itsfurrytime on tumblr

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

WARNING! MANY PICS ARE NSFW! http://itsfurrytime.tumblr.com/

A lot of the art on the gallery is not credited to the original artists, and i do not believe any have given permission.

you can contact support@tumblr.com to ask for it to be removed.

edited for clarification and to add what can be done if you see your art there and want it down.

Comments

Kind of an Advice 4 Artists

[conigliomannaro.livejournal.com]

Not trying to justify this person, but unfortunately Tumblr is an effin heaven for this kinda shit. People start a themed blog and post images, most often without crediting, to offer other people a place to check for specific things. The most Internet-art savvy mods do include crediting (and when used well, with crediting where it's due, Tumblr is a pretty good place in which to showcase art and spread the word) while the rest of people consider it obvious that they don't claim ownership on the pictures posted, and think that it is enough to put them in a safe spot. For this I consider it a matter of ignorance, more than real malice.

There are so many inexperienced kids on Tumblr that, probably, the best idea for artists is to include watermarks/urls in their pictures; that way, if the Tumblr 'thief' doesn't credit, people will still know whom the picture belongs to.

Re: Kind of an Advice 4 Artists

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

Its the same thing like facebook, but i do not want my art posted anywhere by ANYONE but me and i know other artists feel the same.

[dilario.livejournal.com]

uh... does this really count as "stolen"?

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

the ones that do not have credit probably are counted as being stolen.

[mialattia.livejournal.com]

A lot of the artists are of course ace enough to put their name or web address on their images, looking through the selection.

Yes, I realize artists don't like their work posted without asking, being one myself, but that's what signatures and watermarks are for. On the Internet, sharing communities like Tumblr DO exist, and since they are sharing the work and not claiming it, I would consider it free publicity. The artist is posting these images free online to begin with, and these people are sharing them. In the age of a great many sites to blog, reblog, post, share, etc, you have to realize this is going to happen if you share your work.

Most any artist can do is ask them to delete the post or whatever, but they're not stealing, they're sharing (albeit without the original links, so far as I can see).

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

the only things i see as more 'stealing' and such are the ones with no credits. I'm fine with sharing if im asked or whatever, but i know that many artists are not.

[snowyedges.livejournal.com]

Aaaa there's one similar to this, called "FinerFur" that does the same exact thing -- they wound up posting a commission of mine that I did not want posted anywhere else, I "submitted" to them asking them to take it down (since they had no option for messaging) and I don't think they ever did, which is really rude and unprofessional, imo. If the commissioner wants it taken down, take it down. : |
I normally wouldn't mind, they DID link back to the artist (though they don't always, from what I see) - but the picture itself got a bit of flak and I had something akin to a mild panic attack over it. A bit of an over-reaction, yeah, but it's something I really have no control over no matter how stupid the reason is. 9___6 I feel targeted easily, I guess. Herp.

I really dislike tumblrs like this. Not sure there's really anything we can do to stop them, though.

[tooiebird.livejournal.com]

FineFur does credit by linking to the original submission if you click on the image. But no, they do not ask for permission to re-post stuff.

[hellebore.livejournal.com]

Itfurrytime links back to artists when they can.

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

a lot of them are not linked back, plus some artists just dont want their art up.

[foxhack.livejournal.com]

http://itsfurrytime.tumblr.com/post/10326000220/unfortunately-a-bunch-of-furries-got-super-butthurt

Also, tumblr is weird. I've seen stuff that's been reblogged, and the source isn't listed anywhere other than the FIRST POST. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass to find that first post because of crappy journal layouts.

[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

This is very true. Since you can do whatever you please with your tumblr layout (including build one from the ground up, without having to use a pre-made from the Theme Garden), some people code theirs so they don't have text/whatever on their main pages and you have to click through to find any information on the post.

Sometimes, when people reblog images, they remove the text in the caption box because they don't want the clutter on their page. This isn't an issue that the theme blogs should be held accountable for (if they're putting credit on the post to begin with, of course), but it's not something you can stop.

Generally, people who reblog and remove words in the caption box leave the click through or link back in tact.

[bumblybutt.livejournal.com]

[slyminera.livejournal.com]

'It bothers me more that people keep going along with "WELL IT'S ON TUMBLR, AND IT'S THE INTERNET, OH WELL"'
And that common excuse can easily be debunked with this lovely article I found through About.com a few weeks ago :D
http://www.llrx.com/features/bloggersbeware.htm
Myth #2, specifically.

[ocelotish]

I guess I can understand being frustrated about this, but ultimately I think this is one of those cases where you're not going to be able to "win." I can't imagine tumblrs asking for permission or anything like that. However, personally I'd view this as more minor than wanting to put something in a FA/DA gallery or such. Tumblr is designed for passing along things that aren't theirs, kind of a "Look at this, it's neat!" site. The artists generally seem linked to in the main post (while it generally says something like "Sourced from furaffinity.net" the link goes to the artist's page, and that generally seems like it always says the domain rather than the subdirectoy).

Finally there is a recent post addressing the issue: here which specifies that the art can be removed if necessary. However, I'd encourage people to really examine this issue because I don't think it's going away anytime soon.

