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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

WHO: absinthe stellary

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/stellary/

WHAT: 4 full colour, fullbody pictures (1 is completed) and 1 flat colour bust. traded for 2 shirts totalling 42 dollars.

WHEN: Originally commissioned June 2011, problems started 3 months later.

PROOF: http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk7/fowolf321/?action=view&current=page1.png

http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk7/fowolf321/?action=view&current=page2.png

http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk7/fowolf321/?action=view&current=page3.png


EXPLAIN: Commissioned her, at the time her paypal account was closed. So we traded art for shirts. She is great to deal with right up untill she gets paid. Then the real fun begins. She has already stated many times that she does not care about artist beware as it paints an unfair picture of her. Well, I suggest to anyone reading this, dont fall for it. Find another artist!


Edit: I have since been put on her block list on FA, so looks like my refund or art will be quickly coming........
Edit: hmm, not sure what this giant space down here is about, I can not delete it......

Comments

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Hi! I approved this, but could you please remove the large blank space in the entry at the bottom?

[genkigami.livejournal.com]

Good luck. She's got the worst attitude I've ever seen from an artist. Check her tag and you'll see a history of her screaming, throwing fits, and one instance of telling her commissioner to "die in a car fire" I believe.

[tunavoice.livejournal.com]

My god, AGAIN?

This is just getting really bad. Good luck getting your refund, OP. I'm very sorry you have to deal with this.

I'm surprised people are still bothering to commission this artist, as she has displayed some of the worst behavior I've ever seen.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

This is...what the fifth time she's been posted here? She's turning into Starfinder.

Honestly, it's pretty saddening because she used to be so much better about this. I really think she just has one of those "TROLOLOLOL" attitudes in dealing with people and she knows she can get away with it because of having good art and a highly unique style. I also think she gets herself into serious art ruts and blocks, but keeps taking on commissions, which is hurting her more than helping.

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[taasla.livejournal.com]

Looking at the source code, there doesn't appear to be anything there to delete. It's like a weird glitch.

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[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

I had figured what had happened was that the OP used the rich text editor and it just kept it every time he hit enter as blank space. The rich text editor is super buggy on LJ for some reason.

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[leahtaur.livejournal.com]

I just want to say that I am NOT defending Stellary or her behaviour whatsoever, not a bit, that is some of the most unprofessional whining I've seen, BUT...

Assuming she wasn't lying about her father dying and having to attend his funeral, I think you were quite cruel to her when she told you she needed to take some time out for that and you threw back at her something like, "your personal life doesn't matter to me, this is business." (Sorry, too lazy to find that line again to quote it exactly.)

If we pretend this was another artist that had acted perfectly towards you other than a delay due to their father's death, your reply would be considered heartless, and I feel that though obviously Stellary is wretched to work with, there is still no excuse to sink to her level or be goaded by her attitude into telling her you don't care her father died. Yes, business is business, but you are dealing with a human being and not a robot, and a parent dying is just cause for a delay.

Now, the rest of the delay/attitude/general unprofessional behaviour? No excuse. Certainly not all of it can be attributed to family events. But that one little comment of yours stood out to me in a big way and I think you could afford to show a little more empathy next time.

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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

the problem is not in the one excuse, this was about the 4rth or 5th she tried. And I am sorry, many artists don't use the death of a family member to delay art by a YEAR.

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[tunavoice.livejournal.com]

It's understandable that your patience ran out. But giving her that sort of treatment was unacceptable to begin with, ESPECIALLY with a close family member dying. Like Leahtaur said, the reply would definitely be considered out of line to an artist that acted kind and professionally toward you. You have a right to feel the way you do, but you could have handled the situation in a much better way.

In her defense, while Absinthe/Stellary didn't act professional, she's still a person with emotions. Artists have to work to create their paid commissions; they don't just magically appear. A death in the family isn't something everyone can get over quickly. Some cope better than others, and it can cause delays.

Your response to Leahtaur isn't really helping your case, either. A year is a long time to wait, yeah, but you came/are coming off as aggressive, and that could make artists not want to work with you even if they had a quick turnaround. Some of your notes had a lot of nasty responses, IMO, and the wording could have been handled a lot better.

