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I was told to post this on here by a member of the Art Theft community. Recently, it’s been brought to my attention that a certain FA/DA user traces/greatly copies Jeremy Bernal’s artwork. Normally I wouldn’t be taking it to this level, but instead of giving credit to the original artist like I kindly ask, they go on a rage, delete all of their FA gallery, and become instantly hostile—her sister and her. She tried to lie and say “they were sketches from long ago” even though the ones that line up exactly are from 2010+. Even going so far as to write slander about me that I steal artwork, when none of my gallery has stolen art.

EDIT: Noxy has a new account here: ScarlettSnow
and lirienleigh here: Sprika and Strawberry-Massacare
Noxy is also earning money off of these with commissions.

The persons in question are The-Noxious-Syringe (da)/xX-Noxy-Xx (FA) and lirienleigh, though it’s mainly Noxy.

Here’s the first: http://i44.tinypic.com/2z3qdmw.png

http://the-noxious-syringe.deviantart.com/art/Relaxing-244253799?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Athe-noxious-syringe&qo=81

http://the-noxious-syringe.deviantart.com/art/WIP-286926181?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Athe-noxious-syringe&qo=1

And http://i44.tinypic.com/2dwe2l4.png

This: http://the-noxious-syringe.deviantart.com/art/collaboration-adoptable-286788534?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Athe-noxious-syringe&qo=2

And: NSFW http://i44.tinypic.com/25ujfc2.png

This: http://the-noxious-syringe.deviantart.com/art/lekazo-253386134?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Athe-noxious-syringe&qo=41

And this NSFW http://i39.tinypic.com/2iiibe8.png

This: http://the-noxious-syringe.deviantart.com/art/Hookah-244254185?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Athe-noxious-syringe&qo=80

And this: NSFW http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1483040/

Along with this: http://i40.tinypic.com/70yk5y.png

This: http://the-noxious-syringe.deviantart.com/art/coming-to-bed-244256675?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Athe-noxious-syringe&qo=73

http://i41.tinypic.com/30aqtzs.png

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1432650/

Someone mentioned this has a familiar pose in it on FA, and Noxy said yes, because they used a reference. However, they never cited where/what the reference was of. http://the-noxious-syringe.deviantart.com/art/Sam-and-vuku-244253540?q=sort%3Atime%20gallery%3Athe-noxious-syringe&qo=83

Since I don’t want to get banned for posting SF, I can’t post the original version of that.

I would not suggest commissioning Noxy, though the other girl doesn’t show any sign not to commission other than the fact that she’ll slander your name into the ground and white knight her sister if you try to bring up anything like this:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2yoy3q0.png

http://i42.tinypic.com/xli5g8.png

Not worth trying if they’re just going to do this to an innocent bypasser who saw something and had the guts to speak up. If you don’t want to deal with someone who REALLY exaggerates things, neither of them are right for you.

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If it's not too much trouble, could you invert what text is behind the lj-cut? (That is, putting the part with all the links behind the lj-cut and let the introduction appear at the beginning.) It's a bit overwhelming to see all the links first thing.

That aside, wow, some of those pictures match almost perfectly. And the reaction you got in the last link is almost surreal.

I thought I'd done before; I guess I was doing it wrong! XD

Thanks much!

lj-cuts can be very sneaky; they've tripped me up many times before.

You're welcome!

Thank you.
And I love how in both of your last screen shots, you are clearly the bad guy here! Can the FA admins do anything about the last profile if only to stem a tide of white knights coming after you since she put your name right in her profile?

I tried to be as polite as possible. I guess they took it wrong?

I did notify the FA administration via tickets, but I haven't gotten a response since.

When caught, some tend to get defensive/lash out and try to deflect the blame and guilt onto someone else. They're obviously the victims here, duh~

Edited because I realized my post might possibly be construed as an insult [maybe?], which is against the rules. :3

Edited 2012-03-03 01:56 (UTC)

Glad to see it posted here, hope it'll help deter people from doing business with them.

perhaps the situation could have been dealt with a bit better on all parties parts.
maybe you should also post some screen caps of the conversation you and i had on your picture, that sadly i did see used for a pose somewhere else.

