I need advice regarding a troublesome user.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Hi all. I recently took on an art trade in exchange for a ref sheet of my character.

They got someone else to draw my character (since they can't draw themeselves, but wanted art from me), and I will be drawing theirs. I started on my half of the trade today via a LiveStream so the tradee knows good and well I'm doing my half. Their half of the trade was completed quickly so no worries there.

Well, also today, I found out that this person has a really bad history of being incredibly rude and demanding and selfish to other artists. Some people on Nabyn noted me and told me this and that I should stay well away from this person. This person has also gotten banned on FurAffinity and had created ban-evasion accounts which have been banned too. On their deviantART account, they also cuss out and complain at people who thank them for watches/faves. I don't believe this person is a troll, just incredibly rude.

Example: http://i.imgur.com/7xa5h.png

I also found out that this person is going around telling people they'll put me on here just because they think I was "avoiding them" for the last two days (when in reality I have been busy and not much in a IMing mood). They have also been going around saying I was a "con artist" and that I'm not planning on drawing them anything. The person claims I am his friend (I have only know this person for a few days!) so maybe if I block this person, they'll try to use the "I thought you were my friend" excuse. They are also a liar, claiming I said things when I did not.

Unfortunately, I didn't know this at the time I accepted his offer, otherwise I would have told them no. 

What should I do? Should I finish the trade, and just remove him and block them? Or should I post them here? My friend also told me that he had a really awful experience with that guy as well and he wouldn't mind coming here and telling his half of the story. I have screenshots of the evidence proving that this person is disrespectful to artists and some chat logs.

EDIT: This guy is starting to make block evade accounts and note me and is making call out journals on these accounts. He is also IMing my friend and attacking her as well.

Comments

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Its very difficult since he is harassing me now on alt accounts on FA (which both got banned thankfully) and pasting my old A_B to random people's pages, and I'm finding it difficult to work with him. :/ If he stops harassing me like that I will do his ref.

[demonofdreams.livejournal.com]

I think at this point just get the work done. Don't try to negotiate anything else with the person, just finish the art and wash your hands of everything, the person included. If he clearly doesn't stop and is too stubborn to do so, you won't make anything better by withholding art. He'll just find it easier to convince people regarding your old A_B.

If you finish it, you have proof that you do finish work and keep your end of the deal. So do it, block off all contact and post him here.

He can be reported to dA for block evading, but you MUST block him first and inform them of the accounts he makes, or else the report is not valid. I don't have much faith in the admins, but who knows - if you're lucky, you'll get an admin who takes action.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

All this will do is continue to spiral, as this person has a legitimate complaint against you because you have not completed it. Yes, their actions are inappropriate, but that does not automatically give you the right to not compensate them in some manner, either by doing the art, or finding a way to send them money equal to the price of one of your ref sheets.

I understand that the other person did not actually 'pay' for the artist to draw the ref sheet you received, but by your agreement with them, they are due either a ref sheet drawn by you, or the value of one.

Do you have all of the information you need to make the ref sheet? If so, I would just draw it and thus finish your responsibilities towards this person, and negate any complaints they could make about you.

If not, you can send them an email (if you have their address) to contact you calmly with the information needed to complete the trade. If you are blocked from contacting them, make a public journal "To the person to whom I owe the trade", stating that you are willing to complete the trade, but that they must contact you via email in a calm, professional manner, in order for you to get the art done properly.

As long as you maintain a professional tone and behavior, and do as much as you are able in order to resolve this, they will have no one but themselves to blame if they do not get their half. And you will come out looking like the better person.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

You blocked him before completing the trade?

[marblestheskunk.livejournal.com]

He also somehow found my skype/aim and added me on both and starting trying to get me involved.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Screening as this is not the place to post this.

Block and report this person.

[marblestheskunk.livejournal.com]

I am honestly terrified to the point I'm crying idk what to do.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Block and ignore. That's all you can do. Report if they pull any stuff on FA or DA.

They probably assume you are involved considering the shout you left on their ban-evasion account.

I have to give you an official warning that you violated rule number 2 with that. It was evident you were aware of the post here in A_B before commenting on the ban-evasion account.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Someone noted me saying that they are also having problems with this person and may post about it here. I really want this person to be bewared on here, Marbles and I don't deserve his harassment and he's threatening making me an ED article, and it's making me harder and harder to do his art if I keep being harassed like this. :/ I'm really upset right now and I don't know what to do either. :/

[marblestheskunk.livejournal.com]

Honestly you cannot just assume that, I commented because I know about this whole thing, not from the beware but because Alex is my good friend and has told me about everything, I do not even believe I mentioned artist beware. That person was breaking the rules, I do not feel I was doing anything wrong.

Even if I was involved that gives him NO right to say the things hes been saying to me, he keeps making fake accounts on FA, and I don't have a DA so I don't really know what I'm supposed to do.
If I post about it anywhere it gets screened or deleted, so I really don't know what you expect me to do here.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

You were not involved in the transaction. You had already commented in the A_B post, proving you were aware of the post and thus required to abide by community rules. Considering the nature of your shout, I should have given you a temporary suspension from the community, rather than just a warning.

