Fancy-Fancy
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WHO: Fancy-Fancy
WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/fancy-fancy
WHAT: Two Milkcrown commissions Fancy and I had agreed to share.
WHEN: Beginning in June of 2013 to Present
PROOF: Screenshots of notes. I also have Skype logs and Paypal info, but this should be sufficiently damning.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uacrnm82pm5kc33/proof1.jpg
Fancy notes me about the price of the two commissions we were to split.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k86r918o1squkwa/proof2.jpg
Fancy tells me what his paypal is so that I can send him the money- 85$.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/50f0on0n83b4fge/proof3.jpg
I ask him if he's received my money.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/377jcr1i9l13nlx/proof4.jpg
Fancy tells me that he has received my money.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u38x84kuaasyjlc/proof5.jpg
Fancy confirms that he's sent the money to Milkcrown.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yc3k1lmxk3ghgjv/proof6.jpg
Fancy shows me the sketch that he received from Milkcrown for approval.
At this point, several months go by. Every time I ask Fancy about the status of the commissions, he dodges my questions. Eventually, I begin to suspect he's stolen my money, and I ask send a few notes to Milkcrown to gather evidence.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1a9hp9d8d7gwp3w/proof7.jpg
This is pretty damning evidence.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1ckl58d4bt6akw/proof8.jpg
Milkcrown explains that Fancy specifically requested the pictures NOT be posted.
EXPLAIN: Click below for my side of the story.
I'll do my best to keep this brief.
Fancy-Fancy and I began communicating early in June 2013. We hit it off big time, and began to flirt. I'll give him this: he's very charming. I was infatuated with him. So much so that when he offered to split two Milkcrown commissions with me for half the cost (85$ total for me), I agreed. He said that he had already paid Milkcrown, so all I had to do was pay him the difference. It took a week or so to iron out the details of what we wanted, and then I sent him my money. A while later, I received the sketch, as normal. Everything looked fine.
But then weeks went by, which turned into months. I noticed several times that MilkCrown was selling more commissions, though mine had not been finished. Fancy-Fancy was no longer in any of Milkcrown's commission-status lists. Suspecting that something had happened, I asked Fancy about it. But he dodged my question. I asked him again and again over the next couple of months, but always he dodged the questions. Finally, I asked him bluntly if he'd stolen my money. At that point, he blocked me, deleted my comments, and deleted my shouts.
I sent notes to Milkcrown to try to figure out what had happened. Milkcrown tells me that Fancy received the commissions that he had paid for and that he had specifically requested those commissions not be posted or shared.
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UPDATE: I've been in contact with Milkcrown since I wrote this journal. He has shared with me the pictures that Fancy got. I'll include them below- they are Not Safe for Work.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xhkez01caoiut5/fancy%20fancy%20commission2%20color.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6cbugh6liyc5mqh/fancy%20fancy%20comission%202%20full%20color%202.png
As you can see, though I paid for half of each of these, neither contains my characters.
UPDATE2: I have been approached by someone else who claims they were given the same deal as me and also paid Fancy money, which means these commissions may be 100% stolen, not 50%. I'll have screencaps as soon as they're available to me.
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Recently, I've discovered that I may not the only one he's done this to. I've found no less than 8 different people (and probably more) that have had issues with Fancy-Fancy in the past, and at least 1 other who had been offered the same split-a-milkcrown-commission deal, but didn't take it.
Fancy-Fancy is a thief. The screencaps above prove it, and others should know.
UPDATE: Click below to see my confrontation with Fancy, on 2/13/14
Fancy-Fancy has finally gotten back in contact with me.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek6l4bmbms9yik4/ff1.jpg
After our conversation, he unblocked my Furaffinity in order to send me this.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7eo80ebqbg93mjl/apology.jpg
I replied, and promptly blocked him. I hope that we'll see him here on A.B. soon.
Clearly, Fancy-Fancy is not interested in resolution. I absolutely believe he will continue to scam whoever he can get away with stealing from. Be extremely cautious with this individual.
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FINAL UPDATE:
Thank you, everyone who helped me with my awareness campaign on Furaffinity. My strategy consisted of journals promoting awareness of Best Practices in commissioning with links to this Artist's Beware article as an example. Unfortunately, but understandably, some readers became upset and felt very passionately about this issue and confronted the Fancy directly. This was against FA ToS and CoC, and I have never condoned it. But I understand it.
Fancy-Fancy has returned the 85$ to me through paypal today, 2/14/14. This particular issue is resolved, but I would absolutely encourage anyone else who has been affected by this person to step forward, screen cap their own evidence, create their own articles, and continue to Beware.