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab33/sammileigh1131991/proofofharrassment.png

theres the conversation
and here is the second part showing what was and is on my old profile as of right now.

http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab33/sammileigh1131991/?action=view¤t=proofpart2.png

if anyone cares to read the comments you can see that both were in a bad mood and probably shouldn't have interacted at that point in time. the kicker would be the fact that you- OP- decided to hunt down my new account as well as my sisters. i know i have not spoken with you since the incident, nor have i done anything on my new account that would constitute this type of action on your part. i understand listing my sister here, since she did admit that her art was in fact traced, but im honestly at a loss as to why you would hunt me down as well to post such a vile post about. i would be more than happy for an explanation, or maybe if you would prefer to keep this out of the comments we can send messages back and forth to maybe clear up what you obviously thought was me slamming your name into the ground.

Edited 2012-03-26 17:46 (UTC)

The link to the first screenshot is too small. cannot read the text. Also, I wasnt in a bad mood at all. That's your perception misconstruing what obviously is someone trying to tell your sister what's wrong with what she's doing.
By the way, that's not harassment.

Please copy/paste the "slander" you see me posting on this website. Everything I've typed in this journal is so far true and no lies. :/ you did post that slander on your profile info, and that is what i linked it to. your sister has not removed the information on her profile.

I didnt hunt down your new accounts. I happened to see noxy posting on the front page, and that's when i discovered her. :/ other than that, i probably wouldn't have found you guys.

Im not saying anything about your new account, only that you have relocated to it. I mentioned you BECAUSE of that horrible stuff that you wrote on your fa profile, which was obviously SLANDER and lies. i had done nothing to you to deserve that sort of treatment. No one should have to be subject to that for no reason, hence why you've received a warning. I would definitely not want to deal with a commissioner who acts as immature as you did.

I didn't hunt you down, though, just to clear that up. :) When noxy posted on Scarlett, I found you.

Also, this post isn't "vile". It's revealing the truth, and I'm sure that to you, the truth hurts.

You WERE slamming my name into the ground by writing lies about me. Not one letter typed from me was involved in a lie. HOWEVER, you re sister continuously lied to me with what was traced and what wasn't.

Edited 2012-03-26 18:01 (UTC)

you had no right to post my new account on here at all though. i did not say anything to you after wards, and i left the situation alone. not once on my new account did i mention your name at all. there was no need to stoop to what you are doing. i use the word stood in reference to this post. sadly i find this not at all truthful. if you read what i posted i wasn't being mean, nor was i being immature as you think i was.
"i wish you all the best in your life outside of this little web site." was the last thing i said to you. i never once slammed you on my new profile. which im sure you can see since you have looked me up. the fact that you linked my new profile when i TRIED to walk away from this situation is sad.
and i didn't say you stole the art work we were commenting on. i said i noticed the pose used on another site. i was being honest. i wasn't trying to lie to you or re direct anything. i honestly want nothing more to do with this situation, and have tried to walk away from it, but you keep following me. i am asking this nicely. please leave me alone. i don't want anything else to do with you, or this whole mess of an argument over of all things, a few poses, and not even that of my own works. i do apologize for my behavior before, and im sorry its a bit late to come, however i was just now alerted to this site and wasn't aware exactly how irate you were at me. i do not think "white knighting" as you call it is bad, i think everyone needs someone to stick up for them, however i do know that i should have let my head cool down a bit before i even confronted you. then maybe i could have avoided this whole interaction with you at all. i will remove all mention of your name on my old profile, and in all honesty i thought it would have been banned long ago for this incident, so i haven't kept up with it actually being there. to go on further i will submit a public apology to you on my old account, since i do feel i was mainly in the wrong in our conversation. i hope that you continue to have a wonderful life.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/3303101/
is the journal. for you if you do not believe me. since my new profile has already had this attached to it, i will post it onto my new one as well. please feel free to look up Sprika on Fa if you do not believe me. i am if nothing else, and honest person when it comes to admitting im wrong and give out apologies when they are due.

