artists_beware | BEWARE

WHO: Zorax89, frostybiggens

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/zorax89/ , http://frostybiggens.deviantart.com/

WHAT: Icon Commission

WHEN: December 18th and February 23rd

PROOF: 1st case in December, final note containing whole conversion. His replies are red boxed since Fa's quote system doesn't work.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89ab.png

Sudden notes that I received February 23rd.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89abDA1.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89abDA2.png

Proof they are indeed the same person since his fa and da do not link to each other, not does his da have any of his art.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/zorax89abDA3.png

EXPLAIN: 1st I’ll say, in the da notes, the quote he’s taking from me is from here - ~~http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3993478/, a rant journal i posted months after the ordeal with him~~ edit: Journal was deleted but screencap is here -https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25869904/AB/rantjournal.png , also the date was a month before he commissioned me, i saw the date wrong , and that had nothing to do with him. I had seen my friends being bothered about postings journals, been bothered on DA with a crit on a work I didn't ask for crits on (i was already in a bad mood and it was just plain rude) who I flagged as spam and don’t even remember their name, and various other drama things that had bothered me that day.

In my rules that are directly located in my commissions journal, I have it where I do not accept as refs or draw any mature art. That’s just how it is, and I’ve yet to have any issues with commissioners finding a clean ref or censoring them enough for me to use. I do not turn off the mature block so even if they try, I can't see it. I know other artists who also don’t do mature art and prefer nonmature refs. I make a very GOOD living just drawing as I’m comfortable. After the banter in the fa note, I ended up blocking him and leaving it at that. I didn’t post anything about it, I whined a bit to a friend, but what was about it. I moved on, whatever. Not every customer is the greatest.

Then on February 23rd, I saw I had received a note on my DA from someone i didn't recognize. they didn't say who they were, even after i said i didn’t know who they were, and you can see the conversion. I got very aggravated as you can tell at the sudden assault from some unknown person who apparently had a grudge against me. at this point, I remembered, I’ve only ever blocked ONE person on FA. that was zorax89 in order to end the conversion and prevent them from future messages. I checked their DA only to see no useful info what so ever, and none on his FA that linked back to the DA. then i decided to try my luck with the journals, and if there was nothing, I’d just leave it be as some random persons rant. unfortunately, I found the above journals posting of his birthday, both on the same day. they were indeed the same person, attacking me months afterward.

This is NOT a commissioner you want, and I’m glad I didn’t take his second commission. And I will not let it simply end with him attacking me and walking away. I've also recieved word that this isn't the 1st case of him harassing artists, and will update this post as screencaps and information come to me.

Current Mood: Annoyed

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There was a comment here saying she spends money before she finishes the commissions?

Oh, hi.

Actually, I said "I'm assuming that's why that's there" in which she corrected me. Either way, denying a refund to a client is illegal.

And it shouldn't be a random passerby's job to become friends with someone or get to know how "really sweet they are". Most people are going to make their first impression on what they see. If they see a rant journal full of victim blaming (don't EVEN try to justify that one to me, it's still victim blaming), cursing, and all sorts of foul language, it doesn't bode well.

With that said, the OP was doing well speaking for herself without you coming in charging.

I didn't come in charging or else I would be extremely offensive such as other instances have been.

I was defending a friend as at first, she didn't understand how A_B worked.
Creating rude assumptions and such was unnecessary and uncalled for as such, and you're well aware from your obviously passive aggressive comment back toward me.

The journal was four months old, which is obviously on the page that it was such and she, as a person has changed.
She's not denied ANYONE a refund, so much as now she has clarified on her TOS what she does in case a refund is necessary, it was vague and with my help has been changed to suit a more professional standard.

I understand what a first impression is, and that's fine and dandy, but the double sided beware is not well warranted without more research being done. A single journal has never been enough to make here on A_B without several instances, so that's all I have to 'charge' with at that.

"No refunds" rule is a common thing amongst artists who can't give refunds because they've already spent the money. Given the impression she gave me from her behavior and the long wait list, it wasn't necessarily a huge leap. However, I was wrong in this instance and will happily admit it and apologize to her.

The last bit is your opinion. Given her notes and the journal, I don't see anything wrong with people being afraid to work with her. Of course, her responses here have been fabulous and she's been ace with everyone. She gets a ton of kudos for not giving into her emotions.

Also, you responded to me before I could edit my comment: If anyone is bugging her on her FA from here please let the mods know. There is a look but don't touch rule and no one has any reason bothering her or the guy this beware is about.

I'm sorry that that impression was given, and that I am a little defensive about that because of the fact she was, in fact, attacked earlier today by a user over her journal with a comment of "Lern sum grammur u *explicit* idiot" then blocked her. She hid it, and that was such.

Now that she's responding for herself, I don't defend much anymore except for respond to comments made to me, so, I'm pretty much keeping myself to myself without trying to come across as a white knight so much as a character witness (I suppose that would best suit this situation, as I have several other users who have only worked with her in a business sense that would also agree).

The rant is just as it said, a rant, and if people are scared of rants, well, I guess I kind of understand if there are trigger words, but there is always a warning about it in the journal before you read that if you are sensitive to such, don't read it. She's fixed everything now, though, so I am hoping that will change the opinion everyone has about her from that one vent four months ago.

Actually, I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason rant journals to such degree are off-putting in general is because you don't know if such ire can be triggered to you during the transaction. If someone is capable of "snapping" and going on a fire fueled rage over critique, what's to say that I as a client won't get the same response if I ask for a change? It's not necessarily the content within, but the potential to be on the receiving end of that.

Lots of folks rant. Heck, I rant! It's just better left to a non-working space to give the best impression of yourself. If a person is amazing 99% of the time then it's best to keep that 1% away from where you make your money.

uwu i am taking that into account and have proceeded to make a personal account for such things in an effort to keep such away from my commissions one, and i will keep that in mind.

That's fabulous. C: In sincerely wish you the best, and am happy to see you're taking this to heart.

It wasn't just over the critique is the sad thing. She has a habit of 'Condensing' all of her rage. Hence her fursona being the explosive waterfoul that it is.

However, she has sincerely changed since then, and I hate that everyone's assuming she still acts that way from a single act.

AS I've stated, though, I understand the trigger word warning, and I've been known to warn people myself about trigger warnings about situations when I rant myself. That's why I've made a new account, and so did she to keep things separate.

She literally changed everything to make sure it was up to snuff TODAY, too, so, I'm hoping people will, in fact, change their opinion and not continue saying the rant was enough to get a double beware on.

And a critique and a change in a commission are different animals - mainly because the critiques in question were "Oh god did you just barf that up?" or other 'not critique so much as being a troll' critiques that ALL of us hate.

someone did appear from here but because i saw the comment earlier today before being informed that the beware had been accepted , i saw it as a random thing and hid the comment, so oh well haha.

The artist has come in and said some nice things and seems to have taken all the suggestions well so that's good. But you are not helping this situation at all with your excuses.

For instance:
The journal was four months old, which is obviously on the page that it was such and she, as a person has changed.
Changed so much that there is currently a rant about cowardly idiots on her journal that was posted three hours ago.

(and when I checked earlier the rant that is being talked about was not the only rant journal up. I'm pretty sure there was another one.)

BEWARE - Zorax89

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