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[taasla.livejournal.com]

Everything here. Reading the responses from the OP to Stellary makes me scared to work with the OP ever. If either one of my parents died, I don't think I'd work on art again for a very long time.

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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

If my father died right now, you would not care.....
If your father died right now, I would not care.....

Throwing the death in my face as an excuse for such a huge delay is complete BS, and just that, an excuse, not a reason. a week or two, sure, 4 months? no.


I am not hiding anything, or trying to make myself look good, just letting the community know. Hopefully save others from having to deal with this.

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[tunavoice.livejournal.com]

Uh, wow. That response was super uncalled for.

Yeah, I would care. I would care enough to offer condolences and support. Even to someone I don't know, because losing a family member, especially one you're close to, sucks.

It isn't complete BS, if I had a death in the family, I wouldn't be able to work for a long time, and would refund my commissioners. Stellary should have done the same but her delays are understandable if that was the reason.

Nice to know you have absolutely no empathy for who you are working with. BIG red flag there, and I'll be avoiding you like the plague.

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[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

Not to butt into this conversation (and this isn't directed at Taasla or anyone in particular, but a generality), but don't many of you say that an artist's personal life should not impact their business and call it "pity partying" and "pandering for sympathy" when something does come up? I can understand where the OP is coming from by saying that this is business, I don't think people outside of the fandom would be given such an easy time. Especially if her dad died last September, that's quite a few months from then till now.

I realize I delay work myself at times, but I'm just stating that I can see where the OP might be coming from.

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[leahtaur.livejournal.com]

Did you read what I said? "Now, the rest of the delay/attitude/general unprofessional behaviour? No excuse. Certainly not all of it can be attributed to family events."

Two wrongs don't make a right.

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[leahtaur.livejournal.com]

Agreed.

(And to take it a step further -- even if you truly don't care for some random person on the internet and their family, you can at least express condolences and not mean it, but sound like you do. It's one of those things you do to get by in polite society, like automatic pleases and thank yous, and I see no reason people can't do the same over the internet.)

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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

this.

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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

if i walk into a store, the owner goes my 'father died last week.' I think 'wow thats random', I say, 'Sorry to hear that'. then I still buy my shirt. this is no different.

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[taasla.livejournal.com]

Speaking as a customer more so than as an artist, when you get into a fandom where an artist is "closer" in a way to their clients than the industry. When someone says their family member has died, it's a bit more different than "My life is busy!".

Other jobs allow leave for the loss of family members. I know Stellary has a bad history of things, and a year *is* a long time to have someone waiting, but the OP's way of responding her was just... scary. Not to mention the way he's responding here. Four months for four full colors? (That's the time frame they keep bringing up, even though it has been a year.) Come on.

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[taasla.livejournal.com]

Except the shirt is premade. You're buying someone's services.

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[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

yeah, I in no way agree with the OPs way of responding. I just thought the turn about in thought was a little strange. I think 4 months for 4 full colors isn't THAT terrible a wait, since artists have other clients to juggle during that period.

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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

my example has nothing to do with the shirt...... i give up. the thread is a bit off topic now. lets try to keep it on track.

If stellary wants to make a post about me, she is more then welcome to.

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[tunavoice.livejournal.com]

Actually, it is different.

When you're commissioning someone you're likely to be talking to them on a more personal level, as you're approaching them for the work you want done. It's not pre-made, it is CUSTOM made for YOU, the commissioner. You're hiring their services to create something from scratch. Hence you will have to communicate beyond a "hi, how are you?" and a "have a nice day." You have to be descriptive.

You're not in a shop, you're on a computer talking one-on-one to an artist. The aspect of buying and completing the transaction is no different, but the level of communication is.

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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

its a year, I was told it would take a month or two. and many other commissions have been taken and completed since mine.

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[taasla.livejournal.com]

I don't think anyone's going to disagree with you that is a very long time to wait. Unfortunately, Stellary does have a history of this. I hope you do get your refund out of this, though, one way or another. Regardless of opinions on how you handled yourself, that's still a lot of money to be out and I definitely sympathize.

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[foxwolf321.livejournal.com]

its not so much about the money, as the principle of the matter. Hopefully I get my money back and save a few other people from loosing money with her.