Beware of DiceLion on Furaffinity

[kora-atlass.livejournal.com]

 Greetings everyone

It's been brought to my attention that the user DiceLion of FurAffinity ( http://www.furaffinity.net/user/dicelion ) is the same artist who previously went by the names of Svetlana, Achondrite, and CanyonVoredU. This had been confirmed by a few members of the FurAffinity community, as well as there being circumstantial evidence such as the same art style, same interests, same dislikes, age, and location. The previous track record of this artist is nothing short of having been commissioned a project that's usually valued over $200, then disappears shortly afterwards without fully delivering on the paid art. This has happened to a number of people already over the past few years, myself included. This user's new account has only been active since April, and she is already exhibiting the same behaviors as her previous accounts prior to being uprooted by way of advertising large sums of art for a high price, which she is asking to be paid up front for.

By no means am I suggesting to not commission this artist. If you do, that's your own business and no one else's. But, if you do happen to commission this artist, I encourage you to practice caution.

Thank you for your time.

Edit - Due to the fact that the accused is stating I had threatened physical harm towards her nearing the end of our dealings, I dug up the chat logs I had posted about the very same individual from my previous entry about her.

Here's the full and complete chat log prior to DiceLion ceasing all forms of communication with me.
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Edit 2 - A user, who wishes to remain anonymous, just confronted me in regards to this whole issue. He does not wish to have his name disclosed, but I wanted to make this public in regards to Achondrite as well.

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Edit 3 - Upon suggestion of the community, I would like to specifically point out this thread and the evidence I had posted in it to disprove any claims from the accused.

http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/360309.html?thread=11648373#t11648373

Edit 4 - In regards to my own dealings with her, I paid $450 USD for 10 sketches, and $450 USD to have those 10 sketches inked. She produced 3 sketches and refunded $300 CAD ( $275 USD ) at the time of the incident, and $125 USD after I posted this journal more than 2 years later. She has yet to refund me the additional $365 USD to make up for the total difference of what's been paid and what's been produced.

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Comments

[ainoko-ironrose.livejournal.com]

seems that www.furaffinity.net/user/CanyonVoredU is a non-existent account

[freudian-lisp.livejournal.com]

Wait, what? Dicelion/etc. owes people ar/scams people/whatever? Do you have further proof of this?

I am curious because I believe they're kurenaipaladin here on LJ and quite active in this very community.

PS. http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/k454i is another of their galleries. If anything actually happened, add that name too to the list of aliases.

[teahound.livejournal.com]

That's correct, also chaimeleon on FA.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

This post is being investigated currently, so I'm asking for the members here to please restrain yourselves from any accusations or the like.

[wolf-goat.livejournal.com]

I've heard from a lot of people that this person ripped people off. Lightningfire and Kayeer on FA spring to mind.

[foxhack.livejournal.com]

Would it be too much trouble to ask these people to come here and comment on this to be sure?

[kora-atlass.livejournal.com]

You know, I find it funny...

You refunded only $275 out of the $400 you promised, and you only gave me 3 out of the 10 sketches you said you were going to deliver.

So here you are now, 2 years later, back up to your usual antics. Yes, I messaged you on one of my FA accounts about your previous names, but no, I never asked any of my friends to message you on my behalf. There's a lot of people who have a grudge against you, and all you're doing is throwing out half baked excuses? This is very reminiscent of what went down 2 years ago. Had you fessed up to your shortcomings, we wouldn't be here today.

You have a track record, not only with me, but various other people that had already been made aware that you had returned to the scene, even after claiming you'd never be back again.

Talk about shady business.

[westly-roanoke.livejournal.com]

Okay, I have to ask. How does this entry make you worry for your safety?

[emikochan13.livejournal.com]

All you need to do is provide evidence of said threats Kurenaipaladin, most IM programs keep logs (at least the ones I use *shrug*)

I'm sure your lawyer would say the same.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

The way kurenaipaladin is overreacting here by threatening to call the police in response to proof being produced of the money they owe seems very suspicious to me.

I don't know the full story, but being caught out in a lie ("I promised you 250") is not the same as a threat of physical harm. Especially when they both live in two different countries. :| Hysterics really aren't helping anyone's case here.

[puppetmaker40.livejournal.com]

A REMINDER

DO NOT delete posts. Only Moderators are allowed to and we check with each other before doing so.

Also I will applaud that (for the most part) this has stayed civil.

Now I am asking that we all take a step back and a breath before replying.

[wereguitar.livejournal.com]

I think the mods already covered that.

[shailai.livejournal.com]

Ok, since my FA name (Lightningfire) has been brought up on this one I guess I'll offer some clarification. In late 2007, Nyghtwulf, myself, and a few others had been in the process of coordinating a large (7-8chars) group picture for a channel we were all in, to be done by Svetlana. I'd not had much experience with commissioning art art that point, but went in on it as Nyght had had a decent number of pieces done by the artist without issue, up to then. I personally had paid, directly to the artist via Paypal, $160 for two of the characters (my own plus another as a gift).

