artist beware-tooth., dayy, sai-moonmist

[aspenbear.livejournal.com]

WHO: Sai-moonmist, tooth., dayy.

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/tooth./
https://www.weasyl.com/~toothbones
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sai-moonmist
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/dayy/
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/inpandemic.

WHAT: Fursuit parts, art, refund

WHEN: about 5 months ago [it is now feb 2014] I commissioned this artist to help them start up a fursuit making buisness. They were super friendly and helpfull to start with, but soon changed.
We bought fur from Sugar Factory on FA, and waited a month for it, never saw it. Then come to find out that the fur was never shipped and SF was in the ER.
SO, I asked tooth for my money back, and was willing to give LOTS of time since she was out the $70 i gave her from never getting the fur or money back from SF.
After a while, I see tooth is getting art from other people and begging for money. So I ontacted them several times to ask for my money back.
The following images shows my warning to report them, as well as conversations between us on the matter.


PROOF:
http://oi62.tinypic.com/s4c9r9.jpg This is where they said they would refund me.
http://oi59.tinypic.com/fux7xl.jpg Here they are blaming SF for their lack of money, which i understood at first, but soon learned they just enjoy blaming others.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/pt0kn.jpg Warning to Tooth that I am posting this AB
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2dkg5tg.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2le5cgk.jpg both of these are examples of ALL their journals asking and begging for commissions
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2s67p1w.jpg at one point, Tooth posted a journal asking for someone to make them pants, and that they would pay for them [aka-commission pants from someone] So I confronted them about it.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2jdfkzs.jpg here they said they had a spare $15 and used it to commission someone before paying not only me, but many people back. No, that $15 is not yours, its ours, and you used it~

As of Feb 25 2014 I still have not gotten my money back.

EXPLAIN: I think I covered it all above. The person begs for money and never refunds. If they can not take care of a fursuit making commission, they should not offer them in the first place. Fursuiting takes a lot of time, money, and effort, and Tooth doesnt seem to care about others unless it is quick, cheap digital art.

[edit while im typing]
they replied to me with the following
http://oi58.tinypic.com/xf48ch.jpg
and a journal post as well
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2cizbo.jpg

[edit March 10th 2014]
She tried commissioning a fellow artist, and when told she should be refunding people instead of buying art, here was her reply
http://i.imgur.com/DoOxFfk.png
I went to her page in rage, and tried to post a reply.
She is not, and never has been on my block list, in hopes she would turn herself around.
http://oi57.tinypic.com/es5k6b.jpg
in short, she still is lying....


[edit march 18th 2014]
Tooth asked for my paypal twice, and when i went to reply, they had me on my block list again
http://oi60.tinypic.com/n2lamw.jpg


[edit march 19th 2014]
she removed me to message me again, but tried to pity party with the whole "emergency dog fund" thing
http://oi58.tinypic.com/v5vj82.jpg

[edit march 24th 2014]
she gave me $20 back, still owes me a lot more, but she keeps saying "im taking it out of my dogs funds, so be happy"

Comments

[germanchoclates.livejournal.com]

Oh my gosh, if her flappy teenager speak isn't a complete turn off in the conversations between you both, their response to being put on AB certainly is. Good lord almighty. The fact they kept mentioning sugar factory makes it seem like they want to make the entire ordeal their fault when, yeah, while that did stink up the entire thing, isn't the commissioner's fault. Beware most certainly well warranted.

[friskecrisps.livejournal.com]

I want to see she's probably faking the depression, anxiety stuff. Honestly, this is...man there are no words to describe this girl. She really needs to revaluate herself

[sacch.livejournal.com]

One of her latest rant journals just... makes me side-eye her so hard.
Maybe people wouldn't avoid you if you, you know, stuck to your word and showed mature, adult behavior. Because why act like an adult?

Beware so warranted, I just cannot words.

[mistresswolf.livejournal.com]

I know. I see these "so and so is a big meanie face! *no explanation*" and everyone rallying around, buttpatting and being all "oh you poor baby! people are big meanies!" ... and I facedesk every time.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Hi! Please refrain from commenting on whether or not someone is faking depression and the like, we're not really here for stuff like that and it can be pretty offensive. Thank you!

