*twitch twitch twitch*

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

Wow the Jace saga continues....though this time I think he did soemthing....by completely stepping on my toes..........
When we first did this agreement I told him no gore/vore/bathroom stuff cause all that grosses me out.......
Me being desperate said he could make anything he wanted character wise and doing whatever as long as it ddin't include those three....now I know vore is one of his favorites but I said "NO".
So I get an email today telling me that he's about to ink the sketches which he has yet to show me and he tells me about the vore too.......
Do I really deserve this?
Seriously I need soemone who's going to FC to smack him upside the head for me...... any volinteers?

Comments

[wereguitar.livejournal.com]

Whaaaat? thats really not fair, this picture is being made for YOU, not him.

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

I know....but I'm seriously doubting he'll do it at all...on teh side of comissioners I can see why alot don't wanna pay up front....

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

All I know is he has a table at FC and taht he goes to FC about every year.....

[bailzzararco.livejournal.com]

He probably thought you said no gore, core, or bathroom stuff.

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

Hey I'm the one who can type that people can read I shouldn't have my stuff misinteriperted...... But seriously if I was in CA he'd so have taht kick in the balls....well not really but I'd yell load....ok I'd ask him politely and he'd be nice about it and i'd ask him at the end of the con and he'd say he has stuff but in his room and then i'd email him later get some more BS and then a week after that he'd say he just did sketches taht he'll scan after work the day after...... bascily besides the whole FC thing this is how it's been for me......

[duraji-synth.livejournal.com]

I'll be at FC, and since I rather dislike vore (though I tolerate it only because some of my friends like it for whatever reason), I could bitch out Jace for you, I guess. I, too, have had my share of commissioned ideas ruined because they did something I totally told them not to do, or completely ignored the descriptions I gave them in the first place!

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

How long till FC I doubt very much that he will but incase (insert god of choice) comes down and smacks him making him realise his mistake I wanna be able to go "Hey he accually did it!" and provide a link or something
though it depends not only if but what he does(for showing the link)....so I'll keep you posted if anything happens....if not feel free... My name is Alex Danner I paid 300$ and my email is kitsunez@yahoo.com. I think thats basicly all you need. Though if multiple people go on my behalf I'd be so happy!

looky this....

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

this is in response to when i told him not to ink before he showed me and taht he should tell me about the idea he's going to draw before he does it.

" I will come up witha concept ok it by you and bring it to completion. I will
nto go ona rotateign schedual of producing hudreds of sketches and only to
have tons of revisions. I took you more recent jsut draw me soemthigna long
thsese lines and went with that. Im goginto finish that image for my pwn
purposes theni wil work on soemthign new for you but Im nto goging to hgo
through a processs of revsion after each sketch.
I dotn have the tiem to do it that way."

Re: looky this....

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah......AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
forgot taht part.....I really did wanna add that to the last post.....

Re: looky this....

[duraji-synth.livejournal.com]

Oh, the magic of spelling could have helped here...

Re: looky this....

[fierycatthing.livejournal.com]

Wow, I don't know what would frustrate me more. His spelling, or the fact that he just won't get it. And he claims not to have time to do it this way when if he just did it right the first time, he'd be long done by now! :/

I do wish you luck on finally getting the completed product. The roller coaster he's been throwing you on is really unnecessary.

~RedFeather

Re: looky this....

[duraji-synth.livejournal.com]

"I dotn have the tiem to do it that way."

But he sure had plenty of time to be lazy and show you nothing, and he charged you THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS. He seems like an ass. :/

[thaily.livejournal.com]

What do you hope to achieve by having someone else start a scene at a con?

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

A scene no....maybe since I'm a whole country people help will get him to do something he's owed me for more than a year and a half......I mean 300$ I spent up front and if you look back at my other posts you can see what I've had to put up with.

GURGLE!

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

"I do have respect but theres a difference soem people want me to drop
every
thign and produce tons of tiny sekteceh to nipick over and I cant workt
hat
way.
Its jsutno how my brain works it will cause evenm ore issued than weve
arlreewady had.
the biggest thing that put a stop on this before was your attitude
towards
the artist and artist in genral. We are not machines we dont produce
porn
lieak factory. We cannot opperate ina machine like ordrely fashion. Or
atleast i cannot most artist I know dont do that either.
Im tryignto produce lovely art that is beautifully erotic soulfull and
inspiring for you. I cannot jsut whip it out"

this after I told him taht he's shown very little respect for me a a comissioner and that It's been since 2004 in june taht he's owed me this stuff so all that stuff in 2005 has nothign to do with it. Then I told him why not work at FC......here's what I got.....

"Im jsut goignto contimue working on stuff I think you will want and
show you
waht I got before the con.
I cannot work at the con. I barely am able to draw sketches at all at
FC. Im
usally to stressed and scattered. I can jsut havea gun pointed to my
head
and told to draw.
If I have not coem to a resomlution and Ihave themoney I will jsut
refund
you at the con but Im not sure what I willahve there or waht kind of
time I
willahve or anythign I never make any promises abou art to be produced
onthe
spot at FC.

I cant work liek that very few peopel can. and those who can are not
me."

then I told him to just send the 300$ since he's a top billing artist and he should definately get taht much at FC......this is what I got yet again...yes he's rapidly emailing me back.....

