a freelance horror story
Dec. 1st, 2007 12:17 pmHey guys I know this is typically a group for more personal commissions, but I have a story to share that I think all aspiring artists should know before they get out there and start selling their work in a commercial sense.
submitted for the approval of the midnight society, I call this story
submitted for the approval of the midnight society, I call this story
So I was recently commissioned to do a novel cover illustration. Yay! Hurray! My first (well... like third) real gig! This is aaaawesome money money money!
I finish the thing in record time, despite the fact that I sat in front of my computer for two days corresponding through e-mail doing edit after edit after edit
(lesson number 1: when doing up a contract, specify in said contract how many edits the client is entitled to. I spent 2 days of my life editing and got no bonus from that. The client could have essentially gotten me to do 5 images via strategic "editing" and I would have had to do it because I didn't specify otherwise)
the client loved it! Hurray! Client is happy, time to get paid now, m i rite? Oh wait... wait a minute, we never talked about how much I was getting paid for this... how much am i getting paid for this?
(lesson number 2: before drawing so much as a line, discuss what you are being compensated and ensure that you feel you are getting what you deserve/it's worth your time)
500$. eee... i feel sort of like i deserve a little more. I am going to talk to the client about this.
"dear client, I understand I didn't sign a contract with you, I don't expect to be compensated any more than this, however I will warn you that in any future projects, I am going to charge a bit more." [a lot of changes made, it was way more professional sounding than this]
marketing guy who has been hired by client: DO NOT SPEAK TO CLIENT! YOU ARE NOT BEING PROFESSIONAL, CONTRACT IS BETWEEN MY FIRM AND YOUR AGENT, NOT YOU AND THE CLIENT
(lesson number 3: determine who it is that you are working with, make sure it's clear. I was being told all along that the client was the authors, tuns out that they were the client of my client. I am still confused by this to this day since it was them I was talking to all along about editing and stuff, but oh wells! This would have been made clear if a contract had been drafted)
me: contract? wwwhhhhaaaaaat???? I didn't sign anything
marketing guy: oh yes, and also, cover illustration credits are being given to my firm, plus your name at the end.
me: WHWHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAATTT??? But this is how i gets more jobs! I want people looking for me through ME not through your firm! what is going on here?
so I was just sort of like "eh, whatever. jobs over, 500$ is not bad, I am going to just post this stuff on my website and hopefully attract the attention of more potential buyers
marketing guy: by posting this image on your website you are infringing on the copyright of the image which is held by the company
me: WHAHAHAHAHAAAAT?
(lesson number 4: before getting into this stuff, know what your rights are as an artist, know what the clients rights are. understand what the different rights mean. for example, if a client specifies in a contract that they are buying out all of the rights to an image, that makes the image theirs, you cannot repost it, you can't even use it in your portfolio, it now belongs to them, and they can edit it and everything. if you sell them one-time rights, it's still yours, you can put it wherever you want. there are other types of rights too, look em up on the internet and make sure you watch for them in contracts so you don't screw yourself over.)
since of course I didn't sign a contract, the full rights to the image were still mine, so I simply removed the title of the book from the jpg name and continued to post them all over the internet.
so as you can see, this has been a giant mess. a mess that could have been avoided if i had just done a little research. I am going to try to save you all some future heartache. CONTRACTS! CONTRACTS CONTRACTS CONTRACTS! know them, love them, do not draw a single thing before you've agreed to, signed one and made hundreds of copies of it so you can pull it out and shove it down people's throats if they question it at all.
ARTISTS BEWARE! DON'T DO FREELANCING STUFF WITHOUT DRAFTING UP A CONTRACT FOR YOURSELF!
love, always, beavotron.
I finish the thing in record time, despite the fact that I sat in front of my computer for two days corresponding through e-mail doing edit after edit after edit
(lesson number 1: when doing up a contract, specify in said contract how many edits the client is entitled to. I spent 2 days of my life editing and got no bonus from that. The client could have essentially gotten me to do 5 images via strategic "editing" and I would have had to do it because I didn't specify otherwise)
the client loved it! Hurray! Client is happy, time to get paid now, m i rite? Oh wait... wait a minute, we never talked about how much I was getting paid for this... how much am i getting paid for this?
(lesson number 2: before drawing so much as a line, discuss what you are being compensated and ensure that you feel you are getting what you deserve/it's worth your time)
500$. eee... i feel sort of like i deserve a little more. I am going to talk to the client about this.