I wish i was able to screenshot your sisters comments in respond to mine on her posts :/

thanks for the apology, though . while it took you a few months to get a response, and a beware tapered, your sister's is still going to remain forever lasting.

i have a feeling they were pretty bad XD
she is a bit hot-headed like myself... > >
it only took me a few months because i just now saw this o.o
by pure luck i might add XD
a friend linked my sister and then she linked me XD
i honestly didnt want to confront you again because i kept saying stupid things and count formulate anything close to a nice conversation.
T.T

(oh wow, I'm going to sound like a dick in this. i didnt read your journal until after i posted this. )

Actually, you have NO right to say I have no right to post your new account on here. I have EVERY right to post it on here, as you are involved in this mess--YOU involved yourself in this mess from the moment you posted on my "harpencool" image.

You didnt say anything to me afterwards, fine. but since you are involved in the situation between me and Noxy, you need to be mentioned. otherwise, not all the facts are present that give me more credibility.

I didn't say you mentioned my name on your new account. i was letting people know who you made your new account just in case you decide to treat anyone else like you did to me.

I'm not stooping to anything. You're SUPPOSED to leave the user's new account name if they make a new one. :/

>> i use the word stood in reference to this post. sadly i find this not at all truthful.

what are you talking about?

>>if you read what i posted i wasn't being mean, nor was i being immature as you think i was.

on your profile? if you're talking about your profile, then what your saying is a lie. You said I "harrassed" your sister, which i did not. i confronted her about her tracing. YOU THEN SAID "they try to ban others to cover up their own copyright infringement on other works of art" THIS IS SLANDER AND YOU CAN BE ARRESTED FOR IT. Unless you want to retract your statement, you are committing a crime. If it's not slander, then by all means, PLEASE provide three prime examples of how I "try to ban others" and three prime examples of my "copyright infringement".

>>"i wish you all the best in your life outside of this little web site." was the last thing i said to you. i never once slammed you on my new profile.
okay? i never talked to you once after our discussion was over until now. I HAVEN'T LOOKED YOU UP. I saw Scarlett (aka noxy) posting artwork on the front page of FA and then I viewed her profile. I did NOT contact her. i merely browsed through her gallery to make sure she was not posting the traced art i linked to in my LJ post. i viewed her profile as well, and was curious to see who the person was in her profile (which was you). i clicked it, and saw are that you've posted before on your old account. So in no way did I 'search' for you.

You did walk away from the situation, but you crawled right back when you commented on this journal. I did not bring up a conversation with either one of you people after you made new accounts. So basically, you're trying to start something again.

>>and i didn't say you stole the art work we were commenting on. i said i noticed the pose used on another site. i was being honest.

I never said you were accusing me of stealing artwork. I ASKED for some PROOF, or at least a reference, because I wasn't the one that had DRAWN THE LINEART. i told you this too but you didnt listen apparently. i'm the person that coloured it.

>>you keep following me
I didn't "keep following [you]", so stop w/that nonsense. I posted this and then froze me progression. you magically finding this and talking about it is starting it back up again. If you didn't comment on this, you probably would have never known that I had found your new account. In fact, that means you wouldn't be accusing me of "following you" right now. So I haven't acted SINCE THEN, and you need to stop.

I've left you alone since I made this post, so unless you continue this conversation, stop asking me to "leave you alone". you are the one bothering me now.

>> i do not think "white knighting" as you call it is bad,

it is BAD, because it represents the artist, and it makes them look bad.

