[identity profile] midnight-foxx.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware
I've decided this must end now. Join me in my effort to stop Starfinder (Christina Penescu) from ripping off anymore people.

http://www.petitiononline.com/SF00001/petition.html

Sign my petition to Ban her from selling art at Further Confusion 2006.

Date: 2005-06-30 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaputotter.livejournal.com
Starfinder's past transgressions aside, I think this is a little underhanded. Her problem is not in selling tangible goods at Further Confusion, where a buyer is guaranteed product should they pay up; it's with her commissions where, were she of legal age, has made a breach of contract.

Banning her from FC won't stop the problem at its root.

Date: 2005-06-30 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaputotter.livejournal.com
I took a quick look through your previous post on the matter, but I couldn't find anything with regards to what you're saying. What is it you just found out?

Date: 2005-06-30 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kcravenyote.livejournal.com
It may not stop her problem completely..but she has indeed pulled this exact sort of thing at cons before, apparently. It can atleast stop her from doing that..-if- it works. `shrugs`

Date: 2005-06-30 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaputotter.livejournal.com
You're right, but the only way to stop her completely is for people to stop being fooled by her. A majority of those who got suckered conducted their business completely outside of a convention context.

Date: 2005-06-30 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] westly.livejournal.com
Doing something like this could very well put the thought into people's heads then.

People would think..."Starfinder...starfinder...I know that name...that's the chick that steals people's money...I won't buy from her."

It's a step in the right direction.

Especially because she does this sort of thing at conventions too.

Date: 2005-06-30 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornwolf.livejournal.com
As someone who sat beside her at a convention (Califur) I can say that her in person business transactions are no better. She decided she wanted to leave the con early and asked myself and XianJaguar to tie off her loose ends for her with people she owed sketchbook drawings/conbadges too. One guy she took his money, didn't finish his badge, and took off. He came by later wanting his badge and was very pissed off cuz he didn't have her contact info. She charged like 30 some bucks for her badges so its not like "oh well there goes 5 bucks".

Her reason for wanting to leave? "I want to go to the beach".

Date: 2005-07-01 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaputotter.livejournal.com
Well, I guess you do have a point there.

Date: 2005-07-01 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minimalismo.livejournal.com
...that was a stupid stupid thing to do, Starfinder... it'll come back to bite her in the ass. Soon.

Date: 2005-07-02 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mass-repeat.livejournal.com
I hate to ask this but .. uh...

I see you, thornwolf, and sabarika too, posting comments in Star's journal all the time. Then later, you come post things on the anti-Starfinder threads. Now, I'm not defending her actions, or even taking sides ... but I'm curious ... are you both friends with her or not? It seems like you both try to have it both ways.

Sorry, I'm not trying to start a fight or pass judgement on you. I'm just curious.

Date: 2005-07-02 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornwolf.livejournal.com
I'm currently in a business transaction with Star. I try to be polite, but it doesnt mean I have to agree with everything. She knows EXACTLY how I feel as I've told her to her face (well..online face) several times.

Date: 2005-07-02 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mass-repeat.livejournal.com
Ah, ok. *nods.*

Date: 2005-06-30 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caishide.livejournal.com
i recognize art styles better than i do names, could anyone link me to an online gallery of hers so i can recognize it in the future?

Date: 2005-06-30 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ravynwolf.livejournal.com
http://www.starfinder.biz/

Date: 2005-06-30 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fierycatthing.livejournal.com
I've never commissioned her, so I dont know if its quite my place to sign the petition. All I know is I've heard from dozens people that she has crooked them. And as tempted as I am to cough up a bit of cash and commission her, I know I would rather commission someone I know is reliable and know would actually finish my commission, especially for the price she sells her stuff for. I'm even beginning to wonder if anyone who commissions her even gets to see the final product, let alone have it sent to them. I also wonder if she knows how quickly she is damaging her reputation as an artist, and at such a young age, its actually rather sad. And once your reputation is damaged, its not that easy to fix. If she wants to be a professional one day like she claims, she needs to shape up and she needs to shape up fast.
At least this petition will get the word around about how unreliable she is with art. I dont necessarily think there should be a petition, but seeing how far this has come and how quick, I think its one step in the right direction to getting word around.
~RedFeather

Date: 2005-07-29 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lupusetgruis.livejournal.com
This is a little late, but...

