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Date: 2011-05-07 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com
Does she actually work down the list? I know several artists keep a list but don't necessarily work in that order, myself included (though mine is not public). And the fact she's not accepting new commissions is a good sign, but 8 months is a really long time for a pin-up, especially if it's digital work. You can give her a deadline to be shown at least a WIP, after which you want a refund.

Date: 2011-05-07 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leahtaur.livejournal.com
At this point I don't think sending a note once a day would be going too far. She said she doesn't read notes until she's ready to start on that person but that is just not a good system, and hopefully if you send them that constantly it'll get her to open one. It's her poor communication that would irk me more than having to wait. It's not as if she's kept you updated on the situation. :/

Absolutely ask for your refund, it's been too long without communication.

Date: 2011-05-07 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com
I don't think a note a day will get you anything but blocked. But a daily comment/shout maybe? Or weekly if you're worried they might report you for spamming.

Date: 2011-05-07 05:38 pm (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
If I recall correctly, her list is in alphabetical order, so being at the bottom doesn't mean much. Maybe send her a note asking how many people are in front of you in terms of getting art done and if it's too much just ask for a refund?

If anything I'd say its worse to take a month of if they're the primary source of income. If you do it for pocket money, you can just go without the pocket money for a month, if they're income, then you're in deep trouble as you're a month behind in work.

Date: 2011-05-08 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbneko.livejournal.com
While she has been ignoring you tons so far, give her a little more time to actually read you're note. I mean, I checked her page, all I saw was a new picture posted 3 hours ago. It's not really that much activity. Unless I missed something of course.

For the list, is it possible she just hasn't updated it? I personally put a date of when my list was last updated, but most don't, so maybe she completed some stuff but you wouldn't know. (Then there's no point in a list, but, you get what I mean).

Date: 2011-05-08 02:10 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
As long and confusing as her list is, it's not being properly represented. She's at the bottom because its alphabetical, something I pointed out last time she posted, but the poster brings up her position as if it means everyone before her on the list will be getting their work first.

Date: 2011-05-08 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sbneko.livejournal.com
No worries, I know. I saw you're comment about it, but I didn't mean because her position didn't change, I meant more since she made it sound like the list itself hasn't changed. Some people just aren't good at updating those things.

Date: 2011-05-08 02:31 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
Very true! There are a couple.

From what I can tell it at least doesn't have the info for the commissions she posted just over two weeks ago, then again that does really throw a wrench in the story of not doing any commission work at all.

Date: 2011-05-08 03:20 pm (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
Well, you note in your post that you're on the bottom of it, it's clear she doesn't go in order of the list (the 'first' three aren't started and the second to last one is), and that the list is ordered by username, not the order of completion. To me that seems like you're intentionally misrepresenting the case.

Date: 2011-05-09 04:41 pm (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
You're only misrepresenting that aspect. Or if you prefer, why would bring up the position the list if you know the order is arbitrary?

I do think the artist is wrong, very wrong. Your case is strong enough as it is? Why try to misrepresent something to get in one last dig?

Date: 2011-05-10 06:21 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
I'm sorry for over-reacting, it's one of those things where sometimes tone helps a lot, and obviously, there's no tone on the internet.

Date: 2011-05-08 02:15 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
I don't know how you paid, but maybe you could charge back on a credit card? That being said, Look at her account, when her activity is, etc. and if you're going to threaten anything, wait a bit for her to read the first note, then if she still doesn't, send her a note and email (if possible) with a subject referencing that this is time sensitive.

That being said, I don't have a problem with you complaining that her list is so long, but you again talk about how you're at the bottom of it, when that really has nothing to do with anything and is misrepresenting the situation.

Date: 2011-05-08 03:20 pm (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
Also, have you sent her a link to the posts? Sometimes that helps.

Date: 2011-05-07 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neolucky.livejournal.com
If you're asking for a refund, do it a few times a week at the very least and state that you want nothing but that. I wouldn't try once a day, since that may become a 'harassment' issue. If anything else, try and get ahold of one of the FA mods and tell them about the lack of communication. Sometimes they seem to care about that, and prod artists into finishing their work! (sometimes)

Date: 2011-05-08 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neolucky.livejournal.com
give this final note a good solid week. If it's not read and she's been active, or it's been read and no reply, THEN talk to a mod. Or send a second note explaining that you will be contacting mods if she doesn't make any attempts to contact you.

Date: 2011-05-08 02:16 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
This is really good advice.

Date: 2011-05-08 02:16 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
I'd also recommend to include a deadline for her to respond in the second note.
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Date: 2011-05-25 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koudoawaia.livejournal.com
This is a close friend of Electrocat. She's been suffering burnout which is why she has had to take more time off and as such is unable to issue refunds right now since she has no income coming in while she's recovering from her burnout. Badgering her about it is just going to make it worse, she'll take longer to recover and you'll have to wait that much longer for your refund. Your frustration is understandable but just try to be patient and there's no need to sic the staff on her. Her emotions and nerves are in a very frayed state right now due to the burnout and the smallest bit of this kind of stress can make her break completely. She wouldn't be taking this recovery time if it wasn't absolutely necessary.

Date: 2011-05-25 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] koudoawaia.livejournal.com
Yeah I can understand your situation and it does sound like you have been patient for a long time. I know she's not the type to just rip people off though even if things are taking awhile. Just wanted to explain her current situation. She's actually under doctor's orders not to work right now because of the burnout. Just try to keep being patient and I hope everything works out for the best.

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Date: 2011-12-18 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shukivengeance.livejournal.com
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