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WHO: Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).

WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".

WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.

As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.

These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]

Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]

Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg

Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg

Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg

Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]

Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.

Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.

As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.

Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.

Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.

Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

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Oh! Thank you! That helps tons to know.

I wish I had the ability to edit my posts because I really REALLY am on the fence about whether this is tracing. YES, I can see how it might look like it, but... IDK. I think a better post would have been "Is this Tracing Awareness Month? So many people are being reported here for it recently..."

Two things that are bothering me at this point:

1) At a glance, your FA apology is nice and all, but you do not clearly retract your accusations. You apologize for acting aggressively, only mention being wrong about one specific picture, and that's pretty much it. You've been asked for and may have noted the artist's name to a bunch of people, so instead of the vagueness, at least spell out to your readers that your proof doesn't hold up.

2) Have you contacted the admins and let them now that their warning is based on distorted (literally) evidence?

"it seems many want to now paint me in a bad light)"

The only one 'painting' you in a bad light would be yourself. Even now, you are trying to act like a victim with such statements when you were the one at fault throughout all of this as the new evidence shows. So please, stop trying to push the blame on others for your own actions.

Ah okay so you were shrinking or enlarging them so both pictures were the same size for the overlays, and because the proportions weren't locked they all got skewed a bit lengthways? That makes sense. Gotcha.

If admins are issuing warnings/bans for distorted evidence, I am now afraid to submit ANYTHING, because someone out there who dislikes me will warp and distort a picture to make it look like a trace, subsequently getting me banned.

I'm not sure I've seen anyone attack Acorn and I've been reading most of these threads. Could you please point me to such a comment?

Well, Kee hasn't gotten banned yet. If this does go through to one of the mods, hopefully they'll be pointed to this article and it will be cleared up.

I wonder if Kee knows about this.

Can you see the ratios when using the transform tool in SAI? Like, does it say "95% x 102%" or something like that?

THIS....was yet another thing I was concerned about. If you look hard enough, even when it's not there...you can find it.

As far as I've noticed no, I don't see anything giving percentages like that while using the transform tool.

According to Acorn Kee got a warning. I don't know who to contact, or really if it's any of my business to do so..

I thought something about #5 hurt my head. Now I know what.

All I can do is sigh heavily.

Kee got a warning from the mods? Was this before or after the tracing allegations were proven false?

After. http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/542457.html?thread=20389113#t20389113
But more proof they were distorted was found AFTER the comment, so the admins do need to be contacted.

BEFORE*

I have to agree, while it's obvious some images may be inspired, I don't think it was a direct trace. Even frankensteining only a few lines add up, and they're lines are are rather crucial to the human form that never really change. There's only so many ways to draw a waist, and if she's getting inspiration from these people, of course her style with somewhat mimic theirs.

Heck, I could probably google some poses and have them match up with my own images, which I KNOW I didn't trace.

I've had someone call out a friend for tracing before too, and they found a pretty damn close overlay, but I know for a fact she didn't trace either.

Either way, just my two cents even though the whole thing is over and done with.

Then I partially retract my statement of her distorting it intentionally. She probably tried to make the pictures fit unconsciously while she was scaling them. Still, I have a hard time believing she wouldn't have noticed the distortion of some of them. http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example5acorn.gif This one in particular has a huge distortion that I don't think she could not notice, sick or not.

I sell art online myself, so I'm fairly informed about how it works, thank you.

Well the artist doesn't seem to be getting any flack from anyone besides Acorn and a few other people, hm? Nah, not really.

So yeah, it's not affecting anyone here personally, so people shouldn't be that fired up about it.

No one will remember by next week anyways.

I really don't think Acorn intentionally distorted them as well. SAI does some really super smooth resizing and may have been hard for her to notice, so I believe her when she says she wasn't aware that you could hold shift to keep it from distorting.

I think because of how she feels about this person, not so much that she was sick, she just became over zealous when she thought she was finding multiple traces and didn't realize just how much distortion was going on. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt in this case.

For the record, I've never had a problem with this in SAI. SAI's scale tool works the same as Photoshops.

Since someone here told me how to use shift to preserve aspect ratio, I went and created more overlays using Sai's transform + shift key.

This one is still dead on through most of the hips/waist/body, and I think she did intentionally trace that one because of who it was for and the fact that I drew it.
http://i43.tinypic.com/55oxgo.jpg

I did it with this one just to test it with other images, and I do see where it may have gotten distorted in my initial post. Looking at it now, it's either a trace that was heavily modified, or just heavily referenced.
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg (sorry for not fixing the color of it to be unsaturated like my initial post).

Anyways, I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused, and I want to thank you all for helping me to see I was wrong and also showing me how to retain proper proportions when scaling things.

I would have done this earlier, but I was gone out of town for awhile.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how your example is even remotely close to tracing. I'd say referenced, but the inner thighs being "in the same area" and the tiny spots of overlap aren't even close. That would be referencing. What the accused has done is flat-out tracing. Look at http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg for example - i fail to see how referencing would get the spacing between the lines for the hips so exact. It's one thing to have one line that matches up, but two plus the spacing and proportions to match? I don't know about that.

Yes, proportions are relatively standard in bodies. And I think that pasting of the OP's art over a random photo was flimsy at best. Nothing matched up but that little line in the back, and the examples of tracing given here match up in many more points.

Hips and waist aren't always easy. It depends on the positioning and how the torso twists (if it twists, that really throws off the ribcage relative to the pelvis). Plus distances between the iliac crests can be different two, such as two women have the same height proportions, but one has narrower hips.

http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

I fail to see how this one just happened to match proportion, distance between lines (as in one side of the hip to the other), AND lines. A line on the back? Okay, I'll admit that's a little bit weak. But I have a particular problem with this one.

I really just have a hard time when lines match up so close, it can't all be just eyeballing.

But it seems I'm the minority here, so I guess I'll just leave this be. I've said my piece. Granted, the evidence could possibly have been presented tighter, but it is what it is.

The first one doesn't match at all. I had to do the overlay myself to see it, but the lines near the bottom of the picture may look like they match, but in reality Kee's hips are more straight while the other person's is curved. The only reason they look like they match is because you can't tell which line belongs to which artist. Kee's supposed traced line was actually part of the other drawing.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg696/scaled.php?server=696&filename=overlayn.png&res=medium

Plus, it's a sketch, so it's a lot easier to say they do match since the lines are messy.

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