Actually, my only transaction with her has been pleasant. Granted, it was very very simple. I saw a post of hers that was about money troubles and that she was doing digital sketch commissions for 10 each. I paid her $10 through paypal and got a sketch the very next day. Of course, I really wouldn't have expected less, as it was super easy.

But even considering that, I still don't think I would ever get anything else from her unless it was ridiculously cheap. I've heard way too many things about her poor business pracitces to risk it.

Date: 2006-06-09 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuprohastes.livejournal.com
I paid her $20 on the same... and never got my sketch.

Date: 2005-06-30 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lozpie.livejournal.com
I think it's such a shame. She must have worked so hard to get to that level, put so much into it, and she's just throwing it all away. I just can't help but wonder why.

Date: 2005-06-30 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xodiac.livejournal.com
Since part of the problem - indeed, the major part of the problem - is not with her ripping people off selling prints or sketchbook art or the like, but with commissions to be paid for up front and completed later, this will have limited effect. The main thing to do is to get word of her actions out. This means posting to more than this community. It means posting to private journals, telling people in conversations, and so on. You might want to make up and distribute fliers at the various cons, too.

Date: 2005-07-01 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] westly.livejournal.com
http://www.livejournal.com/users/westly/137510.html?mode=reply

Y'mean...like that?

Date: 2005-07-01 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornwolf.livejournal.com
Actually please see my response to [livejournal.com profile] kaputotter in this thread.

Date: 2005-07-01 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dingybatty.livejournal.com
Even if you get a bunch of signatures for this petition, what can you do with it? Send it to the FC staff? Do you really think they'll stop her from doing business at FC?

Date: 2005-07-01 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minimalismo.livejournal.com
Absolutely correct! They probably won't care, because she is paying for a table and as a customer to FC, and to the people who enjoy collecting her works, it won't make a difference.

Date: 2005-07-01 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minimalismo.livejournal.com
Hm, well, not sure. I dunno. I don't know Starfinder, all I know is that she has a new car and new things, etc, yes, so if she doesn't want to draw anymore she should put her commission status as closed.

Date: 2005-07-01 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minimalismo.livejournal.com
Really? hmm... also I notice that her commission rates are simply too expensive. It does not cost 5000 dollars for a pastel 30x whatever piece... nope.

Date: 2005-07-06 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverbobcat.livejournal.com
WHAT. 5000 bucks? OHHHH-KAAAY. I'd charge 1000 at the most for a painting that big, but 5000? Kid thinks too highly of herself, she does.
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Date: 2005-07-01 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caishide.livejournal.com
you have my full support. i don't think a convention should submit its attendees to a dishonest art seller. pickpockets and shoplifters are removed, so why should someone who robs people through broken contracts be allowed to remain?
it is especially unfair to the unwarned masses. you can only protect yourself against the risks you are AWARE of.

Date: 2005-07-01 02:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolf-nymph.livejournal.com
In regards to all this, I do not know Starfinder personally... I have never had dealings with her, but I have heard some from people who don't have positive things to say about her. Since I try not to form an opinion of someone before I get to know them, I don't think it's my place to sign this petition. I'm sorry Mid, you and Kahateni have been very good to me in regards to commissions and everything, but I can't sign this petition until I meet the girl in person, or have business dealing with her myself and find it nessecary to do so.

