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[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

WHO:  Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom


WHERE:  http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).

WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".


WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.


As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.


These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]



Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]



Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg




Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg



Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg



Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]




Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.


Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.



As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.

Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg  [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg   [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.


Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.



Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg



http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

Comments

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

I don't see why friends shouldn't chime in, it's when they take things personally or go on a warpath it gets problematic.

[ocelotish]

Fair enough and I don't think there should be a rule about, but avoiding chiming in keeps me off the personal/warpath, where it often goes. It just helps me avoid the possibility of white knighting.

[fastbreak333.livejournal.com]

Maybe I would, but I'd honestly refrain. When friends suddenly pop up to defend a person, it usually makes things worse. There's now two sides that are going to go back and forth: one that asserts she's not right and one that's just defending a friend. All it would cause is more fighting.

Again, your friend has to handle this by herself. She's an adult and she can take care of herself. If you want to sympathize and comfort her, that's fine, but don't fight her battles or you'll get sucked into something manic.

[fastbreak333.livejournal.com]

Pretty much this. It's one thing to be moral support, it's another to fight a friend's battles for him or her.

[ducttapeninja.livejournal.com]

Honestly, what's done is done-- The drama regarding you here is pretty much over, from what I could see. Acorn dragging your name back into this stuff just makes her look bad. I don't really see how it would make you look worse, considering you've already apologized for your situation and (to my knowledge) have been working on that. :3 Try not to worry about it too much.

On a slightly off-topic note, I hope your cold gets better!

(frozen comment)

[ananamoos.livejournal.com]

Does no one see the 'people attacking Acorn is silly, Acorn is silly, everyone is silly"?

I don't know Acorn at all.

[ljmydayaway.livejournal.com]

Perhaps not attacking, but what you said to me was, in my opinion, quite rude: "As for them being on par, no they aren't. Though I know some people have trouble differentiating huge style and anatomy jumps, so I don't hold that against you in any way."

I'm an artist who is only just now seeing advances in my own artwork, but who has no problem seeing it in anyone else's. I find this comment to have been completely unnecessary.

In regards to people holding your relationship with the tracer against you, I don't know you or the artist being implicated. The only knowledge I have is what you've offered in this post.

There's no hypocrisy. It's just that there's nothing that matches up that you've shown as "proof". None of the lines match, the "points" that match would match between nearly all artists, because most people's anuses are in the same spot. @ _@

I lined up one of the images of hers (which you included here) that was similar to a pose I've drawn, and the hips matched up exactly without resizing. I really doubt that she traced off of me, and I didn't trace off of her (I've never even seen her art before). My art over hers makes a much more convincing argument than any of the overlays you posted. :P

[ljmydayaway.livejournal.com]

Thanks to A_B, I've now learned I can scale w/proportions in Sai using the shift key. *heart* Thank you.

[disidi.livejournal.com]

For what it's worth I agree with you and I can't comprehend why people are disagreeing. To be fair I know nothing about any parties. I wonder where the grudge is actually laying, here-- from an outsider perspective it sounds like the comm is grudge-y at this OP. I'm hoping that's not the case and I absolutely agree that this picture is a blatant trace job. I'm very dumbfounded by people denying that.

[ocelotish]

I didn't know anyone involved in this (I'm not on FA), however, I was personally getting pretty frustrated with the OP misrepresenting what was being said.

I also did a break down of why I consider that to not be as conclusive as you do - http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/542457.html?thread=20429561#t20429561 You don't have to agree, but it might help to see what I'm looking at when I say that it's not lining up. (Not to mention the one posted above had been further distorted.) The first one is the green dog overlay.

The other thing is that I literally cannot think of a reason why anyone would trace like that. The artist knows enough to have the landmarks, so she knows the torso so it's not an anatomy crutch, they're different enough that it doesn't seem like it would be tracing due to lack of self-confidence, and it would take longer to trace and alter it that much in a simple rather than to just draw it from scratch so it's not due to laziness/time-constraints. If you have insight into why this would happen, please let me know, but for me it doesn't hold water technically or psychologically. It doesn't make sense.

After watching this unfold..

[thaily.livejournal.com]

I've noticed the OP has been edited to remove information, notably that Kee used to be a roommate and that Acorn never saw her trace while they lived together, but now she's suddenly tracing?
The removing of information that collaborates with the suggestion that there is personal drama that plays a significant role here is highly suspect, though not as suspect as the tampered overlays; skeevy and disgusting.
No amount of "I'm sick! I have a cold! I was shaving my hamster!" bullshit excuses is going to convince me Acorn did not knowingly and maliciously try to commit libel against Kee. And her continued insincere "apologies" aren't winning her any points either, clearly the only person she's trying to excuse of blame is herself.
Sadly for her, no amount of FA buttbuddies riding to whiteknight her are going to undo the damage Acorn is doing to herself.

Beware well earned, clearly it's wise to avoid even social contact with Acorn, lest she turns on you and tries to publicly trash your artistic reputation over some perceived personal slight.

[thejeweledhorn.livejournal.com]

Unrelated tangent, could you explain your argument in terms of different body shapes and size? Wouldn't the 1:1 scale and finding the same overlap between different pictures of hips require all bodies to be the same?

