I need advice regarding a troublesome user.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Hi all. I recently took on an art trade in exchange for a ref sheet of my character.

They got someone else to draw my character (since they can't draw themeselves, but wanted art from me), and I will be drawing theirs. I started on my half of the trade today via a LiveStream so the tradee knows good and well I'm doing my half. Their half of the trade was completed quickly so no worries there.

Well, also today, I found out that this person has a really bad history of being incredibly rude and demanding and selfish to other artists. Some people on Nabyn noted me and told me this and that I should stay well away from this person. This person has also gotten banned on FurAffinity and had created ban-evasion accounts which have been banned too. On their deviantART account, they also cuss out and complain at people who thank them for watches/faves. I don't believe this person is a troll, just incredibly rude.

Example: http://i.imgur.com/7xa5h.png

I also found out that this person is going around telling people they'll put me on here just because they think I was "avoiding them" for the last two days (when in reality I have been busy and not much in a IMing mood). They have also been going around saying I was a "con artist" and that I'm not planning on drawing them anything. The person claims I am his friend (I have only know this person for a few days!) so maybe if I block this person, they'll try to use the "I thought you were my friend" excuse. They are also a liar, claiming I said things when I did not.

Unfortunately, I didn't know this at the time I accepted his offer, otherwise I would have told them no. 

What should I do? Should I finish the trade, and just remove him and block them? Or should I post them here? My friend also told me that he had a really awful experience with that guy as well and he wouldn't mind coming here and telling his half of the story. I have screenshots of the evidence proving that this person is disrespectful to artists and some chat logs.

EDIT: This guy is starting to make block evade accounts and note me and is making call out journals on these accounts. He is also IMing my friend and attacking her as well.

Comments

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

Just finish the trade to get them out of your hair. It sounds like with you they may just have become impatient, have they been waiting long after 'doing' their half?

Since we don't allow proxy posts their behaviour towards other people isn't a factor in what would make a post from you valid, and this all sounds just like petty drama honestly (that's my opinion as a third party based on what you wrote, not a judgement as a moderator. That would require a more full account based on solely your problems with them including evidence to verify it.)

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I took this trade less than a week ago.

[rtydmartel.livejournal.com]

I second shukivengeance's suggestion of finishing your trade so that you can be done with that person.

That way the transaction will be over and then you can safely block them to avoid future contact with them, and they won't have the "but you didn't finish your half of the trade!" card to pull against you.

Also, if your friend's experience with this person involved a commission/art trade and he has evidence that he is willing to show, you could tell him to make his own beware post here.

[semisonicstar.livejournal.com]

imo - finish it, block them.

[claytronic.livejournal.com]

Nope, that screencap would have ended it for me.
I'd cut it off, no trade. If he flips his shit, post him here.

What a horrible attitude

[conigliomannaro.livejournal.com]

The other artist has already finished their half of the trade, so if OP didn't finish his/hers/zers they would be in the wrong.

[roocodendron.livejournal.com]

Yeah, echoing the motion to finish and block.

Though I am curious as to who it is, simply so I could avoid doing business with them. But I understand if that's now allowed ):

[teekchan.livejournal.com]

I'd like to know who he is so I can block him as well.

Did you get 'their half'? If yes, finish it and just block them.

If not, do you know who is doing it? Maybe note them and cancel, or ask to draw for them instead.

[dingybatty.livejournal.com]

yeah, if your half of the trade isn't done yet I'd cancel that right away. that person isn't worth your time.

[aerospiritual.livejournal.com]

I'd just finish it, upload to PB or another image hosting site- no point in a public posting, followed by blocking them and just being done with them.

And I'd get your friend to post his experiences- this sounds like someone I'd /never/ want to deal with.

[emirasan.livejournal.com]

Wow, sounds a lot like a situation my hubby got in to a while back. He did finally get his half of the trade, but it took a lot of pushing and putting his foot down.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

It looks like you may have misread this post, since the OP has received his half of the trade but not yet done his own.

[mgsfriedchicken.livejournal.com]

Finish, then block.
Encourage your friend to post his experiences here so others know not to deal with him.

[genkigami.livejournal.com]

Yikes, bad attitude ahoy.

Finish ASAP and block. Although I will say when they IMed you ignoring was not the best thing to do. Even if you're not in a talky mood, just sending one reply with "hey, sorry, really busy right now. Can you hit me up in an hour/tomorrow/later/yourtimeframehere? Thanks!" and leaving it at that can curb disaster.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Alright, thanks! :)

[starcharmer.livejournal.com]

I just internet stalk found his page and wooooow that "warning" about thanking for watches/favs.

500thing everyone else with "finish ASAP, block forever."

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I honestly don't like being thanked for faves/watches/pageviews either, but I've NEVER cussed out a person for doing so. :/ He even unfaves the art he favorited if they thank him, and says "Fav removed.".