*pulls off business mask* And I thought I'd add, I really do like the additions you've made to your character design, just the teeny tweeks make a big difference. =)

Date: 2005-07-01 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theredwolf.livejournal.com
I've had many many many problems with Starfinder in the past, including failing to finish an art trade for almost two years and also watching innocent friends fall to her scams.

I signed this petition.

Date: 2005-07-01 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minimalismo.livejournal.com
Let her learn the hard way... not through some silly 'petition', but instead just tell as many people as possible (like you already have in your previous post) what happened, and that will make them more wary of her products and her service as an artist. That is enough for people to not purchase items from her.

Date: 2005-07-01 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dingybatty.livejournal.com
I gotta agree, and there are a lot of other artists who do some of the things she does anyway. I think word of mouth is the best way to keep people from getting screwed over by her.

Date: 2005-07-01 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minimalismo.livejournal.com
Just like any business... for example, I had issues with Household Financial (HFC). So I told everyone I knew... and they tell people... and so on :) It hurts, it does...

Date: 2005-07-01 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thornwolf.livejournal.com
Word of mouth didn't work =/

Date: 2005-07-01 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sabarika.livejournal.com
I don't agree with her business practices at all.

The spending of money that is given for a certain product or service before said service/product is completed and given to the customer, especially without TELLING them or ever giving them said commission, is terrible. If the payee is notified that said money is being spent and they agree to it, that is one thing. But refusing refunds WHEN REQUESTED and claiming hardships over--and over--and over is merely avoiding it. If she cannot complete said commissions then she should refund, contact the person and agree to something, or just not take them. If she needs to sell art so bad, I'm sure people will buy her originals or prints instead of not getting specific services they requested and paid for.

Her need for money is overriding her business ethics, if it is, as she says, a need. She could request donations instead if she is aware that she will become distracted from/not finish or do her commissions and not owe so many people something in return. I don't think complete banning from the entire convention is necessary--she can enjoy it WITHOUT a dealer's room booth or having art in auctions/the art show. That's what I think. She needs to sell that bad she can do it under-the-table or however it could be done if she is so desperate.

I just don't feel like those kinds of business ethics should be allowed to continue, especially since I heard of people having their business chased off by her comments.

Date: 2005-07-06 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wereguitar.livejournal.com
I think that was my biggest piss-off with her. When I requested a refund, she refused and told me how her family was filing for bankrupcy soon, then she told me she had about half of what she owed me in her PayPal account (after I told her I did not have a PayPal account) and that would be the only way she could possibly refund me. Oy.

Date: 2005-07-13 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acrimonius.livejournal.com
I think you can report her to Paypal for fraud. Maybe get a couple of folks together for that.

Date: 2005-07-06 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverbobcat.livejournal.com
Luckally I've never had to deal with any transactions involving Starfinder, but aside from business, I have spoken to her a few times casually and I can't say that I like her very much as a person. She is incredibly snooty and can't stop talking about herself, her age, and her art.

Basically, she's a kid. She has alot to learn about responsibility, but this gives her no excuse to run off with people's money. Though I speak as though I am the elder, I'm actually the same age as her, and as well take forever to finish commissions and the like, which is why I know it's primarily an adolescent responsibility issue. But for god sake, I don't run off with people's money. I KNOW that I take forever to finish commissions and therefore I actually do NOT accept payment until I am finished with the picture, because I don't want to make myself a reputation like THIS.

Date: 2005-07-09 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyohteebat.livejournal.com
Jesus. I never liked Starfinder since that issue with her and Goldie, she's really stuck up I've heard..

Date: 2005-07-10 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyohteebat.livejournal.com
From what I've read she's a very dislikable person.

Date: 2005-07-20 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vekke.livejournal.com
Issue? What is this issue? //end drama addict

X3

Date: 2005-07-22 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aislynn85.livejournal.com
What went on between her and goldenwolf?

Date: 2005-07-22 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyohteebat.livejournal.com
What happened was that she sent some art back to Goldie that she fixed digitally and the filename bugged Goldie a bit.

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