"I may be not esplaining my thought process well.
Once ive sketch somethign I have to work onit as fast as Ican or the
idea
goes cold inmy head if I dotnink anc colour it soonIt becoems harder
and
harder to work on, Its oneof thos ideas while its freshin my head.
I try to work quickly but oftentiems things get gummed up.
We also have strong differences in opinon and styles. you must work
faster
than me so you think every one shoudl work simualr to you. Its often my
problem Ithink peopel think and work simualrly to me. Im different and
Ive
beeen ata loss tryignto exspalin how. I often get emotionally ited int
art
its part of the reason why its so beutifull but its also why when Im
moody I
cannot always preform. I work withmy emotions and dont try to suppress
them
I think my art is better for it the disadvantage is soemtiems whenIm
screwedc up or angry the art is also screwed up and angry."

I wonder what the next response will be.....

Re: GURGLE!

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

NVM this was in my mailbox immediately after I posted this
"I dont always. art isa weird thing. Besides this year IVe only got abit
of
new stuff. nothignin the artshow.
Im so stressed at themoment I exspect to snap in half and end up inthe
loony
bin any way."

Re: GURGLE!

[duraji-synth.livejournal.com]

So... he spent your $300 without even having a sketch for you. That's pretty awful!

[susandeer.livejournal.com]

Wait, wait...lemme get something straight... And please don't flame me, I'm just being a messenger of reason...

Gore, vore, and bathroom stuff are all the things Jace likes to do. It's what he does best, because he likes it. Why in the heck would you ask him to do otherwise? And then be surprised that he's been avoiding you and the job?

Forget about getting a commission. Just work on getting your money back. Serisouly.

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

jace likes vore...those three are stuff i can't stand.....and I didn't know jace was heavy into vore untill later on...he does normal stuff....I mean just as an example if artist A: likes drawing mexican hat dancers but draws alot of other stuff and agrees to do a trade for soemthign else shouldn't comissioner B: be able to assume that he can draw more than mexican hat dancer since he has done comissions for other people before taht weren't mexican hat dancers.....your totally missing the point....he agree'd to draw me soemthing and I told him what i don't like drawn....then out of frustration I told him...go wild i don't care as long as you do something that isn't those three things and he drew one of those three things cause he forgot.......also he's on the other side of teh country I can't do anything right now......

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

The thing is i've tried to get art or money out of him...anything and after stalling for about a year and a half I doubt i'll ever get to see any work or my money........I'm too far away and my internet voice isn't loud enough to make a matter for him -.-

[airukitsu.livejournal.com]

Dood, for three hundred, I wanna see this biznatch when it is done. Or gimme an example of what you paid for with something else he drew? That is just crazy! And he doesnt even show you the proccess. I do that with most everything except the free stuff. 8(

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

Hmm Jace has a Furaffinty account so you can search for him (furaffinty.com) he does good work(lots of dragons and stuff)

[gungho-squirrel.livejournal.com]

This guy seems like a dick. Sorry to say. I don't care how talented he may be (I've never seen his stuff), the way he writes is enough to make me shoot myself in the foot. I would never be able to handle doing business with him.

Sorry to say, but this appears to be a poorly planned commission. I can only hope you come out of this retarded mess a lot smarter when it comes to commissioning people. Especially for that much money. And for as long as you've been waiting... that's just sick. This almost smells like a dirty con.

Let the community know if you ever actually get the art, and please post it here under a cut for scrutiny. :D Haha...

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

Well I got an email today....lets see.....

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

Here's the concept sketch for the thing he made me OMFG
http://img423.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cockvoredemonsketch8xg.jpg
yeah he sent me something! OMFG!
he also sent me the one that he told me about..... but this one isn't anything kinky so......

[gungho-squirrel.livejournal.com]

... Can you please link some of this guys finished work? I'm having a hard time believing anything that he craps out onto paper would ever be worth $300. Especially when you've been waiting for a year and all you get is a lousy incredibly rough sketch (finally).

[foxstar.livejournal.com]

Meh, deleted my post by mistake.

This is typical Jace. This really is typical Jace and i'm sad to say your not the only one. Best thing you can do is seriously take him to court over it and not just blow hot air. Have -all- of the paperwork related to it and if you need to, talk to some local lawyers. But no, starting shit at FC is -not- the way to go and damn well not by proxy.

[madd-tom-kit.livejournal.com]

How am I supposed to take him to court? I have literally no money no transportation no nothing.....

[saitenyo.livejournal.com]

$300 seems a bit much. I mean, if you really feel the art is worth that ammount...but I've seen his work, and it's fine and all, but not worth $300. That's around what Ursula Vernon charges for her original paintings, and she's one of the most talented/professional artists in the online furry art community. If this is just a little character piece like most of the stuff in his gallery, then it seems -way- overpriced.

Also...drawing something you specifically told him not to? That's just bad form. If he felt he just couldn't help himself and would -have- to draw vore, then he should have said he couldn't do the commission. That's extremely unprofessional. If I for any reason feel incapable of completing a commission to the commissioner's expectations, I tell them that. I don't take their money and run with it, and then give them something they specifically asked me NOT to do.

It sounds like this guy has no regard for the commissioner, and is only interested in getting lots of money to do what he wants to do. I'd try and get your money back and be careful to avoid people (and prices!) like that in the future.

Some artists really prefer to take money upfront because they're wary of commissioners not paying once they've put all that time and effort into the piece. I always request payment before I start the commission. But if you're going to commission an artist who wants payment up front, first do a little research and make sure they have a good track record for getting things done.