Shortly after the money was paid, Svetlana announced, "I can't possibly do adult furry art anymore!" dropped more or less off of FA, and nothing ever happened on the piece. Things went back and forth for a while between Nyght and Svetlana (I didn't have any means of direct contact), and Nyght did manage to get some of their money back from Svetlana. At that point, Svetlana was claiming my personal money was included in that payment to Nyght. The best analogy here would be, Bill loans money to Fred, but when asked for it back Fred announces, "I owed money to George, too, and paid it all back to him. Go talk to George, not me." Nyght, for their part, was fairly certain this wasn't the case, but wasn't able to track all of the Paypal records to be certain.

At one point, I believe I was offered a small, quick sketch (which I believe were being sold for $40 at the time) as "compensation" for any extra that hadn't been allegedly transferred to Nyght. I wasn't about to accept this "offer" at the time, as it was more an insult than anything (to use the Bill and Fred example from above, Bill gives Fred money for a car, but Fred can't deliver the car, so offers a toy car instead).

I lodged a complaint with Paypal, of course, but the whole event had taken long enough that Paypal's whole response consisted of, "Over 45 days. Not our problem." And that's where it sorta died. Honestly, I'd long since given up on ever seeing anything out of that whole mess, and considered it a dead affair until this popped up...

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

Do you have any proof to support this? Caps from paypal, notes, anything?

[kora-atlass.livejournal.com]

In response to the supposed "threats of physical harm" I had apparently made to the accused, I updated the main body containing the final conversations that I have had with this user 2 years ago prior to said individual ceasing all forms of communication with me.

[digivolution.livejournal.com]

This is gonna get interesting.

[wereguitar.livejournal.com]

Judging by how terrified DiceLion is already (whether people think it's valid or not) I dont think it's cool to show her PERSONAL information here which includes her address that she's gone lengths to have hidden from any sort of further harassment. just sayin'

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Kora, I ask that if you are PMing Kurenai to harass her, that you stop. We don't want people harassing others via AB here and she has made it very clear she doesn't want you contacting her.

[kora-atlass.livejournal.com]

I have not contacted the user since lastnight, which was before I knew who she was. Even then, it was on FurAffinity, not LJ.

[crystamartin.livejournal.com]

And now kurenai starts to delete her comments... :/

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

Of course, that's her standard procedure. Once she realises she's been rumbled she pulls a DFE and gets a new name.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

I hope people capped this, she's deleting her comments.

[crystamartin.livejournal.com]

DESPITE the warning above about deleting comments - in two separate threads.

Not looking good on her side. :/

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

kurenaipaladin has chosen to delete all of her comments despite being warned that a permaban will be a result of such an action.

As such, she has been permabanned.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Also, due to her behaviour and lack of evidence supporting her side, I am putting the beware tag back onto the post.

[meleeisgood.livejournal.com]

No wonder I miss all the craziness on the internet. That all happened within the space of 45 minutes. Damn.

Either that or work has finally broken me and I am completely unaware of the time.

[anjel-kitty.livejournal.com]

Oh looks like Kasai is doing her Delete and run away from the problem again. I vote that this earns her a permanent ban from this community.

[digivolution.livejournal.com]

Oh my god so it is Kasai.

Damn that girl is nuuuuuuuuuutso.

[wereguitar.livejournal.com]

First of all, ED is hardly a credible source to use.
Second, why even screen your post when the damn police report is RIGHT THERE.

I honestly dont see why ED should ever be linked to an A_B entry.

[zackfig.livejournal.com]

WTB screencaps. =/

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Kora, would you please remove the ED link from the main post?

[wereguitar.livejournal.com]

Kora, you might want to edit the police report even more. You just removed the province instead of her actual address...

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

kurenaipaladin is now threatening legal action because of this entry. She claims her and her parents are involving a lawyer and that I will 'hear of this' because it is 'libel and slander', and I have refused to remove the entry on grounds she has provided no proof of her side.

I am still very disappointed.

[kora-atlass.livejournal.com]

This is very much fail on her part. I laugh at her futile attempts.

[maschevitz.livejournal.com]

For those that want to see the whole story, here is the saved file from before Kurenai went on a deleting spree.

https://www.yousendit.com/download/ aHlSd0VPd0FwTVZjR0E9PQ

Pardon my skepticism...

[snobahr.livejournal.com]

...but you're providing a link, from an account that was created today, to download what, exactly? screencaps? Photobucket can be your friend.

[furinari.livejournal.com]

What disturbs me about this artist is that she keeps making alts on FA and opening up for more commissions, either Dragoneer and co. need to start making with some accomodations for scam victims.

On this forum I used to moderate with a large "buyer-seller" commission community, we bound ONE account to a user's IP. IF they had any more accounts with the same IP, all accounts would be banned. FA should do something similar.

[meleeisgood.livejournal.com]

I wonder if that's being brought up anywhere on FA, the fact that she IS Kasai and therefore stay away from her? Does 'Neer even know about what's going on right now? Considering she's using FA to get a lot of her commissions, I'd think he'd want to take a look into it.