"dear client, I understand I didn't sign a contract with you, I don't expect to be compensated any more than this, however I will warn you that in any future projects, I am going to charge a bit more." [a lot of changes made, it was way more professional sounding than this]
marketing guy who has been hired by client: DO NOT SPEAK TO CLIENT! YOU ARE NOT BEING PROFESSIONAL, CONTRACT IS BETWEEN MY FIRM AND YOUR AGENT, NOT YOU AND THE CLIENT
(lesson number 3: determine who it is that you are working with, make sure it's clear. I was being told all along that the client was the authors, tuns out that they were the client of my client. I am still confused by this to this day since it was them I was talking to all along about editing and stuff, but oh wells! This would have been made clear if a contract had been drafted)
me: contract? wwwhhhhaaaaaat???? I didn't sign anything
marketing guy: oh yes, and also, cover illustration credits are being given to my firm, plus your name at the end.
me: WHWHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAATTT??? But this is how i gets more jobs! I want people looking for me through ME not through your firm! what is going on here?
so I was just sort of like "eh, whatever. jobs over, 500$ is not bad, I am going to just post this stuff on my website and hopefully attract the attention of more potential buyers
marketing guy: by posting this image on your website you are infringing on the copyright of the image which is held by the company
me: WHAHAHAHAHAAAAT?
(lesson number 4: before getting into this stuff, know what your rights are as an artist, know what the clients rights are. understand what the different rights mean. for example, if a client specifies in a contract that they are buying out all of the rights to an image, that makes the image theirs, you cannot repost it, you can't even use it in your portfolio, it now belongs to them, and they can edit it and everything. if you sell them one-time rights, it's still yours, you can put it wherever you want. there are other types of rights too, look em up on the internet and make sure you watch for them in contracts so you don't screw yourself over.)
since of course I didn't sign a contract, the full rights to the image were still mine, so I simply removed the title of the book from the jpg name and continued to post them all over the internet.
so as you can see, this has been a giant mess. a mess that could have been avoided if i had just done a little research. I am going to try to save you all some future heartache. CONTRACTS! CONTRACTS CONTRACTS CONTRACTS! know them, love them, do not draw a single thing before you've agreed to, signed one and made hundreds of copies of it so you can pull it out and shove it down people's throats if they question it at all.
ARTISTS BEWARE! DON'T DO FREELANCING STUFF WITHOUT DRAFTING UP A CONTRACT FOR YOURSELF!
love, always, beavotron.
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Date: 2007-12-05 12:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 01:54 am (UTC)when the marketing guy called me to basically guilt me about posting the image on my site and in so many words calling me a cheat for not telling him that they wouldn't own full rights to the image,
(lesson number 5: it's not your responsibility to tell your client this stuff...they should do their research)
i asked him why they were so uptight about having the image on my website, i told them fans of my work were interested in buying the book because it had my stuff on it
his exact words:
"hahhaha TOOT TOOT!"
implying i was tooting my own horn
... and he had the audacity to call me unprofessional.
it was a nightmare.
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Date: 2007-12-05 02:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 05:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 10:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 03:54 pm (UTC)By the way, tooting your own horn is not a bad thing to be called. It's exactly what you were doing, and I would, and we have the right to brag now and then.
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Date: 2007-12-05 10:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 11:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 12:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 01:36 am (UTC)If not, you didn't technically sign away ANY rights to the image, much less the exclusive rights of reposting.
This does clearly illustrate the need of coming to a clear agreement before any work is done :/
Thanks for sharing your horror story :/
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Date: 2007-12-05 03:04 am (UTC)it's really awful that they were so unprofessional after accusing you of such!
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Date: 2007-12-05 01:43 am (UTC)I get screwed over on a much smaller scale from time to time, and have learned to be more upfront and less shy about what I require, etc. However, I'm still kinda' scared of what goes into a professional agreement.
Would anyone reading this perhaps know of a sample contract of sorts for such matters? I'm curious to know what exactly needs to be put into one. I'll do research on my own, too. :)
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Date: 2007-12-05 01:51 am (UTC)another place that i got a LOT of info from is the Artist's and Graphic Designer's Market. I just recently got the 2008 version, but the 2007 version also had detailed information on rights and drafting contracts. http://www.amazon.com/2008-Artists-Graphic-Designers-Market/dp/1582972788
If you can find a studio that can give you representation, I'd say go for it. I have a student account at mine, it costs me 100$ a year and she doesn't charge me when she finds me jobs (so far she's found me 3 and i've only been there since august) She also gives me free access to her BEAUTIFUL studio space and is an absolute wealth of information as far as professional work goes
definately the best 100$ i've ever spent.
