http://oceandezignz.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] oceandezignz.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] artists_beware2014-05-14 10:39 am
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Official Terms of Service Advice & Review Post

For an artist, be you a hobbyist or pro; it is positively critical to have a good, solid Terms of Service (T.O.S.). One that includes both your rights as the artist and the customer's rights in relation to your services. Not only does this educate your customers on how the process works and what to expect from it, but it protects both of you in case something goes wrong.

In our first official T.O.S. discussion post, we discussed what to include in a Terms of Service, what constituted good terms, and what were questionable, shady, or downright illegal terms.

Now, once again; here's your chance to post your T.O.S. for critique. Don't know how to word a particular point you're trying to convey? Want to make sure your T.O.S. is fair for you and your customers? Need to make sure you didn't leave any gigantic loopholes? Link your T.O.S. here, and members can give you their advice.

This post can also be used to discuss any other questions that you have on your mind regarding how to build a T.O.S., maintain a good T.O.S. and how to make sure your clients read and agree to your T.O.S.

Before you post, please read through the previous T.O.S. discussions; apply what you learn there to your T.O.S., and then link your revised T.O.S. here for help polishing up.

Please do not post a half-finished T.O.S. and ask folks to rewrite it for you. Be prepared for honest critique!

A good 'break down' for a T.O.S.:
Intro
Artist's Rights
-Payment
-Process
-Preferences
-Publishing
Client's Rights
-Fixes/Redraws
-Publishing
-Behavior
Communication
Refunds
Shipping & Handling

-When it comes to an artist's preferences for what they will or will not draw; simple is often better. You -may- list what you are not willing to draw, but it can get lengthy. If you're not willing to list, or find your list getting longer than your own T.O.S.; but do not might getting ideas pitched at you to pick from, a good solid "Commission themes are to be approved at artist's discretion at all times. Artist reserves the right to decline any commission, without reason." will help you out.

-When talking payment, the community majority is in favor of using Paypal INVOICES. Invoices give the artist control over how much money they're getting, when they get it, and the content of the invoice (in case you're afraid of what a client may write in your place).

-Fixes/Redraws need to have a firm hard limit set to them, as well as some suggestions to go along with them. Detail WHAT part of the process a client may (or may not) ask for fixes on, how many they get and if they go over that limit; what you will charge additionally for it. Also suggest the client wait a minimum of 24-48 hours (if you can afford that wait) to really find out what they want fixed or what they can live with, to the satisfaction of you and themselves.

-Tell your clients in the T.O.S. what you will not tolerate from them from the get-go. If you do not appreciate sexual advances/role-play/commentary; state it in the T.O.S. that you don't play those games and such behavior will not be tolerated during the commission process.

-Communication: State to potential clients how often you'll be in contact with them, or your comfort level in them contacting you for status updates, or where to look for updates if you use a service like Trello or keep a queue maintained on your blog/art site/etc.

-Remind your clients of your rights as the artist, that you own the artwork created due to copyright law. You have full publication/printing rights, but will out of respect to them ask if you can print their commissions for other purposes. If you give re-posting rights to your clients; state here and now where they can or cannot post to, if they have to use a watermarked copy you provide, etc.
-PRIVACY: State your policies (and applicable fees) on privacy of commissions, if you require permissions of secondary characters involved in said private commissions and the possible longevity of how long a private commission may stay private.

-Include refunding options, when a client is a allowed to back out, deposit fees (if building tangible art), etc. Just don't say 'no refunds, what so ever'.


Remember; the tips in the above cut are only the tip of the iceberg for a T.O.S. they're there to get your brain going on what to do. The Mods or even long time comm members will be absolutely glad to offer their two-cents on any other questions or topics you have come to mind, on top of the critique.

If you feel your T.O.S. is quite solid (honed in the fires of discussion posts past) feel free to share it here so folks have an example to look at!

[identity profile] mazz.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ivmbm3WR7NBKE9hgyaNQE3kDnyudO6F1QMOw69N4mkM/edit

Oh please critique mine.

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[identity profile] celestinaketzia.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
My ToS has been altered since the last ToS post. Due to my unstable health, I now do pay upon completion.

http://celestinaketzia.com/tos.html

I'm wondering if it is okay as is, or ifit would be out of line to put a consequence for failure to pay. Such as reporting them here. Or should I worry about that if it ever happens?

[identity profile] intj-reflection.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to not outline a failure to pay option, but instead add a codicil regarding only providing them with a watermarked/cropped file until payment is received?

[identity profile] firewo1f94.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-ttLCYL6ma5DB13LO_Ny8y_7JGnkwglxZtHVbCvXcsA

I'm currently not doing commissions but I plan to restart soonish. Could someone have a critique of mine, sorry that its so long.