It's a shame this guy is so rude to others. He seemed pretty chill when we first IMed.

[syrusb.livejournal.com]

Agreeing with the finish the trade and block them. Be simple and to the point when you deliver the image, don't mention the block, just do it.

And also? Wow.

[sharpecostumes.livejournal.com]

Geez o.o Nothing I can say that hasn't been said multiple times but goodness, that is no way to act, period. To be honest, that response you posted from them to another artists warrants a "do not do business with" person. I do hope all goes well for you hun.

[tunavoice.livejournal.com]

I saw some comments by the person in question, and... SHEESH. This guy deserves a full-out beware, IMO. He seems like he would be a very rude commissioner.

Pretty much what everyone else is saying, though- finish your end of the trade, and block.

Question?

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

Should I mention who it is here and update the info, or make a new entry mentioning this guy and his aliases?

Re: Question?

[dakotabailey.livejournal.com]

PLEASE! PLEASE DO!

I have so much to add (yes, I know who it is)

[taasla.livejournal.com]

Considering how they think that they own the rights to whatever images are made for them, I wouldn't even do anything for them. It may be doing things a little more difficult, but I'd try to get in contact with the artist and pay them for their art. =\ That way you have no obligation and no headaches with false reports.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I consider the artist who did the ref sheet for me as a friend, and I can't exactly pay her via Paypal since my Paypal won't let me send payments at the moment. I'm sure she won't mind if I just do a ref of one of her characters instead, as she did draw the ref for me, but I'll ask her. She's really nice.

[slushienyappy.livejournal.com]

I found him on DA and holy lord...

He does seem to have a real attitude! Id surely post him Alex >.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I did just now...it should be up soon. It's really loooong x.x

[marblestheskunk.livejournal.com]

I think you should just see if llucario will let you draw her something or pay her, because she did the art for free and just explain to her this person is making you feel uncomfortable.

[neolucky.livejournal.com]

I am confused...about how this trade works. The person you traded with puts no effort into it, gets someone else to draw for you, and you give them something in return?

I wouldn't have traded based soley on how strange and fishy that is. That feels a bit scammy to me on the other persons end.

But since you're in agreement and their half is done, you really need to finish your end of the bargain. Then block them.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I've done this lots of times and seen other artists do it, either this way or for items. It's quite common really.

I stated that he couldnt commission me or if he really wanted the art from me, we do a trade since I don't do requests.

[cyiakanami.livejournal.com]

Uhg, found the guy and noooo thank you. Just finish, hand it to him with the rules for usage, cause it seems he gets misconstrued with them (i.e saying he's allowed to post it where ever, whenever and it looks like he's even edited other's works of art without their permission. So beware wayyy warranted and watch your back with whatever you give him.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I made a new beware on him with lots of his info. It's processing and should be up later today.

Advice for the OP

[mortymaxwell.livejournal.com]

Finish your trade.

Block the dude.

Make sure you have rules for making edits/modification to your art posted clearly somewhere in case he tries to change the picture.

Make your IMs friends only and add a clause to your TOS, if you don't have one, that commissions/trades will only be discussed over e-mail. Sticky situations can arise when you have people like this guy contacting you over IM to discuss their trades/commissions.

[conigliomannaro.livejournal.com]

In all honesty, I don't agree with who tells you to not do their trade and pay the other artist with a picture or money.

See, in this, you are - understandably - kinda jumping the gun: you are going on based on what you heard and seen of this person, but they did not do anything to warrant you backing off of the transaction yet, especially considered that the other side of the trade - your 'payment' - has already been done.

I understand why you want nothing to do with this person, but I honestly think you can't refuse to do what you agreed to without a valid reason, and with valid reason I don't mean hearsay or him being a dick to other people. If I was in their place and you backed off because I am a cunt, though I hadn't been a cunt to you (yet, maybe, but you never know) and you already had what I promised you for your time, I would be really pissed.

In this situation I believe the most professional and polite thing you can do is finish the trade and forget about him. If then he gets all rude to you too, welcome to make a new beware, but for now, all I see is you getting your payment and wondering if you should do what you were paid to.

And the answer, for as unpleasant the customer is, should be yes. At least until he does something to YOU that warrants the breaking of your deal.

[alex-dachshund.livejournal.com]

I already made a new beware on him and it's processing. I want to warn people of this guy as he's giving artists a lot of problems.
I just saw an artist beware journal on him today on FurAffinity.

I think I just plan to do his thing and then block him. :/ I don't plan on uploading his art anywhere other than Photobucket or something because I don't want something I had to deal with up in my gallery. :/

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Screening this because this is an advice post and the other party should not be named.

I understand they were named in an edit to the post. I am waiting on Alex to re-revise the post and remove the name.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

I'm gonna go ahead and screen this comment because we'd rather not have this become a drama-post. It would have been preferable for you to PM this to a mod. Also you were asked to remove the person's name from the OP.