Edited 2012-03-26 19:03 (UTC)

First off a lot of what you are saying is untrue. I didn't "Go on a rage and get hostile". There is a lot I must address here. For me 2010 is a long time ago. I haven't been digitally drawing very long. My days are very stretched out and boring considering I stay home and watch my son all day, every day. Hell even his birthday last month feels like forever ago. The drawings that were copies honestly were sketches. I used to practice drawing from other art and were mixed in sketchbooks with my own art. I would scan some in and digitally color it (which i recently learned how to do in the past year). When you found my page and commented on art which was one that apparently was JB's I immediately apologized and took it down. That's why I was deleting my work. Than you started calling me a liar and going full force attack at me that's why I got fed up and just got rid of my account. I was trying to resolve this issue and be nice about it when you were the one being hostile with me. You said to credit the artist but I was embarrassed that I didn't realize those were the ones that I had sketched from someone elses artwork that/s why I just took it down instead. I even explained it to you at the time.

I have never earned money off those copyrighted ones. MOST of the work I did for other people was free. Some of them wanted specific pictures with there character. For example the "Coming to bed" picture was for someone on gaiaonline.com and they wanted that exact pose of their character. I didn't realize I HAD to put that in the picture description. It's funny that you say I make money off of those because all except one of the pictures "Coming to bed free pic" were pictures I drew FOR MYSELF and were old sketches like i said. To you 2010 isn't that far away but it is when you're days are dull and drag on.

The "Sam and Vuku" picture someone claimed they saw it before, yeah well it was on my deviant art. I never said I used a reference for that picture. The only thing I did say was that I used a picture of a bed and blurred the background so I didn't have to draw a bed. I didn't realize that inserting a stock photo of a bed was 'art theft". That picture wasn't NSFW btw. It was my sister in a bra/panties while her husband was wearing pants.

Also quite funny you say I'll slander your name into the ground considering I NEVER said one bad word to you. I was trying to resolve this issue and apologized up and down, went out of my way to thank you for letting me know of a big mistake that i didn't realize I had made. Even through me trying to be nice about being so embarrassed about the situation you were being so horrible to me. My sister was just trying to be nice because I was all upset about this. Either way I don't care what you think. I know it was just a mistake and that's really all what matters.

i do not speak untrue. there is a thing called the right to a opinion. you were hostile towards me as i gathered from your sister, as well as from the naughty thing you had on your profile

"d on art which was one that apparently was JB's I immediately apologized and took it dow"

that is an absolute lie. you LIED TO ME and said something similar to "oh, it was something i did a long time ago".

" That's why I was deleting my work"
You only started to delete the artwork that I had to go out of my way to comment on, saying they were traced. you didn't delete any other artwork until you decided to delete all of it.

" Than you started calling me a liar and going full force attack at me that's why I got fed up and just got rid of my "

I called you a liar because you were blatently lying about this image: http://i39.tinypic.com/2iiibe8.png
you lied and said that you traced it from some "random image". the two images line up nearly perfectly. even if you traced it from some random image, you should have GIVEN CREDIT.

"I didn't realize I HAD to put that in the picture description"
i never said you had to. you HAVE to give credit to original image you trace from.

"t's funny that you say I make money off of those"
i do not see the joke in this situation. I said you made money off of your work, not did I point out any specific pieces. I was saying that even though you may not trace for commissions, there's always the reason to raise suspicions you traced for money because of the links above.

" To you 2010 isn't that far away but it is when you're days are dull and drag on. "

the years in which you did these do not have any effect on the situation whatsoever. it doesn't matter if you drew them a day or four years before, the same is the same.

i did not claim that the Sam and Vuku image was traced, i was merely raising a warning, as someone mentioned the thing.

" didn't realize that inserting a stock photo of a bed was 'art theft""

it is not, but it is not honorable if you don't link back to all stock you used, and is considered low.

"That picture wasn't NSFW btw"
I never said it was

"Also quite funny you say I'll slander your name into the ground"
I was not talking about you. i was talking about your sister "though the other girl doesn’t show any sign not to commission other than the fact that she’ll slander your name into the ground a"

"apologized up and down"
That is lying. You actually started being sort of rude in your replies to my comments i made on your artwork. it is a shame i do not have screenshots of it now that you have removed all evidence of your aggressive comments.

