Beware Mikachutuhonen

[silvercrow33.livejournal.com]

Who: Mikachutuhonen

Where: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/mikachutuhonen

Explain: I want to express that this had nothing to do with the art or the subject of the image, but of the behavior he exhibited after its completion.
While working on the image, he asked if I would mind streaming the last bit (as I didn't have much left to work on) and I said sure and did so. During the stream (via skype) he made an inappropriate comment, which I chose to ignore even though it made me really uncomfortable. I tried not to talk to him to much during the stream, aside from answering his questions/responding to the changes he wanted. At the end, after talking to my boyfriend (who was really upset/angry about the comment he left), he asked me not to have any further contact with him and to remove him from my skype after the commission was finished. I agree, and once I'd finished, I told Mikachutuhonen this and blocked him.
He began to message me on FA, requesting an explanation.

This conversation followed. https://www.dropbox.com/s/027ha1u9bm06g89/mikachutuhonen.png
He also sent a few notes to my boyfriend. if you want to see them, I'll get caps of them too.

I want to state that yes most of this could have been avoided if I had just explained to him in the beginning that I was uncomfortable with that kind of talk and had I just blocked him on FA, but I honestly didn't think he'd blow up as much as he did, especially when he told me I and my boyfriend deserve to die.
So yes, a big part of this is my fault, and I definitely won't be using Skype for commissions and I'll make sure everyone is clear that I'm not interested in that kind of talk during a transaction. But I thought that people ought to see the rather nasty attitude he took with me in the end, even though I tried to remain polite and firm about my decision.

Quick Edit: Just wanted to add that he also block-evaded my boyfriend via an account called Stoaty1, to continue harassing him/us. He has since left us alone, though he did watch my new account for some reason.

Comments

[magicporpoise.livejournal.com]

Like you said, you have a right to refuse service. And honestly, I myself was disgusted. Even if you are drawing any kind of adult art for someone, and they say that kind of thing to you, its... TMI.. and... well, uncalled for. Especially if he knew you had a boyfriend already.

He snowballed out of control in those FA messages, I think the cursing was out of line. Honestly, if I were you, I would have blocked him immediately on FA too, rather than let him drag it along. He should have known better than to say what he said on skype, that's going too far. Sounds like someone I would like to avoid.

[celestinaketzia.livejournal.com]

I agree with this. The second he was blocked on Skype he should have been blocked on FA. His sexual commentary is completely out of line, and you were right to feel like you did, OP.

[silvercrow33.livejournal.com]

I enjoyed the work I did do with him and honestly I was just hoping he'd be mature about it. I also forgot to mention that he also made an alt account (called Stoaty1) to go around my boyfriends block to harass him more.

[celestinaketzia.livejournal.com]

Generally if you're going to blacklist someone it may save you the headache to block them outright everywhere you can find them. Some folks will get upset and try to go around your block, but it's rude and you don't owe them an explanation at all.

The fact that he harassed your SO is really really out of line.

[mistresswolf.livejournal.com]

Yep. I had to do that with a fellow that was upset that I didn't draw multi-boobs on a character in a comic adaptation I am doing. I blocked him on all galleries I am a part of (even if he was already perma-banned on some)... and he still came to my Tumblr to send "anonymous" (yeah, I know exactly who it was) harassing messages. Even over a year later he came back and started it again so I had to block anons from leaving messages there.

People with that kind of attitude will do whatever they can to get messages through to you on any platform/site.

[val !! (from livejournal.com)]

yikes, that blow up. thanks for the beware.

[criu.livejournal.com]

I involuntarily gagged when I read that comment. And those FA notes--yikes! Beware well warranted!

[chronidu.livejournal.com]

Wow that was one hell of a blow up, guilt tripping, insulting, and wishing death on the commissioner to boot. This is definitely a warranted beware.

[ducttapeninja.livejournal.com]

go fuck yourself.. i hope you and your mate die soon. and hopefully no one commissions more of your shitty art... you dont deserve any fans if you are an asshole like this.

WOW. This behavior right here is enough of a reason for nobody to ever work for him, ever. What a horrid attitude. :/

I'm really sorry you had to put up with this guy, and you definitely did the right thing in blocking him. Good on you for being as civil as you were, I definitely wouldn't have lasted so long-- especially after he wished for death on you and your SO!

[magedragonfire.livejournal.com]

Holy moly, it starts bad and just gets worse from there. D: There was no way that any of that was called for. Beware well warranted, indeed.

[cyiakanami.livejournal.com]

Uhg that first comment on skype made me cringe and the behavior there after was uncalled for. Thanks for posting the beware. It was well warranted.

[thegentilcat.livejournal.com]

'There's no good reason for me to not be able to commission more from you...'

Sure there is - the artist doesn't want to work with you. That's all the reason that is needed.

Really 'love' how he acknowledged he was being TMI with his pawing comment; then turns around and feigns ignorance when he was blocked due to inappropriate comments. (and everything else he said - I honestly respect how you were able to keep a cool head through all that).

Good call on blocking him. That definitely not the kind of behavior anyone should have to deal with.

[ziege-untervelt.livejournal.com]

This behavior from him doesn't surprise me the slightest.

[tealmoonxiv.livejournal.com]

Gross.

Thanks for the beware.

[lackoflollies.livejournal.com]

Gee wilikers.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Ugh, that comment is so non consensual :(

You don't tell people stuff like that unless there's a clear indication that the other person is receptive, and commissions are not an indication. It's work.
That's like telling the guy at the adult toy store what you're planning with your purchases; they don't want to know that, they're just there to collect a paycheck. Jeez.