[I will post screen caps here of proof of repayment and Fancy's final words on the subject as soon as I can]
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WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/fancy-fancy
WHAT: Two Milkcrown commissions Fancy and I had agreed to share.
WHEN: Beginning in June of 2013 to Present
PROOF: Screenshots of notes. I also have Skype logs and Paypal info, but this should be sufficiently damning.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uacrnm82pm5kc33/proof1.jpg
Fancy notes me about the price of the two commissions we were to split.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k86r918o1squkwa/proof2.jpg
Fancy tells me what his paypal is so that I can send him the money- 85$.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/50f0on0n83b4fge/proof3.jpg
I ask him if he's received my money.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/377jcr1i9l13nlx/proof4.jpg
Fancy tells me that he has received my money.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u38x84kuaasyjlc/proof5.jpg
Fancy confirms that he's sent the money to Milkcrown.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yc3k1lmxk3ghgjv/proof6.jpg
Fancy shows me the sketch that he received from Milkcrown for approval.
At this point, several months go by. Every time I ask Fancy about the status of the commissions, he dodges my questions. Eventually, I begin to suspect he's stolen my money, and I ask send a few notes to Milkcrown to gather evidence.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1a9hp9d8d7gwp3w/proof7.jpg
This is pretty damning evidence.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1ckl58d4bt6akw/proof8.jpg
Milkcrown explains that Fancy specifically requested the pictures NOT be posted.
EXPLAIN: Click below for my side of the story.
I'll do my best to keep this brief.
Fancy-Fancy and I began communicating early in June 2013. We hit it off big time, and began to flirt. I'll give him this: he's very charming. I was infatuated with him. So much so that when he offered to split two Milkcrown commissions with me for half the cost (85$ total for me), I agreed. He said that he had already paid Milkcrown, so all I had to do was pay him the difference. It took a week or so to iron out the details of what we wanted, and then I sent him my money. A while later, I received the sketch, as normal. Everything looked fine.
But then weeks went by, which turned into months. I noticed several times that MilkCrown was selling more commissions, though mine had not been finished. Fancy-Fancy was no longer in any of Milkcrown's commission-status lists. Suspecting that something had happened, I asked Fancy about it. But he dodged my question. I asked him again and again over the next couple of months, but always he dodged the questions. Finally, I asked him bluntly if he'd stolen my money. At that point, he blocked me, deleted my comments, and deleted my shouts.
I sent notes to Milkcrown to try to figure out what had happened. Milkcrown tells me that Fancy received the commissions that he had paid for and that he had specifically requested those commissions not be posted or shared.
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UPDATE: I've been in contact with Milkcrown since I wrote this journal. He has shared with me the pictures that Fancy got. I'll include them below- they are Not Safe for Work.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8xhkez01caoiut5/fancy%20fancy%20commission2%20color.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6cbugh6liyc5mqh/fancy%20fancy%20comission%202%20full%20color%202.png
As you can see, though I paid for half of each of these, neither contains my characters.
UPDATE2: I have been approached by someone else who claims they were given the same deal as me and also paid Fancy money, which means these commissions may be 100% stolen, not 50%. I'll have screencaps as soon as they're available to me.
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Recently, I've discovered that I may not the only one he's done this to. I've found no less than 8 different people (and probably more) that have had issues with Fancy-Fancy in the past, and at least 1 other who had been offered the same split-a-milkcrown-commission deal, but didn't take it.
Fancy-Fancy is a thief. The screencaps above prove it, and others should know.
UPDATE: Click below to see my confrontation with Fancy, on 2/13/14
Fancy-Fancy has finally gotten back in contact with me.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek6l4bmbms9yik4/ff1.jpg
After our conversation, he unblocked my Furaffinity in order to send me this.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7eo80ebqbg93mjl/apology.jpg
I replied, and promptly blocked him. I hope that we'll see him here on A.B. soon.
Clearly, Fancy-Fancy is not interested in resolution. I absolutely believe he will continue to scam whoever he can get away with stealing from. Be extremely cautious with this individual.
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FINAL UPDATE:
Thank you, everyone who helped me with my awareness campaign on Furaffinity. My strategy consisted of journals promoting awareness of Best Practices in commissioning with links to this Artist's Beware article as an example. Unfortunately, but understandably, some readers became upset and felt very passionately about this issue and confronted the Fancy directly. This was against FA ToS and CoC, and I have never condoned it. But I understand it.
Fancy-Fancy has returned the 85$ to me through paypal today, 2/14/14. This particular issue is resolved, but I would absolutely encourage anyone else who has been affected by this person to step forward, screen cap their own evidence, create their own articles, and continue to Beware.