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Date: 2007-12-05 02:10 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 02:17 am (UTC)AnarchicQ at Gmail dot com
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Date: 2007-12-05 02:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 05:57 am (UTC)sugarhighstudios at gmail dot com
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Date: 2007-12-05 09:31 am (UTC)rebecca at rebeccaholder dot com :)
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Date: 2007-12-05 04:23 pm (UTC)i've had some problems like this in the past, and although i have some idea from looking at the pages of furbid and other places and from my own comon sense, it would be intereting to see someone elses prospective
nynthi at btinternet dot com
many spanx
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Date: 2007-12-05 03:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 03:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 02:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 03:07 am (UTC)The only commission work I've ever done is sort of armature con and online commissions, but if ever someone on a big firm was contact me about a job, I'd get all the information I could on it namely what it was for, how much I would paid, and who I was dealing with before I got way into this.
I suppose its good that at least others could learn from your experience, that if you go into something with a decent sum of money involved and a firm, its best to do a bit of research and come at it with a little business sense.
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Date: 2007-12-05 04:16 am (UTC)this is mostly for people who are self-taught, intend on doing professional work, but haven't gone to school for it
so, people who are in my boat i guess.
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Date: 2007-12-05 04:22 am (UTC)Either way its good people know about this from your experience.
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Date: 2007-12-05 05:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 05:50 am (UTC)LOL Not at my school! They talked about gallery commissions, filling out grant applications, etc but that was about it.
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Date: 2007-12-05 11:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-06 06:47 am (UTC)My school has copies of freelance contracts students can take and use and I some books in Career Services on freelancing.
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Date: 2007-12-05 05:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-05 09:39 am (UTC)"If you wish to order any further illustrations for your books, please feel free to contact me directly. However, due to the unprofessional attitude shown by the company you went through, I will not be willing to deal with them on such matters again."
Obviously you should make it a bit longer and possibly go into more detail (although I wouldn't go too much, you don't want them to think you're just whining) and possibly have someone proof read it to make sure it sounds professional.
Doing this would not only help you, but would likely help the client as well, since I'd be surprised if any artist they worked with would be willing to do any further work for them, say on a trilogy of books. If they are made aware of the problem then they can deal with it, and most likely they can save some money in the long run too by cutting out the middle-man
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Date: 2007-12-06 09:34 pm (UTC)I've had a few icky times that could have been avoided if I had had a contract. (Reediting, editing, more editing...ough, it was a nightmare!)
Thanks for sharing your story. :)
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Date: 2007-12-08 02:03 am (UTC)An awesome book, that one. I recommend it here because I see a lot of people interested in contract structure and what they entail. ^_^
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Date: 2007-12-09 09:55 am (UTC)The things you learn in a professional studies class.
Oh wait you said that. Hmm... I'm gonna hafta write up a post on the wonders of: http://www.gag.org/
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Date: 2007-12-10 11:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-12-10 05:06 pm (UTC)it's a graphic image used for commercial work. the rules are different for different mediums i guess is what the above is saying, but i've talked to multiple agents and reps about this and they all agree that without a contract, i still own full rights
it's also detailed on the graphic artist's guild's website.
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Date: 2007-12-13 07:33 am (UTC)'Portrait' under Canadian law includes paintings, drawn works, and/or digital images.
The copyright ownership ruling is listed under the CCA section Chapter C-42, Section 12(2). Section 12(3) then goes on to state :
Where the author of a work was in the employment of some other person under a contract of service or apprenticeship and the work was made in the course of his employment by that person, the person by whom the author was employed shall, in the absence of any agreement to the contrary, be the first owner of the copyright
Under the legal definitions of 'contract of service', we find that it includes exchange of money for services. In other words, if you were commissioned to do this work and paid for it, and accepted the payment, you're outta luck. This is one of the major ways that Canadian and US copyright laws differ. A 'work' is any material that falls under the jurisdiction of the CCA, which is at present all copyrightable material except sculptures and statues, in certain specific instances.
Furthermore, the GAG does not currently have jurisdiction in Canada. You're in Halifax, so you fall under the rulings outlined by the CCA, not American copyright law. Remember that laws are different in different countries and just because something works one way in the US does not mean it works that way everywhere.
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Date: 2007-12-13 01:43 pm (UTC)it actually means just portraits, whether they be photographs, traditional paintings or digital
posted on CARFAC:
http://www.carfacontario.ca/resources/demystifying_copyright
page 6 talks about what we're dealing with
it says that it's "not likely" that you'd own the copyright on something that was done on commission. this was commission, however there was no agreement saying i was handing over the copyright, therefore i still own it. Most exchanges of this type are done with a contract where i would give them rights to the image. This was verified by a lawyer i spoke to through my rep, it is especially true with my case considering the commercial nature of this exchange. These people intended on using this as their branding image in a new company they have started centred around the book.
it goes on to say that you definately don't own the copyright on commissioned portraits of any type. They have made a distinction between portraiture and other commissioned work.
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Date: 2007-12-11 05:20 pm (UTC)Find it odd they found my DA too o.o
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