"you were being so horrible to me."
Horrible by asking to give credit to the original artist? I don't see that as being horrible, i see that as doing you a favour. someone else may have found out about it, and seeing that you didn't give credit, they'd automatically report you to staff. seeing how many images you've traced, they would have most likely suspended/banned your account lest they want a lawsuit from Bernal himself.

"because I was all upset about this"
I am aware. your sister told me about it when i asked her to let me talk to you to resolve this.

" I don't care what you think."
if you didn't care about what i think, you would not have responded to this live journal post, as you'd know to brush it off.

Yes I thought it something I did long ago because I told you at the time I had a shit ton of sketches in my sketchbook (some of JBs and some mine) which i said i didn't realize those were his because i learned to draw furries from practicing his. You know this because I told you a few times.

Yes I deleted the ones i had made a mistake on and after you were being so rude and hostile i said fuck this shit and just deleted the account and wanted to start new. and it was all at the same time. I deleted everything the same day, within a few hours since you seem a lack to remember.

Yes I did trace it from some random image. The girl on gaiaonline.com sent me a image of some mocha colored person (not sure lil kim or who) in a gold glitter/jewel bikini/bra set. long black wavy hair blah blah. It was an image they said they pulled off google images.

You made it appear to seem that the images were commissioned art. NO. It was art where someone WANTED an exact pose of their character/person where they send me an image of what they wanted and said to use the image. Just like JB kebell (not sure last part of s/n) wanted 2 pieces of art with specific poses from me. Nurse and standing at a railing WANTED me to use those exact poses of their calico cat. The ones of me that i had made a mistake for AND APOLOGIZED AND REMOVED and the ones requested were the only ones. I have never intentionally traced unless the person requesting art specifically wanted it. So no I don't make money by tracing but thank you oh so very much for implying it, ruining my name.

No the same is not the same. I told you I honestly made a mistake, said how sorry i was and removed them immediately because they were not my own. I never would have used my sketches if I had realized that they were not mine. Why are you so hot headed to not believe me? I tried so hard to correct the situation.

Well who in the hell would know that you have to link back to a stock photo of a damn bed?!?! As I said I am fairly new the the online art community. No one told me this nor would one think you would have to mention you used a stock photo of an inanimate object. -__-

I am not lying. I did apologize up and down but yes I was getting a little irritated because you were getting VERY rude and hostile with me as i TRIED to correct the situation.

No being horrible about this. This blog. I did apologize. You want to know why I didn't credit artwork when you told me about my mistake? Because they weren't my own drawings like I thought. I figured it would be much better to just take them down instead of the embarrassment of having such a huge mistake on my part, plus that way i wouldn't be tracing anyone's artwork. I truly thought it would have been better looked upon at deleting them, than just crediting. Sorry that you think that's a much worse thing to do!!! And if i had been banned well, than i would have found out than from the mods that i had made a mistake. I wouldn't have cared. At least they would have been nicer about telling me it.

Yes well I didn't want to talk at the time. Who would want to talk when their name is ruined for something unintentional.

No, I don't care what you think. I care what other people think. Now thanks to you everyone thinks I just copy other peoples work for money when that is clearly not the case.

"after you were being so rude and hostile"

i was not being 'rude and hostile'. i think i can recall what I typed, as it was pretty much the same thing: Could you give credit to the original artist for the pose you used?
something very similar to that. i know on one image i typed something different, something like: ahem jeremy bernal ahem please give credit

But nothing rude/hostile as you claim.

"I deleted everything the same day, within a few hours since you seem a lack to remember. "

no, i remember you deleting everything on the same day, which was uncalled for and i believed you to be overreacting. I asked for you to CREDIT the original artist for his work, but you refused to and instead removed the picture entirely. Why you deleted everything, i don't know.

"It was an image they said they pulled off google images. "

You should have asked her for the link if she did not provide one. That was most likely an image that you aren't allowed to use in any way possible unless you pay to use it, like bernal did. using it without the photographer's permission is so low and dirty.

"You made it appear to seem that the images were commissioned art. "
no i didn't. So stop that. /:

"It was art where someone WANTED an exact pose of their character/person where they send me an image of what they wanted and said to use the image. "

unless you're talking about every single link i posted, then you're lying.

