[identity profile] citrus-vision.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware

WHAT:
$10 bust shot commission

WHEN:
Sept 7th (commission started)
Sept 9th (commission approved and payment sent)
Sept 10th (paypal reversal)

PROOF:
Start of the commission(blanked out for art description). Sketch approval(had to redraw it a few times). And payment agreement.

Paypal transaction (The sent payment and payment reversal)

I contacted him on tumblr about not getting paid for my commission.

Tumblr replies; people telling me he's done this before, and my short history with him. He replies telling me I'm taking it too far.

Journals on his tumblr

EXPLAIN:

So, I opened up bust shot commissions on Sept 7th to help pay a rather large dental bill. SonicDash/zekrom contacted me interested in a commission, details were exchanged, etc. On Sept 9th I showed a rough sketch(after a couple redraws) and it was accepted, then I asked for payment and he said he had sent it(and it was, I checked paypal). ((Later he also messaged me through FA, telling me that he was SonicDash from Tumblr. I had no idea he hand an FA account and had I known beforehand I wouldn't have taken the commission, but I really needed money and I had already started the commission. Should have known better))

So, I started coloring the commission, I never finished it, but I got an email yesterday from paypal for a payment reversal for 'unauthorized account activity claim'. So, I messaged him on tumblr asking if I'm ever going to get my payment, and he claims that his parents took/deleted his paypal account so he is unable to pay for his commission.

I was clearly upset, so I made an awareness journal about him on tumblr. I then had replies telling me the same exact thing has happened to them with commission payments recently (also a friend told me that he tried commissioning him that very same day all the reversals were happening), and his behavior towards other artists.

He's made a few reply blogs. Explaining his situation. He says his parents shut down/deleted his paypal account because they thought he was stealing money from them (and apparently threatening to call the cops on him). He also says he's going to pay everyone back eventually.

Now, I know (if that situation is even true) that sucks. I'm sorry that is happening, but it is still unacceptable to commission a lot of artists and have all their payments returned. It's irresponsible, and if you don't have that money in the first place, you shouldn't be spending it.

I would just suggest everyone else to just not accept commissions from him until he gets his stuff straightened out.

I've also contacted FA staff about him about 10 days ago, have yet to hear back from them.

Date: 2013-09-26 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbneko.livejournal.com
Might have missed this in your info, sorry!

What's his FA user name? You have two names, but not which is which, or are they both for FA?

Date: 2013-09-26 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0acorn0.livejournal.com
Not the first time, he also did this to Kayla-na I think.

Date: 2013-09-26 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 0acorn0.livejournal.com
I hope it gets resolved, payment reversals and chargebacks suck.

Date: 2013-09-26 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryunwoofie.livejournal.com
They appear to be 28 and their parents have control over their paypal? Shady shady. Sorry you had to go through that. Blocked blocked blocked.

Date: 2013-09-26 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiritlobo.livejournal.com
Has he given a time-table (or at the least, an idea of a date) of when he's going to start paying people back?

I'm sorry this happened to you--I hope you get your money!

Date: 2013-09-26 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torch-tiger.livejournal.com
I am sorry that this happened to you and hope you get your money.
I am confused though, why would you have not taken his commission if you had known that he had an account on FA?

Date: 2013-09-26 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torch-tiger.livejournal.com
Oh okay, well at least now you know that he is block worthy and he even gave you another name to block him as.


On another note this is the second beware I have seen with that charge back excuse. Although I think the first was the grandparents account. I hope this is not going to become a trend.

Date: 2013-09-26 09:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkicarus.livejournal.com
ugh, creeps like that are the worst. the ones you make it 100% clear you want nothing to do with, block, and they STILL try to sneak around your blocks to commission you...

my condolances :

Date: 2013-09-26 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerstin-orion.livejournal.com
"Creeps like that"

I know you're speaking in general terms, but this is essentially name-calling. Please be careful not to do this in the future.

Date: 2013-09-26 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkicarus.livejournal.com
apologies!

Date: 2013-09-26 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thecreativepen.livejournal.com
I would report this to Paypal. They have apparently done this to multiple users, and if in fact he did "steal", then something needs to be done about this. It's not fair that all of these artists, including yourself, are out money for work they've already done.

And if his story is true, I hope his family can back up their claims.

Date: 2013-09-26 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thecreativepen.livejournal.com
Personally, I'd be calling and emailing to anyone and everyone until I spoke to a human being. I can understand one chargeback, but multiple ones in a very short frame of time seems suspect to me.

If anything, they should be putting a hold on his account while they investigate. More artists shouldn't be put into your position.

Date: 2013-09-26 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teahound.livejournal.com
don't use email, call them on the phone. people tend to get much better results this way.

Date: 2013-09-27 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestinaketzia.livejournal.com
Call them. Paypal tends to be a lot more helpful when you talk to someone.

Citrus Vision:

Date: 2013-09-27 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bazeel-pooka.livejournal.com
Please contact me via notes on Fur Affinity, so I may assist in resolving this issue!

Re: Citrus Vision:

Date: 2013-09-27 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bazeel-pooka.livejournal.com
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bazeel/

Date: 2013-09-28 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bazeel-pooka.livejournal.com
This issue has been resolved on our end, until contact with all parties owed is made by the user.

Date: 2013-09-28 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sableantelope.livejournal.com
That's wonderful, this partnership with A_B has really started changing my mind about the FA staff, and how the site is run. I know there are still issues in other areas but this area you are handling Bazeel(and any other staff halping you out with it) is really showing FA's staff in a very positive light.

I hope it'll be an example for the staff running the other areas because it's great!

*edit: sorry had 'from' not 'for'
Edited Date: 2013-09-28 10:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-29 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bazeel-pooka.livejournal.com
I appreciate that, however everything the FA staff does is on an 'as a whole' basis. While I tend to work alone on most of these tickets, without the staff of coders/sysops/etc and others handling the more 'common tickets' (Harassment, etc), I would not have the time nor the ability to work in consultation with AB. :)

Date: 2013-11-08 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerstin-orion.livejournal.com
I'm very glad you received your refund. I'll go ahead and mark the post as resolved. Thank you for letting us know!

EDIT: whoops, I mean your payment, sorry. I just saw you got money back and assumed it was a refund, not money owed. Either way, still good news!
Edited Date: 2013-11-08 01:31 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-30 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayla-na.livejournal.com
I was screwed out of my payment as well for a commission that I did for him as well. :/ I've been asking him every week about an update on when I'm going to get paid back. Sometimes I wonder if I feel like I'm nagging him to death, but then again, I didn't get paid for the labor that I did that he commissioned me to do. e_e

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