As I said, best you can do is ignore and block. The less acknowledgement you give him, the more boring harassing you becomes. Unfortunately, there's nothing else we in A_B can do for you, as you do not have an art transaction with this person.

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[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

This is likely an unpopular opinion, but I feel it needs to be said. I'm actually more inclined to sympathize with Conner *in this particular situation* (i.e. disregarding prior behaviour with other people because it is not relevant).

You make a trade agreement with someone, get their half of it then hear about past drama they've had with other people and use that as a reason to try to get out of it, despite them doing nothing to you.

The whole "this person called me a con artist" excuse doesn't fly. I've seen the log. What they did was express to a friend of yours that they feel used and that you've been avoiding them, which you freely admit was the case so... what's the problem here? How is it unreasonable for someone you owe something to, to get upset when you cut off communication with them?

When your beware was rejected you posted it on FA as a call-out journal and also apparently blocked him, while artwork from you is still owed. Those are not actions that I can agree with.

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[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I only blocked him because a lot of people were telling me to do so on FA and Facebook. I'm talking to his gf right now and she's telling me I could just do the art for her instead and the deal would be closed since she loves drawing me anyways.

I don't appreciate his harassment though to my friend and I, threats to make an ED article on me, accusing my friend's AIM of being my own and threatening her, and making call-out accounts to get people to attack me.

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[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

I only blocked him because a lot of people were telling me to do so on FA and Facebook.

Here at least, people were telling you to block him AFTER doing your half. Not before. It is NEVER a good idea to stonewall someone when you owe them something. What are they supposed to think? If the roles were reversed how would YOU feel at being ignored then blocked by someone you're waiting on art from?

I don't appreciate his harassment though to my friend and I, threats to make an ED article on me, accusing my friend's AIM of being my own and threatening her, and making call-out accounts to get people to attack me.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but you DID start it. Your call-out journal was harassment. Linking your friend to the alt account to troll him was harassment. To be blunt; don't dish it out if you can't take it.

I'm not saying that his current actions are fine, just that it likely wouldn't have gotten to this point had you not kicked up a fuss for no reason and wronged a person who you owe something to. If you really want people to believe that you've changed then behave accordingly instead of courting drama and looking for an excuse to wriggle out of agreements.

[demonofdreams.livejournal.com]

Kerstin is not making you out to be wrong, just that YOU are responsible for actively involving yourself by commenting regardless of what you knew, and therefore the consequences is yours alone to deal with. As much as getting caught up in the heat of the moment is not wrong as such, it still doesn't excuse the fact that you could have just silently reported and said nothing more.

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[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

Do you really see nothing wrong with making a call-out journal on FA about someone, yet it's unfair for the same to be done about you?

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Screened because you included the name.

I've given you all the advice I can for your situation, and my official warning for rulebreaking still stands. If you wish to discuss it further, you can PM me or email me at kerstinorion at gmail.

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[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

Uhm, Alex just replied to me with a a log that says differently.

(2:05:06 AM) Dachshund 28472 the same guy who noted me made a block evade account
(2:05:13 AM) brutalbeekay >.<
(2:05:40 AM) Dachshund 28472 artistsbewaare

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[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Ok, both Alex and Marbles continue to name names in this thread. We moderators are having to continually screen these comments, and the discussion is getting nowhere. I am screening the comments with names and freezing the thread.

Please do not continue to post names or I will have to suspend whoever persists in doing so.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

I agree that you do not deserve this level of harassment. There is no excuse for the way this person has gone about trying to get their half of the trade.

As things stand, I can only recommend ignoring them, stepping away from the computer, and attempting to find some resolution later when you are in a calmer state of mind.

The person who noted you is welcome to submit their beware for review; we moderators will evaluate it on the same criteria we use for every post.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I'm shaking, on the verge of tears, and so stressed out. I am frustrated because it feels like you all think I'm lying and making us look like bad guys when we're not and it hurts. We're upset, people this upset do make mistakes and we're not trying to annoy anyone.

I don't deserve this, and Marbles doesn't either. I'm trying to do the right thing but I don't know exactly what to do. I'm really stressed out by this and I couldn't even pack tonight for FWA because I am bothered by this so much. I want to get this done but I feel like all he'll do is snark off at me and edit it, like he has done to some other artists in the past as well. :(

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

If you're this upset, it's time to step away for a while. Perhaps post a journal saying you will be away in order to pack and calm down, and will address the situation in depth when you get back.

Go enjoy the con.

Then, come back with a fresh outlook when you get home. After all, most internet drama is dead within a week, especially if one of the major parties is unavailable for several days.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Thank you for your advice. I just now told my watchers I'll be gone for a while. I really do need to pack and I don't want stuff to bother me while I'm at the convention. I hope this'll cool over once I get back on Sunday.

[blaze-ignitus.livejournal.com]

Oddly enough...this behavior seems so familiar to me. I wonder...could it be Handehog/Octavarius/Kawazuslime? The way the person writes is so much like Handehog's sentence structure and tone it's frightening.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Nope it's not him.