And to suggest you're unfair and HE is the blameless victim because you don't want to be the conversationalist equivalent of a jizzrag? No.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Also, other places you might wanna block him in case he tries to block-evade to harass you more:
https://www.weasyl.com/~mikachutuhonen
https://inkbunny.net/mikachutuhonen
http://mikachutuhonen.deviantart.com/
http://mikachutuhonen.sofurry.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/MikachuTuhonen
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197995561242
http://www.livestream.com/mikachutuhonen
http://www.twitch.tv/mikachutuhonen/profile
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mikachutuhonenkh
http://mikachutuhonen.tumblr.com/
https://www.facebook.com/MikachuTuhonen
http://psnprofiles.com/MikachuTuhonen
https://twitter.com/MikachuTuhonen

Looks like he mentioned the issue on his Twitter, saying an artist blocked him for "praising" their artwork:
https://twitter.com/MikachuTuhonen/status/456471074843414528
https://twitter.com/MikachuTuhonen/status/456472481826500608

[latiro.livejournal.com]

thank you for sharing the links so I'll know to block him and not do business with him

[sapphistscot.livejournal.com]

The fact that he thinks masturbating to something is 'praising' it is just so unbelievably repellent. Gross.

[sacch.livejournal.com]

I absolutely hate it when people make those sort of comments and don't want to be held accountable for them, anywhere. It's not acceptable and never WILL be acceptable out of nowhere, ever.

I honestly think he knew he did something wrong, and is just feigning ignorance. Again, OP should have probably told him what he did and that would maybe calm the waters a little, but it's still no excuse for the commissioner's behavior.

And bashing the art was just an attempt to insult that didn't make sense. Why commission an artist, then tell them to their face their art sucks when, uh, you were going to pay for it? Geez.

Beware well warranted.

[likeshine.livejournal.com]

way to stand up for yourself!

[puddingpaw.livejournal.com]

Whoa, staying away from that dude.

[timelapsedecay.livejournal.com]

TBH, you should have stuck to what you said. It would not have gotten this bad if you had actually ceased contact like you said you would.
Doesn't excuse what he said and did- that's disgusting and you're right to feel the way you do. But I can't help but notice the ensuing messages could have never happened if you ignored/ blocked on FA after that Skype message. I also don't see the point in saying "Thank you for understanding" over and over? He clearly didn't and if you wanted him to stop the conversation, you could have just... stopped replying

I'm not /blaming/ you for all this happening, you can't help that some people are rude and inappropriate. I'm just saying it could have gone better and it would not have taken the effort it certainly took to continue to bicker with him.

Edited for better clarity

[ryunwoofie.livejournal.com]

Agreeing with all of this. Especially the 'Thanks for understanding' part weather he did or didn't it seemed sort of patronizing?

Glad you made a beware though! Blocking on every place possible. Wow no. I can't stand people who share that kind of adult/personal info. Gross.

[zrcalo.livejournal.com]

Thats honestly one of the reasons why I dont really make adult art for people. I dont want to get caught between their fetishes and themself.

[spiritlobo.livejournal.com]

Totally agreeing - it just not worth your peace of mind and your time.

[mistresswolf.livejournal.com]

Although I do agree that maybe you should have said "I am sorry, but your comment regarding "pawing off" was totally out of line and neither I nor my boyfriend appreciate that kind of comment, but for that reason I have to block you." ... How did he not know that that was the comment you were uncomfortable with? How did he think that telling you he was masturbating was an appropriate thing to say to you?

I just... ugh.

[friskecrisps.livejournal.com]

That made me cringe when he said that he was just an innocent victim in all of this. Really? I mean I know there are some artists out there that don't mind comments like that but you gotta realize that not everyone is like that. He's more active on IB so I think that's where that comment comes up. The community over there is more open to comments like that and probably assumed FA was the same way. Still no excuse for that.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Well he said it in a stream via Skype, so.. FA creepy comment etiquette doesn't even enter into it. If it's in the comments onan upload somewhere you could kind of gloss over it, but he just said it right to her virtual face :/

[friskecrisps.livejournal.com]

I know I'm just saying that he's more active on IB and most often then not, people from IB usually are more open to saying stuff like that. Again, I'm not saying that excuses him from what he said. Just saying that's probably where that comment is coming from.

[zrcalo.livejournal.com]

:( seconding the "people on inkbunny are more open to that"
There's a reason why I dont really go on that site. Not to say that everyone on there is bad, it's just the overall atmosphere is a bit too TMI.

[duster.livejournal.com]

Ew, if he knew it was TMI why did he say it? Gross. His comments to you are abysmal and I will be avoiding this guy at all costs. Just because you draw adult art doesn't mean an artist wants to hear stuff like that!

[werewolfofwater.livejournal.com]

Augh, I hate people like that who think you owe them something.

[kayla-na.livejournal.com]

O..kay.. ew?

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

yes most of this could have been avoided if I had just explained to him in the beginning that I was uncomfortable with that kind of talk

Unless you mean putting something up for all customers to see (even then!), I don't think there was any way to avoid upsetting him, and pretty much none of this is your fault. That being said, going forward it's a good idea to stick to your boundaries and avoid skyping (since you do not want to in the first place), immediately block and do not further engage people who make you uncomfortable, and state somewhere you don't want sexual comments... though I suspect anyone reasonable enough to notice and honor such a request wouldn't have been inappropriate in the first place.

Just because that's usually the best way to handle such situations, I wouldn't expect someone who was surprised and hadn't dealt with that sort of thing before to immediately do that.

If this guy tries to engage you again, just block/ignore/report the poop out of them, don't talk to or about them in areas they can see.