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Artist Beware: LoserDoge/Demonic-Fag
WHO: LoserDoge on DA, Demonic-Fag on FA, lozerdoge on tumblr
WHERE: They seem to do most of their commissions through LoserDoge on DA
WHAT: $8 for a digital flatcolor, and a digital 'journal doll'
WHEN: First note sent + replied to on April 25th 2014, payment sent same day, first sign of trouble May 3rd
PROOF: 1st Note, Payment Date, Personal Work Since Payment, Proof of Personal Work Date, 2nd Note, 3rd Note, 1st Submission Date, 4th Note, Dispute Date
EXPLAIN: I found LoserDoge on DA and had a little extra money, so I decided to commission them. I sent the first note on April 25th which was quickly replied to, and I sent the payment the same day.
I waited around through the week waiting for my commission, while watching them draw and post a lot of personal artwork. I sent my second note on May 3rd to ask why they hadn't worked on either of my commissions yet. They said that they would be gone for the weekend and that they might work on my commissions the next week, saying they were "just a very slow worker". This set off alarm bells for me, considering they obviously weren't slow when it came to drawing for themselves.
(The passive-aggressive comment was me offering to make them free minecraft skins if they finished my commissions, since they posted a journal looking for them. I realized after I posted it how it could have come off, and as seen in the note, promptly apologized.)
I waited for the next week and continued to see them post personal artwork. It was the end of the week they said they'd be working on them, and I was feeling extremely uncomfortable watching them post multiple submissions for themselves every day after they told me they were a slow worker. I sent my third note on May 8th stating this fact, and warning that if both weren't finished that weekend, I'd be sending in a claim.
Finally, after giving warning, they finished ONE of my commissions on May 9th. I had asked for both to be finished by/before the weekend, but gave them the benefit of the doubt. I waited another week, and sent my last note on May 15th.
I would never have had an issue if they had given me a different reason for being slow, or if they had been posting commission work, but 90% of what they had been posting after I had paid them was personal work. They posted multiple flatcolors and other types of works within the same day, so they could have easily finished both of my commissions in a day.
Here is a link to a screenshot showing all of the personal artwork they did between me paying them and the submission date: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ltcr6whxvdncs5c/PersonalWorkSincePayment.PNG
And proof of personal work date: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s95efs4p203uyku/ProofOfPersonalDate.PNG
With no response but continuing activity on their DeviantArt account, I sent in a paypal dispute. I had escalated it to a claim a week or so later after receiving no response there, either. They never responded to the dispute/claim or my last note, and the claim closes tomorrow.
WHERE: They seem to do most of their commissions through LoserDoge on DA
WHAT: $8 for a digital flatcolor, and a digital 'journal doll'
WHEN: First note sent + replied to on April 25th 2014, payment sent same day, first sign of trouble May 3rd
PROOF: 1st Note, Payment Date, Personal Work Since Payment, Proof of Personal Work Date, 2nd Note, 3rd Note, 1st Submission Date, 4th Note, Dispute Date
EXPLAIN: I found LoserDoge on DA and had a little extra money, so I decided to commission them. I sent the first note on April 25th which was quickly replied to, and I sent the payment the same day.
I waited around through the week waiting for my commission, while watching them draw and post a lot of personal artwork. I sent my second note on May 3rd to ask why they hadn't worked on either of my commissions yet. They said that they would be gone for the weekend and that they might work on my commissions the next week, saying they were "just a very slow worker". This set off alarm bells for me, considering they obviously weren't slow when it came to drawing for themselves.
(The passive-aggressive comment was me offering to make them free minecraft skins if they finished my commissions, since they posted a journal looking for them. I realized after I posted it how it could have come off, and as seen in the note, promptly apologized.)
I waited for the next week and continued to see them post personal artwork. It was the end of the week they said they'd be working on them, and I was feeling extremely uncomfortable watching them post multiple submissions for themselves every day after they told me they were a slow worker. I sent my third note on May 8th stating this fact, and warning that if both weren't finished that weekend, I'd be sending in a claim.
Finally, after giving warning, they finished ONE of my commissions on May 9th. I had asked for both to be finished by/before the weekend, but gave them the benefit of the doubt. I waited another week, and sent my last note on May 15th.
I would never have had an issue if they had given me a different reason for being slow, or if they had been posting commission work, but 90% of what they had been posting after I had paid them was personal work. They posted multiple flatcolors and other types of works within the same day, so they could have easily finished both of my commissions in a day.
Here is a link to a screenshot showing all of the personal artwork they did between me paying them and the submission date: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ltcr6whxvdncs5c/PersonalWorkSincePayment.PNG
And proof of personal work date: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s95efs4p203uyku/ProofOfPersonalDate.PNG
With no response but continuing activity on their DeviantArt account, I sent in a paypal dispute. I had escalated it to a claim a week or so later after receiving no response there, either. They never responded to the dispute/claim or my last note, and the claim closes tomorrow.
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I don't really care if I don't talk to them again. If I send them a refund for what they did, I have a clear conscience if it gets to them or not. At least I'm making an effort here, you know?
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That's why dealing with minors is dangerous, for anything but what the law considers necessities(food for example) it's non-binding.
My point was trying to defend the fact that you had to get your whole refund first and then send the refund part back. You weren't being greedy on that since you can try and get paypal to only reward you a partial return on a claim but it wont happen. I'm guessing the easiest way for them to rule on these things is to skimm the evidence and then dissolve the contract, which returns all funds, with all loss to the one who they felt did bad business.
Then it's up to the winner to be the good guy and send part back if it's warranted.
Of course if the artist had just given you the partial refund from their side in the first place then they wouldn't be looking at having the entire amount reversed and depending on you sending back for the work they did do.
No comment from me on the communication from you to the artist- you've dealt with it a few few times here on this post already.
Just some advice on your comments here- you may just want to take a little breather on your replies. Or maybe just make one blanket comment explaining that you realised your communications were pushy and you apologised to the artist for that and will be more careful in the future(leave your stress out of it if you want the apology to really be sincere, everyone has crappy months and gets cranky, that's not a factor in business deals).
So stop replying to each induvidual comment about it now. You're sounding a little flippant or aggro-defensive in some of your replies now explaining things, so I don't thinking repeating it again and again is doing you any favours.
Take a minute or two, think carefully about how you would want to explain and address the communication issue to any one who mentions your behaviour was off putting, or a beware towards you and calmly write out the most concise, honest reply to that you can to post in reply here. Make that a post to the main entry and back away unless you need to clarify anything else specifically.
Doing that will do you way more good than to keep replying to everyone induvidually and getting more and more frustrated.