[I will post screen caps here of proof of repayment and Fancy's final words on the subject as soon as I can]
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Date: 2014-02-03 07:58 am (UTC)1.) He paid/donated to someone to have them animate an illustration I did for him without asking me. I found this out entirely by accident and told him it was NOT ok.
2.) He repeatedly asked to "buy" some characters I featured on a furry paysite in order to pair them up with his. I said no a few times and told him not to ask after the third one.
He was a decent enough customer for me, but I was not comfortable taking more work after those two things and now I'm even less inclined to do so =\.
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Date: 2014-02-03 09:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-03 01:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-03 04:21 pm (UTC)I am saying nothing bad about Milkcrown, as I do not know him/her, but just rather curious at their reaction. Either way, that was a pretty scummy thing for Fancy to do.
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Date: 2014-02-03 06:08 pm (UTC)another good reason why I unwatched Fancy. Beware warranted
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Date: 2014-02-03 06:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-03 07:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-03 07:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-03 08:01 pm (UTC)But next time don't send your money to someone else for them to commission an artist - get into contact with the artist and pay your half yourself. I've done many commissions this way, though of course I require consent from everyone beforehand.
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Date: 2014-02-03 08:41 pm (UTC)Also, as someone else pointed out, I would definitely not ever give someone else my money to pay for something unless I had great trust in them. I would suggest, if you do end up doing a half-and-half commission again, to not only discuss the details with the other party but with the artist as well. Then you can all three agree on terms and payment, and you can pay the artist directly.
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Date: 2014-02-03 08:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-04 12:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-04 05:09 am (UTC)Also, technically, Fancy paid the entire thing, as OP sent the money to him, and Fancy bought it. He may have told Milkcrown that he was the only person in the transaction, as this is very common.
Milkcrown likely doesn't really understand the whole issue.
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Date: 2014-02-04 05:10 am (UTC)But yeah, this is typical of him. I've heard lots of similar things from friends who he has done the same thing to.
Update
Date: 2014-02-04 06:18 am (UTC)I've gotten back in touch with Milkcrown and I've shown him the evidence listed above. He's since blocked Fancy-Fancy as well.
He offered to draw something for me since I'd lost my 85$, but I declined. It wouldn't be fair to Milkcrown- I was the one that was duped, not him. X3
Still no word from Fancy-Fancy, and I doubt he'll ever be inclined to comment- I just hope that nobody else falls for this scam. I've already met 2 others who claim they were offered the same split-a-commission deal.
Re: Update
Date: 2014-02-04 06:24 am (UTC)And I wish you the best as well!
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Date: 2014-02-04 06:45 pm (UTC)It became pretty obvious to me he was just using me to try and get some free art and thankfully the two commissions I did pay for I was able to get altered.
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Date: 2014-02-05 11:30 am (UTC)Soon after that he went completely apeshit on me, blaming me for things like having conversations with my FRIENDS. He also insisted that I shouldn't keep my Skype name public on FA cause he didn't want other furries to add me.
The two weeks passed, still no money, and he was acting really rude towards me. Told me that my "nagging" was irritating. After that he blocked me everywhere and I could kiss my money goodbye.
Me and a bunch of others sent FA admins trouble tickets but I'm sure everyone here knows how well those things work out...
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Date: 2014-02-05 11:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-05 12:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-02-05 03:59 pm (UTC)Please, please, please update your old tickets or file new ones and do link this A-B post in it as well, so the moderators realise not only his bullying, but also thievery.
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Date: 2014-02-05 04:02 pm (UTC)Mine got responded when I first reported about Fancy's online bullying and assaulting, and now when I updated the ticket with the link to this A-B posting, they said they'll be on a lookout for other tickets about Fancy. Please, please please do update, reopen or make new tickets if you had issues with him so the administration could finally take actions against him.
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Date: 2014-02-05 04:29 pm (UTC)Got a response from the admins!
Date: 2014-02-05 04:39 pm (UTC)Unfortunately, members of Fur Affinity's staff are not permitted to mediate business transaction disputes, unless it involves mass scamming; however, I have reviewed your ticket and made notations concerning this user. If other users come forward with more evidence that would suggest several users have been scammed, an investigation will be launched.
In the meantime, I encourage you to try to contact this user and work out your issues and document everything. If you know other users who have been scammed by him, please direct those users to file tickets and contact me personally with their ticket numbers to help escalate this issue.
I will be closing this ticket for now; however, if something more comes to light or you have other updates, please RE-OPEN it so I can assist you further.
Best wishes,
Carmen
COCE Lead"
It finally seems like something's happening. If you've been harrassed or scammed by Fancy, please file the admins a new ticket, or re-open your old ticket like Carmen asked!
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Date: 2014-02-05 05:07 pm (UTC)