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artists_bewareWHO: cicatrizESP/Rabid/makeshiftwings
WHERE: www.furaffinity.net/user/cicatrizesp
WHAT: It was going to be a simple waist-up, flat-color digital commission that was supposedly going to cost $10. She contacted me personally wanting to draw my character.
WHEN: What got me suspicious was that she asked for five dollars more to cover Paypal fees…Off. When it got bad was the ignoring for months on end just for a single update, she has no list if there are other commissions going on or journals telling what is going on except she is trying to get active again but then disappearing AGAIN. I wanted to do a claim, but since I gifted stupidly I cannot get it back, nor can I get a refund with my ignored reply obviously.
PROOF:
When she first contacted me: November 22, 2013
Proof of Payment on my part: December 5, 2013
Internally questioning change of price to pay ridiculous fees: December 5, 2013
Was Naive and gifted it... (Explained below)
She KNEW it would take it out of her '10' or else she would not have asked for more money!
Red Flag there had I known...
Getting worried at this point. But I was just being patient, polite and wondering if she okay and maybe if there was an update.
I do not how much she is taking on, she has no list or anything. So I was curious. : December 27, 2013
Couple months later after ignoring the note above, the final response from her: February 3, 2014
My response left unanswered...
EXPLAIN: At first she wanted that $10, but suddenly she wanted five more dollars to cover the Paypal fee? Paypal NEVER makes a person pay over $5 worth of fees and I never heard of it! She even said she would add in more art but I did not want it...
But I fell for it. As Naive as I was back then, I decided to gift it to her, to pay the fees by gifting to move on about it (knowing earlier that gifting usually makes the person buying to pay the fee instead, but that was it…)…It seemed to work. (Later on it is revealed to me that the fee is there to PROTECT buyers and it is against Paypal's Terms of Service for sellers to ask the buyer to pay the fee FOR THEM.)
What I did not know is that if you ‘gift’ customers can no longer be protected because you cannot issue a claim against the person you ‘gifted’ it too. I learned the hard way. No longer will I be commissioning artist that require people to ‘gift’ the money to them so they do not have to pay the fee. Unless they request adding one more dollar to the original commission to pay for it or tell how much I should pay before hand to cover it, and I WILL CHECK.
Two months later… I finally get a response because I noted her asking for an update… But apparently it is going to take another couple of months for my commission. Nothing was done. Was it okay? No, you do not ignore your commissioners, especially what was the reason why for the delay. You tell them first and people should understand in this circumstance, do not IGNORE them for months! I am a very patient person and commissioned a lot of artists, they would tell you this! I can give a LIST. Is it so hard to inform?
A reply...finally
I replied back to that final note that it would have been okay if she notified me earlier. No this was not okay and replied that I wanted a refund, but instead of waiting for my reply she disappeared for another two months and counting. I am done and fed up by this.
Funnily enough...even if I would have asked for a refund…. she might have already spent that money, including others!? This was on a journal 6 months ago (from April 22, 2014) that she was supposed to get ‘active’ again and I sent my “I want a refund note’ two months after until she disappeared again (not a surprise). So I waited even longer for nothing I am going to get back. She has done it before and I would not be surprised., People even asked for a refund there is a bunch of wrong with this... Quite sad.
http://i.imgur.com/p3Rn5DV.png Journal comment
UPDATES:
As of April 22, 2014...Heh. She is on the prowl again using the same tactic on by sending people either a note supposedly selling commissions again or shouting on their page. Where is my supposed commission? My money? Not done? Gone? Go figure. I can only warn so much by leaving this up on my profile and for the most part leaving the site.
As of April 22, 2014...Heh. She is on the prowl again using the same tactic on by sending people either a note supposedly selling commissions again or shouting on their page. Where is my supposed commission? My money? Not done? Gone? Go figure. I can only warn so much by leaving this up on my profile and for the most part leaving the site.
