amount of people whose commissions from her have been "lost in the mail" to the point that it obviously is not the case, and I know there are people out there who haven't received art from her at all even though they paid, either with a similar excuse, or no explanation at all. People need to be able to see this and know exactly what they're getting themselves into and the risk they're taking by commissioning Seux. They may get their art without a hitch, or they may never get what they paid for. Personally, I feel that the people of this community should be able to see these experiences for themselves so they can weigh the odds before they take a chance on her.
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Though - I think what really polished it off was the drawing you did in response.
I CANT BELIEVE HOW MUCH TIME SLEEP IM MISSING TELL YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES HOW MUCH SLEEP IM MISSING!
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The drawing posted was my own ridiculousness made a year or so ago. I can delete that post if mods/OP/you request.
No claims of baby eating here.
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That was also three years ago. We don't talk much any more. I just disapprove of drama-mongering for the sake of... mongering.
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(And I only mentioned this because I know industrial_wolf used to own/mod the wankfest that was the Zeriara fanclub comm)
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That said, with where we all find ourselves now (discovering actual animal abuse and swindling of money for drugs/frivolous spending), while many 'nit-picking' things in that club were out of line, our collective 'fascination' with Zer over the years is obviously justified. She has always been the drama-inducing psychopath that this post finally ousts her to be.
I fully understand your (and possibly others') perception of my 'reputation', but before jumping to conclusions try taking a look at what you're actually replying to/about.
Again, the screenshots I posted here show Zer's poor attitude toward commissioners/commissions, and open mockery of commissioners for asking on progress for art they paid for months and months ago. The screenshots directly support what this post is about.
The drawing after was mainly for x_thor. If you, the OP or anyone else feels that is irrelevant or detrimental to our current discussion, myself or a mod can delete that comment, very simple.
Several, several months ago I decided to completely wipe my hands clean of the whole Zer debacle not only because the same issues popping up again and again were boring and disgusting, but because I was tired of people like you pin-pointing me for things you all have done, participated in and contributed to. I've only come out of the woodwork again now to watch this saga draw to a close and offer any insights I can from my past involvement.
That's it. If you or anyone otherwise has personal issues with me, my contact info is in various places on the net.
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As for the community, I'm glad you've washed your hands of it but the fact remains that you maintained/modded the comm and posted in it frequently, thus perpetuating that kind of nitpicking harassment. So, you're always going to be associated with the drama from my perspective :1
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'Perspective' can be a very limiting thing. It's good to refresh what you really know about people and what is really going on.
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The screengrabs are quite pertinent.
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At least here it gets forgotten after a while, right?
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I'm sure that part of it was to poke fun at her, but the message I got from it was "this is to just let you guys know that, as far as she's concerned, you, your money (that she probably spends immediately after receiving), and the art she owes you rank incredibly low in her list of priorities."
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The drawing posted after the screengrabs is just 'funny', mods or I can delete if people want.
The screengrabs themselves show the attitude of someone you don't want to commission. X_Thor's story was, she asked Zer for an update on her commissions several months after they were 'due', and Zer responded with the screencapped journal entry.
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I can delete the drawing post if mods/OP/you request