[identity profile] ramthedragon.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing that caught my eye was how many changes you are willing to make, especially offering redos or major changes in every stage of the art process or even 10 minor changes. 10 minor changes feel like a lot to me, as you could be dragged on a back and foward changing spree by your client for something quite minor.

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[identity profile] exo-formicidae.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Here is mine;

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5130883/

Normally say to email me, but it's troubling it up so temporarily back to notes until I can get a solid commission email up and running again.

[identity profile] spytdragonfyre.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Your's looks very solid.

[identity profile] keyoki.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's mine:

https://docs.google.com/a/umail.iu.edu/document/d/1tI4hd0hKXrqApVbOwtC6giIBFI-lZllRg4FbyOkIbQg/edit?authkey=CNPL8osG&authkey=CNPL8osG&pli=1

It's a couple years old and in need of a serious overhaul. The thing I'm having the most issue with is 1) saying that I will only work with folks who are 18+ and 2) finding a way to weed out folks who are minors.

[identity profile] mazz.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
For 18+ I just put something like this "Business will be done with individuals over the age of 18, for those under the age of 18, business transactions must be done through a parent or legal guardian"

You can either end it at saying you'll do business with someone over 18 or add the part about a parent/legal guardian. Some kids under 18 have parents fully ok with them getting suits and costume stuff.
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Your TOS has some good information but it's kind of blocky. If you go up and check out mine, there's contact/gallery links at the top and things are separated and spaced out for easy look-up and reference when reading/asking question.

[identity profile] arinaca.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I've pretty much finished mine except for rewording and nitpicking, any advice?

https://www.weasyl.com/journal/37802/terms-of-service-and-price-list

[identity profile] mazz.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
My biggest thing is the 16 year old part, it's technically illegal to enter into a business contract with a minor and if they back out and take their money you are pretty screwed. I tend to recommend keeping business with those 18 and older and if someone under 18 wants work they need to have a parent/legal guardian to the monetary/buisness actions.

[identity profile] calicofeathers.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kSMTzLgDbxc2flkkFKKymU3wzfVopM5UHsHUIS0PdFA/edit?usp=sharing

I like to think mine's pretty solid?

[identity profile] mazz.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
pet peeve of mine but the "cancellations" bold is on the end of the page and the information is on the next page. i'd hit enter and bring that down just for a cleaner look.

Other that that, nicely written!

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[identity profile] wuvvumsoc.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
http://doodlebugcommissions.tumblr.com/terms

I made this all in one sitting so I definitely would like some advice for improvement.

[identity profile] di-porcellana.livejournal.com 2014-05-14 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.heri-commissions.portfoliobox.me/terms-of-service/

Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

I would also like to mention the reason I am so strict with the amount of changes I do is because I once spent almost five months making edits for a client.
Edited 2014-05-14 23:14 (UTC)

[identity profile] spytdragonfyre.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yes, please critique mine http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5685954/

[identity profile] orangemonsterco.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I've only just created mine this year and have hoped that it is safe and fair to both my clients and myself.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VjevGk78uHOned6mDsbcNTFziDvEvN0mPeTEJEGw2BA/edit?usp=sharing

comments appreciated

[identity profile] mortymaxwell.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure I understand "no refunds will be given in the extent of artist injury or extended absence." Are you saying that if the artist has an extended absence the client can't request a refund? I don't know how I feel about that. I'd feel bad for the artist, but if the artist was going to be out of reach for a really long period of time, I'd like to have the option of being able to back out.

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[identity profile] itsamellama.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
I got some really good feedback last time and have edited it according to last time's TOS review. I'd really appreciate any advice on my current version, as I'm having a hard time figuring out what's crucial and not to keep.

My Current TOS (http://www.melgcabral.com/terms-and-conditions/)

Thanks so much in advance!

[identity profile] sheepilyy.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5133662/
I would really love a review of my TOS! It has already gone through a few people but I feel it could be tweaked a lot more

Edit;//
I'm not sure if I should also post this but I also have a section of like "how to commission"
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5523647/

I wasn't sure this stuff belonged in my TOS? Unless some of it does! I am unsure!
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[identity profile] faye wahaneta marie cover (from livejournal.com) 2014-05-15 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
http://plus3defense.webs.com/terms-of-service
I'd love to get some input on my TOS. I'm a crafter and I've been slowly attempting to cover everything from all the learning experiences I've had >.