[ominous-pants.livejournal.com]

all of her rant journals make make side-eye so hard

[rueq.livejournal.com]

That too.

Wow

[xiaine.livejournal.com]

This is the artist Mitarashi that she commissioned a custom from, and thank you for posting this. this just... calls for me to be a lot more strict with my commissions as she has not paid for hers at all yet v-v Dang, thank you for sending this cause now I'm going to make sure people pay first before I start anything.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

She's now asking people to get her more art so she has 100 pieces of her fursona and offering a prize to the person that gets her the 100th. Pretty sleazy, in my opinion.

[karthegrax.livejournal.com]

Simply having a 'just in case' fund is a big turn off for me. wth

[mpd-84.livejournal.com]

It's not really a bad idea to have an emergency fund for a pet (or just in general), but the rest of her behavior makes it seem like it's just a guilt trip to get money for more adoptables.

Re: Wow

[lunar-orchids.livejournal.com]

Honestly if she hasn't paid you for your work yet you could resell him. It's unfair for you to have to wait for a payment unless they contacted you about it already.

I'd just personally let them know that if they do not pay soon you'll be reselling the jar after to recoup losses on the work.

I personally always try to keep in contact with the people I work with letting them know when to expect payment after sketches are shown to me if I didn't have to pay until sketch approval and I always ask them to please invoice me accordingly so that it doesn't slip my mind either. You did do the work and a wonderful job I might add you should be paid accordingly

[vauvakolibri.livejournal.com]

Same, I have one too (though I mainly just consider it "savings"). Personally I wouldn't make/display it publicly though.

[thecreativepen.livejournal.com]

The issue I have with it is that she's begging for it while she still owes money.

[thecreativepen.livejournal.com]

Yeah, my only issue is that she has a habit of begging.

A just in case fund is good idea. You should have one BEFORE you get a pet, IMO, and replenish it as quickly as possible when you have to use it for your pet...begging constantly (and then not using the money for its intended purpose) makes me doubt she's actually using it for this fund.

I doubt she went through $300, when she said the vet visit was $50.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

"Rudeness will be blocked IMMEDIATELY."

One line later.

"fuck you.

Fuck your attitude

Fuck your rude ass comments.

Fuck.

You.

It's people like YOU who make people like me HATE THEMSELVES.

HATE THEIR ART.

HATE YOU. "

Wow. Just wow.

[likeshine.livejournal.com]

grrr, those big bad popufurs just stompin' the little guy for simply asking about brushes
/sarcasm

[aspenbear.livejournal.com]

i noticed that comment too. after someone noted her about the journal.
shes fond of coming up with side stories to cover her butt it seems lol
were you perhaps the one that she was complaining about?

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Oh, that bothers me so much =_=

[likeshine.livejournal.com]

actually, she did Note me to ask a question a few weeks ago, but was very polite. I answered, that was that. I just can't imagine someone actually being that venomous about brushes. It seems like complaining about how mean the "popfurs" are is a good rallying point for anyone on the site. Idk. Rambling now, sorry XD

[thaily.livejournal.com]

My guess is that Tooth. asked a question about brushes or whatever and the artist told them to browse them on DA, which is a perfectly valid answer, and then Tooth. took it as a hostile response and sent her own, prompting an even more hostile response etc.

But that's my guess, based on observation of unrelated but similar squabbles and people's tendency to only share the contents of the head and tail of an argument to sway opinion in their favor.

Re: Wow

[rueq.livejournal.com]

In the future I really do recommend you have a 'pay up front' policy or at least don't give people the large unwatermarked versions of designs until they pay :C (This is Dis by the way!)

[thegentilcat.livejournal.com]

That was disgusting. The rant, and all the folks who are blindly agreeing with her.

[tealmoonxiv.livejournal.com]

I can't say anything other than, DISGUSTING.

[tealmoonxiv.livejournal.com]

This should be screencapped.