"Nurse and standing at a railing WANTED me to use those exact poses of their calico cat. "

YOU SHOULD HAVE LINKED TO THE ORIGINAL PICTURE, OR GIVEN THE ORIGINAL ARTIST CREDIT. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT? THIS IS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, AND YOU ARE IN THE POSITION WHERE YOU CAN BE SUED FOR THIS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU MADE MONEY FROM IT OR NOT.

Don't you see? Bernal's works are made not for you to trace off of. By you tracing off of them, you have put yourself in the position where Bernal can easily win a lawsuit in court, and you will be sucked of thousands of dollars from your name.

"mistake for AND APOLOGIZED"
you never apologized.

"ones requested were the only ones"
that's a lie. you deleted all of your pictures. /:

"ruining my name. "
you ruined your own name by writing that about me in your profile. I would have never posted this journal if your sister didn't write that slander about me in her profile
(WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, ILLEGAL, AND I COULD HAVE TAKEN HER TO COURT ABOUT IT. By the way, I know where she lives, thanks to IP technology. Filing a lawsuit for writing slander isn't that far away. Not that it is worth it. she graciously apologized for what she did, unlike you, WHO IS CONTINUING TO WRITE LIES UPON LIES. Now you. you, i have the right to rat out to Bernal, who will do the suing for me.)

" how sorry i was"

you didn't say sorry

"ne think you would have to mention you used a stock photo "
if you don't want to be caught stealing another person's ideas. . .

"getting VERY rude and hostile"

I was getting "VERY rude and hostile" when you started to lie about your artwork

"I figured it would be much better to just take them down instead of the embarrassment of having such a huge mistake on my part, plus "
YEAH? THEN WHY'D YOU CALL ME A TWAT? THAT IS BEYOND DEGRADING, and when i was trying to save your ass from a lawsuit, you go around and delete everything childishly, going behind your sister who tried to protect you, but ended up apologizing after SHE REALIZED WHAT YOU HAD DONE.

" i wouldn't be tracing anyone's artwork"
thank you.

"At least they would have been nicer about telling me it. "
No they wouldnt have. from my niece's experience, once your banned, you can't check the note they sent you telling you why you were banned. so your SOL there.

"Who would want to talk when their name is ruined for something unintentional. "
You should be asking that to yourself. Your sister wrote SLANDER (which again is illegal), and you called me a TWAT. you should be ashamed of yourself.

" Now thanks to you everyone thinks I just copy other peoples work for money when that is clearly not the case."

apparently that's going to be the case for the rest of your life, you dishonorable person.

Also, stop trying to play "the victim" when I obviously know this is not how you acted. You acted so rudely, and your personality is evident in that rude comment you left in your profile when you deleted your artwork.

It should be known you never 'apologized' like you said. You were all like "god get off my ass", if I can recall correctly. I told you to stop talking to me so rudely. You didn't respond to my other comments to your pictures--you just deleted the picture.

Yes you said that at first, but after words you started getting rude because you thought I was lying.

No I didn't REFUSE to credit. I thought it would have been better if it was just deleted. Who would have known you would cause a whole shit storm for me correcting the situation. =/

Well who in the hell knew?! As i said before I didn't KNOW you had to credit a IRL picture of a person or inanimate object.

Jesus christ I love how you only quote part of what I'm saying so you can make it seem like I'm lying. I said the ones I made a mistake on were drawn for myself, and the others were where someone wanted an exact pose.

HOLY SHIT HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I DIDN"T KNOW!!!!!!
Clearly I know now and if i ever felt like drawing again I would credit the inanimate object or the picture someone wanted used. Stop acting like i'm continuing to keep making those mistakes but I'm not. Obviously i know now,..so please knock it off.

Yes I did apologize. The first few messages/comments we relayed I was "Oh my god I am so sorry. thank you so much for letting me know (blah blah insert the shit i already said before). " and I told you I was going to take them down because i didn't realize before what i had done. You got all in a huff about me not crediting and why would i just delete the picture.