[identity profile] nakoothetauren.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 11:34 am (UTC)(link)
Oh some input would be great, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QZan00T8JwwbUlHdJyjCxfmwgXYqX8Q8tEfTEfFhTXs/edit?usp=sharing
I need to update my TOS to include things like stream commissions and YCH's. I'm pretty bad with wording though, learning disability and all, so help would be mega appreciated!

[identity profile] yuki-fox-demon.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know a whole lot about ToS, but I did notice a typo! Under General Artwork Policies, you have "Re-posting my artwork without proper credit or permition is not permitted" instead of permission.
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[identity profile] kalika-tybera.livejournal.com 2014-05-15 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think mine is fairly solid, but you never know, I may have forgotten something. Any input would be appreciated!
http://fs17.formsite.com/KalikaTybera/TermsOfService/

[identity profile] yuki-fox-demon.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Why you don't send WIP/approval sketches for commissions under $50? Not saying this is a bad thing, I'm honestly just curious!

[identity profile] bluefantasyz.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
I would super love a critique. I wrote this all out on paper before typing it up, to make sure I didn't miss anything. But another set of eyes would always be helpful.

http://fav.me/d5yu4ew

Edited to change my picture derp :P
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[identity profile] spartanwerewolf.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I've got a couple suggestions.

I'd pull the stuff about "optional good-faith deposits" and do business via paypal or google wallet only, since cheques and money orders can be faked.

I'd also pull the stuff about your kid and other job, just simplify it with "I prefer to work without deadlines" and maybe something about requesting a deadline within reason. The less your customer has to read to get the gist of each point, the better.

For subject limitations, I would just make up a list of stuff you won't draw, in bullet points.

[identity profile] sbneko.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
I'm currently updating things a lot and made a new site for it, so ignore how it looks at the moment, but I'd love to hear if anything seems off about my TOS.

http://strawbsart.weebly.com/terms-of-service.html

[identity profile] mortymaxwell.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
It looks pretty solid. It's a really nice TOS.

The one thing that leaps out at me is:

"I do, however, ask you do not re-post commissions *and* their full size to public galleries, and do not remove my signature on the image."

I think you mean "commissions in their full size". ^_^

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[identity profile] spartanwerewolf.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I need to shift mine over to gdocs and/or my weasyl profile, but until then, FA it is: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3709751

Feedback appreciated.

[identity profile] kimbasnowpaw.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PkdXl_GG0QiSPABdXVrtEY36bzemkLMUqV3tJvvKgbQ/mobilebasic

I'd like to get some feedback about my TOS in general, I'm kind of new to taking commissions and I want to make sure it's up to par. And a more specific question: how do you guys handle signing/watermarking?

I've had commissioners throw a fit over being allowed to post only the watermarked version in their galleries (I used to give them a watermarked smaller version and a non-watermarked full-res). After having a full-res show up on several sites, I kind of gave up and decided to only give them a resized and signed version. It's of a reasonable size, not tiny or anything. And my signature is visible and legible, but not overly obtrusive. Is this fair compromise for my commissioners?

[identity profile] demonofdreams.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like an outsider's eye on mine please, I think it needs a check once in a while by someone who's not me.

http://fav.me/d3xbjli

[identity profile] kigurumiunicorn.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been over my ToS a few times in the past following previous advice posts to this community, but this is my first time posting! I'd be more than glad for any opinions on it: http://fav.me/d4w0ibh

[identity profile] whoop-zi.livejournal.com 2014-05-16 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm certainly open to critique if anyone would like to look over my ToS. u w u
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38450530/FA/TOS.jpg
I guess it seems a little empty as far as how the actual commission process goes + WIPs etc., but I usually do smaller, more specific commissions via journal. Have at it!

[identity profile] crissihime.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Hey there. I would love some feedback, as I am just starting out. I have read through almost all these posts and Revised my old TOS. However because I am new I am not sure how well I've done. I got my first Client and one of my terms is already been thrown out the window it seems (posting with no credit on top of tagging another artist in it) so I just want to make sure I have no loopholes.

Edit: This is what it was before:
http://sta.sh/0w7u4yhntuq /end edit:

Revised it More.
http://ssjpan.deviantart.com/journal/C-O-M-M-I-S-S-I-O-N-S-TOS-Updated-5-16-14-316804740

Thankyou all for any and all help!!!


Edit was to add old tos format.
Edited 2014-05-17 19:17 (UTC)

[identity profile] dragonommz.livejournal.com 2014-05-20 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, I would appreciate some feedback on mine. I had a vague ruleset and such before, but this is the first time I'm revising it with a[n attempt at] a more professional appearance. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BDIUQ2YWiUqCWxeiMlAHYXPKVEaDlfdmfEMXoS-fWoU/edit?usp=sharing

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