June 10, 2014: I have blocked this user on Fur-affinity a long time ago because she ignored me anyway. I do not expect it to ever be resolved at all except I want this to be added to her thread. If she wants this to be resolved, she can resend/gift me my money back... But this will be a warning to others that she has not changed in the slightest.
July 3, 2014: (Also added her other name to the title) On June 18, 2014 We have come to a slight agreement. The person is supposedly going to refund me on July 3rd as stated herself and I allowed it with the exception of three conditions; it is all the money I paid for which includes the fees, one of her names is on there so I know, and a message that has saying that she is unable to complete the service that she was paid for and is refunding my money back.
I included that she can contact me here or on Furaffinity( as I unblocked her for this reason) that if she wants to make sure the paypal e-mail is correct that I can tell her/give it if anything.
http://i.imgur.com/9fkv5xB.png Dead-line
I have yet to receive any kind of payment... I will wait until it hits 12 a.m before updating this regarding if it is done or not like said. If it does not happen, I am not going to listen to any more excuses as I have lost patience with this person.
July 4, 2014: It is forty past mid-night and have not received anything. She could not even hold up to her own deadline, not a surprise at all. This will stay unresolved until further notice...
http://i.imgur.com/WC9tXFE.png No payment received.
July 3, 2014: (Also added her other name to the title) On June 18, 2014 We have come to a slight agreement. The person is supposedly going to refund me on July 3rd as stated herself and I allowed it with the exception of three conditions; it is all the money I paid for which includes the fees, one of her names is on there so I know, and a message that has saying that she is unable to complete the service that she was paid for and is refunding my money back.
I included that she can contact me here or on Furaffinity( as I unblocked her for this reason) that if she wants to make sure the paypal e-mail is correct that I can tell her/give it if anything.
http://i.imgur.com/9fkv5xB.png Dead-line
I have yet to receive any kind of payment... I will wait until it hits 12 a.m before updating this regarding if it is done or not like said. If it does not happen, I am not going to listen to any more excuses as I have lost patience with this person.
July 4, 2014: It is forty past mid-night and have not received anything. She could not even hold up to her own deadline, not a surprise at all. This will stay unresolved until further notice...
http://i.imgur.com/WC9tXFE.png No payment received.
Status: UNRESOLVED
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Date: 2014-06-16 09:07 pm (UTC)You may not be able to get your money back through a claim, but you could report her to Paypal for asking you to cover the fees, if you wanted to. She's not allowed to do that.
Side note, while it obviously wasn't the case here, Paypal certainly can charge $5 or more in fees. I had a bit over $5 taken out just recently when I received a commission payment that was $180. It's based on a percentage of the amount transferred, so you'll never see that much on small transfers like the one you posted about, but it scales up with higher prices.
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Date: 2014-06-16 10:26 pm (UTC)That is an option I could try, thank you for telling me.
Now that I think about it, it would make more sense if there was more money, there would be a bigger Edit:: *fee (forgot to add), but probably since I do not buy commissions that is above $50 I have never seen it.
Thank you for clearing it up.
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Date: 2014-06-17 01:31 am (UTC)this. i dunno, i just find it really off-putting when people do that, it's like having a salesperson come to your door, haha.
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Date: 2014-06-20 02:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-06-17 05:15 am (UTC)I've had this done to me a couple of times and while I don't see it as super shady (money is money, after all), I do feel uncomfortable about it. It feels like I'm expected to buy a commission regardless of whether I like the art/artist or not.
At least the artists are okay taking a polite decline and a wish of good luck, and don't push it, but it's still unsettling.
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Date: 2014-06-17 06:17 am (UTC)I know someone who is rather famous for the large quantity of commissions they get of two particular characters of theirs; so people would hound them with the same strategy used here. And it got to the point they made a notice saying any communications regarding artists going 'hay u got monies, commission me!' or any variant were going to get blocked, and their sales pitch chucked into the spam folder.
Which is how it SHOULD be. No one freaking likes those spam emails; so when an artist tries to get you to pay them for art and you didn't approach first? Byeeee~
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Date: 2014-06-17 06:00 pm (UTC)