See there you go quoting only parts again. Ha. Yes I deleted the ones you said i had made a mistake on THAN once you started getting hostile and stupid with me about how i wasn't crediting and just deleting i said FUCK THIS and just got rid of my account. I figured starting new wouldn't have been a big deal but apparently it is to you. You could clearly tell it was the same person i just wanted to start over with a new one without any mistake pics. Sorry that seems to piss you off so much.

Hey I didn't write shit about you in my profile! Oh but thanks, you write this about me because of what my sister did? Gee thanks because I had nothing to do with that!

So you're going to send those links to him because you don't believe me? WOW you are such a nice person. =/

I did say I was sorry. I kept saying it until you got pissy with me. You want me to Apologize again?! I'm sorry. I'm so fucking sorry I made a mistake. I'm so sorry that i didn't credit the artist but I honestly thought the art community would think it's better that it was just taken down instead of credited considering FA just takes those pics down instead of having ppl credit. Hence why i thought it was the better option to do. I'm sorry my sister got all in a huff because i was upset and she claimed you stole art to try and get back at you. I'm sorry about all this unwanted bullshit because all i wanted to do was draw. It was something nice that broke up my day but now i dont want to draw anymore because of the shit i get for it now. I'm sorry that you don't believe me and think i'm a complete liar because i'm not. I am sorry. I'm sorry JB, I'm sorry to myself because I never wanted this. Do you have any idea how pissed I am at myself for accidentally using someone elses art? Or not knowing you HAVE to credit for a stock photo of a bed, or a irl person picture you find on google/w/e? I never had someone tell me the online drawing rules, I know only what i've learned from people on DA or FA, or from my high school art teacher. Drawing was basically self taught. I never had anyone tell me the do's and dont's of this stuff.

No what's degrading is you not giving someone the benefit of the doubt. You were arguing and yelling at me through comments when I was TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS! deleting them is NOT childish. It was a better way of correcting the situation that i thought. and I'm sorry about calling you a "twat" I was upset and that was uncalled for. but if i was lying and truly an art thief wouldn't my WHOLE gallery been stolen? Not a few pieces out of hundreds? not the few free gaia online ones where they wanted the pose, or ones of myself which i already explained multiple times.

Well i didn't know that. I never had a problem with FA before. Since they wouldnt have told me thank you, for telling me but i wish it didn't have to come to all this. I really did think that deleting the word was looked better upon, than to leave it still up.

First of all, if you EVER want this to end on a good note ,i would suggest you keep your swearing to a minimum. You're giving a bad look on yourself, and i find it offending. /:

"Jesus christ I love how you only quote part of what I'm saying so you can make it seem like I'm lying."
i only quote the thing i respond to. However, if you would prefer i quote from start to finish, i will. it seems to make my post bigger, though, when i'm trying to get to the point about something you said in the sentence

" I figured starting new wouldn't have been a big deal but apparently it is to you. You could clearly tell it was the same person i just wanted to start over with a new one without any mistake pics."

i only posted your new account just to let people know.

"Sorry that seems to piss you off so much."
it did not make me angry, really. I was more of, "oh, she's posting again, i must make this clear in the lj post". if i did not, that would be pretty rude, as i made the post about you, so i should keep the people informed on how the situation is going.

"Hey I didn't write shit about you in my profile! Oh but thanks, you write this about me because of what my sister did? Gee thanks because I had nothing to do with that!"
No, i did not write this about you because of your sister. The reason I posted this was because of the things you wrote about me in your profile. had you not done something so brash, i would not have posted this, you could have removed the traced images with no sign of me, and I would have moved on. Instead, you decided to call me a twat: http://i40.tinypic.com/2yoy3q0.png That is what caused me to call out your actions.

