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WHO: Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).

WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".

WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.

As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.

These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]

Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]

Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg

Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg

Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg

Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]

Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.

Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.

As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.

Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.

Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.

Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

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This whole thing feels a little stretched to me in most cases. In a few I'm not sure I even see the "traced" lines.

I'm sorry, I'm not wholly convinced this is tracing. As far as I can tell it could be referential (how does this person handle a post like this?), but I'm not buying that it's traced, or if it is that it's enough to even be copyright infringement.

I'm not saying anything about copyright infringement, I just think people should be warned that they are buying mostly traced art. In many of the cases, the lines match perfectly (the ones off mine, the shoulder and ribcage off one of Dipper's, the back and stomach off another of Dipper's, the back and stomach off Shopenhauer's). I can provide more overlays to show differing opacity's and how perfectly they line up if necessary.

I'm sorry, can you give me the numbers you're referring to me?

I can see what you're looking at, but I'm just still not 100% convinced. They seem like general enough areas that it could be chance or reference instead of tracing. Besides, why would any one trace the easier parts of a drawing? In the eighth drawing (with the foot, probably the hardest thing to draw you have an overlay of), I'm noticing in every single overlay how much they don't line up line for line.

Again, that's why they are known as "frakenstein" traces, taking certain parts of an image, rotating the image, or drawing other parts.

The ones I'm talking about are 2 (the one I caught on the first page that made me suspicious and the reason I was able to find the rest), 5, 6, 7, and 8. I also supplied more overlays at the bottom with varying opacities to make it easier to see for two of them.

If they were just referenced, there's no reason that the lines from one side of the body to the next would match so perfectly (the stomach and back ratio and the hip to hip ratio).

Yes, but why would you choose to copy the hips, waist, butt, etc. when there are more difficult areas like the hand?

I can see what you're looking at, I know what a frankenstein trace is, I just disagree.

Now in my mind, that would be the easiest parts to line up of two pieces created independently are large general features like the hips and stomach. There's not a lot of detail there, so you and position one hip and scale around it until the other fits. If the artist did reference the pieces in question (reference not trace) that might explain everything else (similar shoulder placement. The same could happen if the artists referenced the same photos (I don't see either people referencing, but that doesn't rule photos out either).

Also, I really don't appreciate your comment about a_b in your journal: "I like the hypocrisy in attacking one artist for tracing some eyes, but when someone does partial traces of bodies, it's AWWWWWWWRIGHT. Good job, furries."

Artists_beware is not some monolith or hive mind. It's a community made of individuals with different opinions who look critically at everything posted. In some cases the community may not agree. What you have posted is pretty non-definitive, and you're getting bent out of shape that people here have the nerve to disagree with you? For being so worried about getting personally attacked or think people would assume it's a personal vendetta, you sure are taking disagreement quite personally.

I am at a loss why matching lines are tossed out the window and claimed to be "just referenced". The lines should not be a perfect match if it was just a reference.

I'm not in the greatest of moods to start with, but this blatant disregard for perfectly lined up and matched body parts is irritating and just allowing someone to get away with being lazy in their artwork.

Yes, I am irritated and expressing that in my own journal, after seeing a friend get torn apart for tracing eyes while this is being let go of as if it's nothing.

How is this perfectly lined up?! http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg (NSFW) Honestly! Tell me because I'm at a complete and total loss.

I'm not in the greatest of moods to start with

Not to be rude, but that doesn't matter, you chose to post here knowing what mood you were in. If you can't take civil disagreement, then you probably shouldn't post here in the first place.

Yes, I am irritated and expressing that in my own journal, after seeing a friend get torn apart for tracing eyes while this is being let go of as if it's nothing.

This is sounding more and more grudgey by the moment. What your friend did has nothing to do with what this person did or did not do. That doesn't change you being rude towards this community.

I hate to do this, but here's what it seems like you're pointing to as evidence of tracing: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Celarania/Sample.jpg (NSFW) Notice how the butt, back, and even the space between the legs line up. And this was done without real time scaling and rotation in gimp, I probably could have gotten closer still in photoshop.

Now I don't think that you did trace that or have ever even seen that photo, but I could get a few areas to line up well, with the same ratio. If I could do that with a photo you've never seen, this artist could easily have what you're doing with references either to the art in question or to the same reference, or whatever.

What about the fact that the artist I've mentioned is watching all of those artists except for me and Dipper, and she favorited the drawing titled Lydia that I did months ago, and the other image was my featured submission for months?

And I don't think I even need to mention the fact that my drawing and that photo don't look anything alike or match, while all the images I've provided do.

That said, I am bowing out of this discussion and redacting my allegations of tracing since so many people here feel that, even though lines match up perfectly, it's not tracing because it's only the waists/hips/other small areas.

You're right, and in my first comment I said she may be referencing them!

It looks just about as similar to me, and as I said, I don't have photoshop where I can really nail the scales. Also the back line is very similar to your drawing.

Many people here feel like they do not match up! Do not try to twist this into you being right, but people just excusing it! That's not what's happening! People are doubting your evidence not whether the tracing is alright or not! We're doubting the "crime" being committed at all, not whether it's done for an acceptable reason.

Also, what I posted doesn't even line up: http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png (NSFW) this much?

I'm going to have to agree with you for the most part,

I provided more overlays to two of the images in varying opacities to make it easier to see how perfectly the lines match.

If it was just a reference or similar pose, there's no reason the hip to hip or stomach to back ratio would match so perfectly in almost all of them.

*Pose not post!