[lemon-dip.livejournal.com]

will do, thank you! :] I just have just wanted to avoid being brought into any sort of drama and surprised she brought up my name after saying I do not want to be involved. She was just really upset and frustrated so I am not angry.

Oh and thank you again! I am feeling a bit better today, just hacking up ...stuff nonstop. Icky.

[jono-m.livejournal.com]

Yeah unlike others I do see the tracing and uhh if I was trying to hide the fact or I had a certain body type in mind I would stretch and rotate the pictures to do so.

[peludrax.livejournal.com]

I dunno if I see tracing so much as overused poses that are bound to overlap at some point. Go on DA and look up half these poses and you'll find photos that with a bit of nudging you can line up similarly, that's the problem really.

That and add the fact that the bits supposedly traced make no sense to BE traced it just...comes off odd. Tracing the middle of a figure and not the rest? Why would you do that? Tracing a whole arm/leg maybe, but just a tiny portion of a drawing? THAT is where I'm failing to make the correlation. You go through enough peoples art of similar character types and you will find similarities like the above.

[peludrax.livejournal.com]

* Claps* Good job on just ostracizing ANYBODY who would have been sympathetic to her that was on the borderline, your post should be capped and placed on the main page on "how not to defend a friend".

If she had come here, calmly stated her case, not doubled back, edited, and re-edited while making wishy washy journals on FA of how people dare not agree with her, she would have been taken seriously. Acting like a child when people don't agree with you and sicking others on them to point out passive aggressively how everyone is an idiot who disagrees and how there must be a conspiracy...just what? All people wanted was simple clarification, she couldn't provide it, therefore, people became suspicious.

Finding the false evidence, irregardless of if she knew ( Checking it would have been nice) was further damming for her case, adding in the fact that she has a personal grudge a mile long with this person ( relevant in this case as to the motives of the OP) And *just* got back from a suspension on FA for harassing this person and calling her out on FA...I mean...any logical person can put two and two together, even if her original intent was to bring a tracer to light.

Tracing is a VERY serious allegation that requires concrete evidence to prove, these poses are all basic, commonly used poses with only partial match ups in places that make no sense to have traced. An entire arm or leg matching perfectly might be enough to sway me, but tiny bits of the pose? I went to DA and looked up similar ref images and with very little effort could match up parts of the images to Acorns art. That said, no evidence has been concretely provided that shows *CLEARLY* tracing has occurred, referencing yes, but actual tracing? No.

Anyhow, I've rambled enough, and seriously, next time before you come in, insult a bunch of peoples intelligence and claim " conspiracy theory" in defense...just don't.

Re: After watching this unfold..

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Please do not use the term "buttbuddies" to describe some of the commenters here. It is insulting and inappropriate.

[disidi.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately I have no grounding in proof so whatever I say won't matter much compared to overlays etc, but I used to trace exactly in this way when I was 15 or so; I would Frankenstein or trace "just the thigh" or "just the chest/armpit area" etc. Tracing "just the torso" is absolutely something that's done by people who aren't quite as confident. For me it's always been shoulder areas, though I would never trace nowadays, I'd trace shoulder/neck/chest regions back 9-10 years ago without hesitation. Additionally it's blatant that they are "inspired by" the poses that the match-ups come from.

Either way it doesn't matter in the long run, as the majority have deemed it not tracing. But I have absolutely seen (and taken part in) this sort of tracing over the years.

(frozen comment)

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

You are just insulting everyone who commented here seriously by belittling their discussion. I am freezing this thread, and this is a warning to refrain from making insulting generalizations.

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it must be REALLY annoying to be dragged into this 8/

feel better 8x everyones been getting sick where i am lately.

Re: After watching this unfold..

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Pardon me.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Not just that, but if you stretch your source material you're ruining the anatomy and proportions, making it pointless to trace anyway.

[zackfig.livejournal.com]

I believe the saying "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" applies here.

tracinnggg, wee.

[lolkee.livejournal.com]

I had 4 new notes on FA when I returned from a short break. I checked out the links given, and all I can do is find it so humorous. I'm not a tracer.

I will admit, now, and in the future, I will draw things that look like a 5 year old crapped them out compared to my most recent works, but that's due to not only art block, which I seem to go through OFTEN, and sheer lack in effort. I admit, I didn't give a crap about how the sketches turned out back when, people gave me their money and that's all I wanted.

I went through a period of indecision on whether or not I should even ever draw again because I stopped finding interest in it.

I'm just surprised, more than anything, that you're STILL trying your hardest, Acorn, to try and slander my name.

Not to drag in the unnecessary, but this is getting out of hand. You need to grow up and leave me alone, like I've done you.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2947590/

The above is my response to the tracing allegations. To those of you who wish to take Acorn's side over mine, go right ahead. Just stop watching me, if you are, stop posting on my page, art, whatever. I obviously don't need watchers like you.

I've done pretty good so far ignoring everything everyone has been coming to me with, but this is just plain ridiculous.

Peace out. I:

Re: tracinnggg, wee.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Just wanted to link you to this discussion on copyright permissions on Pixelovelies (http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/531656.html?thread=19646664#t19646664), considering you used several photos from that site. Just acknowledging your sources may not be enough, depending on the photographer.