Your sister? Actually, i had no intention to bring her into the mix. She posted on my 'harpencool' image, and we conversed for a while. she was quick to point fingers at me that i 'traced', when i told her that i did not draw the lines. she made hasty assumptions and the such. After the ordeal was over, i think i waited a few minutes, before clicking on her profile and seeing this: http://i42.tinypic.com/xli5g8.png Had she not typed that, she would not be mentioned in this journal. since she is related to you, and typed that up about me because of you, she was included in this journal. This journal is primarily about you, but i included her on the side because of the slander. I hope that clears some of things up

"So you're going to send those links to him because you don't believe me? WOW you are such a nice person. =/"
I said i could. you are committing a crime, after all. violating copyright laws.

" I'm sorry my sister got all in a huff because i was upset and she claimed you stole art to try and get back at you. "
Thank you.

"Drawing was basically self taught. I never had anyone tell me the do's and dont's of this stuff. "
i self taught myself too, and never had anyone talk to me about the "do's and dont's". i learned it by hand, i learned about copyright, and from seeing other people getting into trouble from things like this, I grew. oh wow, this sounds like the life story of Judge Joe Brown right now XD

"I know only what i've learned from people on DA or FA, or from my high school art teacher."
same here

"You were arguing and yelling"
arguing about you lying? Yes. Yelling? no. "yelling" wold be typing in all caps from what i've heard. if we want to get all technical, you can't yell in typing.

"if i was lying and truly an art thief wouldn't my WHOLE gallery been stolen? "
no. i never said you were an "art thief". im saying you are a tracer. an art thief is someone who steals other people's original art and claims it as their own hard work. you took the poses of other artists, and did not give credit. if you had given credit, this would not have happened. though you said you didn't know.

"I really did think that deleting the word was looked better upon, than to leave it still up. "
I am very thankful for this. It makes my day a bit brighter :)

"Rude comment? I just looked at my profile and didnt see anything."
Because you removed it, like above http://i40.tinypic.com/2yoy3q0.png
I mean, unless you are talking about right now, which your profile is not there. Then there is nothing. :)

Sorry i thought you were just quoting certain parts for a reason.

I know that you posted my new account because of that I was just stating at the time i was going to start a new account. I wasn't trying to hide I had a new one.

I already apologized about the name calling. I didn't remember I had posted that on my page. I thought you had ment in a comment. I must have deleted it the next day because it wasnt on there when I checked earlier.

I know why you posted her on here but she isnt really related to me but that is irrelivant.

I already explained to you plenty of times what happened. It WAS NOT intentional.

I wish i had known about all this before. I never went on art communities before because i only recently discovered digital drawing lol. For future reference is there by chance any other rules I should know? (besides the obvious) Because as for stock photos i didnt even know that >.<

Lol i know you cant type in yelling, certain things i hear in my head as yelling as i read them and the way it was worded it seemed liike "yelling" to me.

I know now i should have just given credit but i really thought that just deleting the art would seem more okay than saying "Hey i didnt know oops im a jerk"

and yeah the rude comment i must have went back and deleted it later. again im sorry about that. At least I didn't type your name on there though so no one knew who i was talking about >.

Oh just letitng you know (since you have to put it up) i do have another account Neon_pixels that i use just to sell random things (clay figures tails etc.) =3

Ok, thank you for letting me know! :) it's good to know that this has been resolved? :)

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What my sister said I had nothing to do with. I do not make her say things. She was just trying to..make me feel better? or help the situation, which we both handled improperly but still. I think she took it down, not sure I haven't talked to her in a few days. and I apologized about what i called you. It was uncalled for and I am sorry.

No I am the victim because I tried to fix it, yes i did get upset and said something i shouldnt have but i tried to fix it and you kept pushing things further, just look at this journal. I didn't deserve that. Rude comment? I just looked at my profile and didnt see anything. At the time I think i put " Left this profile due to something happening blah blah find me at this email" something like that. I didnt say anything negative about you.

I dont recall saying "God get off my ass" but if i did it was probably because you started being rude. and i would comment back, waited a few minutes than deleted the picture like i said i would. Sorry you didn't get to see my replies in time? and some yeah i probably deleted after you commented because it was a mistake pic. Oops was i not supposed to correct the situation?

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