Personally I view this a little differently than other reuses of the artwork just because the tumblrs are generally just there to pass along artwork recommendations to people they think would like it. If you are concerned about images getting reposted, I'm make a very clear indication on the submission itself that it should not be reposted (while your copyright should include that, it will help clarify things to state it explicitly). However, to save yourself the headache, I'd only worry about it on a handful of images, make it clear that these few cannot be reposted anywhere due to whatever reason the reason is, and if possible, watermark them a lot. It may not be great for viewing them, but if you really want to stop people from reposting, that's your best bet.

The problem is most people reposting on tumblr don't see what they're doing as wrong, because they're not claiming the images of theirs, particularly if relinking them and they're not really gaining anything from reposting, even though the artist might. I think it's easier to respect "Please don't repost or reblog this anywhere due to its sensitive content" or something like that than "Don't repost any of my artwork anywhere under any circumstances." The former will tell someone that this image is off limits for a "good" reason, the second says everything's off limits because the artist is strict, and I'd be more likely to go against the latter - it leaves more room for rationalizing things and it doesn't give me anything I can show off.

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[obliviousally.livejournal.com]

I run a furry-themed tumblr blog. I repost things from Furaffinity with the bookmarklet, which includes a link back to the image and the artist name. I also reblog anthro-related artwork I see around tumblr, often from other furry art blogs. Often, these don't have sources because people don't know the sources.

No one is required to ask permission to repost your artwork and, even if you state that you don't wish to have it reposted, no one has to abide by that. This is the downside of posting your art on a public place (or on the internet at all). Frequently, people will have a conniption because there is no visible credit, but the image will have a click through with the image (like finerfur often does).

Also, in regards to those who have put in requests to have their art taken down through the tumblr ask box should be aware that tumblr often eats messages (no one knows why, it just happens sometimes). So there's always a changce that the blog owner simply didn't receive your message.on the other hand, they could just be a jerk.

(any typos or such are blamed on my phone's tiny keyboard)

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[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

Actually, you are wrong. The person IS required to ask permission. If someone does not want it to be reposted, then legally...reposting it is stealing even when credit is given.

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[kekiko.livejournal.com]

Free publicity. Next.

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[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

copyright infringement as well.

[carms-lady.livejournal.com]

Using watermarks never really hurt anyone. These days, I think it's a necessity.

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

Pretty much this.

[heathermasanon.livejournal.com]

I dunno, I think this is blown out of proportion. Tumblr is mainly an image sharing site and while many people try to put credit, often they just don't know what it is. If you don't want your art up, then just ask them to take it down, and 99% of the time, they will. No one is taking credit for it, so I definitely don't see this as art theft.

[marus-puppy.livejournal.com]

This.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

I'm not going to get into an argument for either side because this always turns out messy, but one thing I never understood was why there are so many people who enjoy the artwork artists make, but are also so eager to mock them and go against their wishes if they express they don't want their work reposted, much less not respect them enough to ask their permission to repost their work to begin with.

It's just not something I get. Somebody makes something and posts it. You like it, and you tell the artist thank you by just kind of taking it and doing whatever you want with it? I don't get it, I guess. Why wouldn't you want to be nice and respectful and ask first when somebody has shown you something you enjoy for free? Artists are being nice enough to share what they make, but you don't have to be nice enough to ask first?

Even in this post, there's a lot of 'Well I'm gonna do what I want and if the artist doesn't like it, piss on them! I'm gonna do it anyway!'. Why? Why would you want to treat the people who make things you enjoy that way?

Don't mind me. It just confuses me that people are so flippant about the feelings of people who do cool things and share that with people.

All that said, this is why I put the URL to my FA gallery on my pictures even though I feel like it detracts from the piece, because people are lazy and don't always credit.

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

Sometimes it's hard to credit and not everyone's mocking. That's the difficulty of the internet search engine, when sometimes images pop up without credit.

Not all rebloggers are criminals. :/

[taasla.livejournal.com]

You know, tumblr people, telling people that they are "butthurt" and mocking them does you no favors in getting people to be happy about you reposting their work. It only makes you look worse. :)

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

I've been trying to be civil but it's like it's not getting through some thick skulls. :/

[ragecake.livejournal.com]

I follow that tumblr, and most of the time, if there is credit to be given, it will be a majority of the time.
Seriously, Im pretty sure if you say, "OHAI, that picture is mine, could you remove it/credit me" they would.

The reason they're so pissed off right now, is because the person running that tumblr, is getting epictons of hatemail, which really doesn't help anyone, except make the artists look like children.

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

THIS THIS THIS

All of the Tumblr comms I'm on will GLADLY give credit if the artist asks them to, and same with removing art!

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

Wow I'm a bit shocked at the lack of respect for artists on this com. Totally NOT expected.

[keeperofdreams.livejournal.com]

I LIVE with an artist. I'm friends with several others. Reblogging stuff doesn't mean that I have no respect for them!

[zydala.livejournal.com]

Eh, just want to post some clarification since it's being used interchangeably:

Copyright infringement is not theft, nor is it considered theft in court. Copyright infringement means taking advantage of the copyright holder's rights without authorization. Theft is taking property and depriving the original owner of it. The original owner isn't being deprived of the art; they still have access to the file. So it's not 'stealing'. The owner of the tumblr has no intention of saying anything that is posted there was created by them, source or no source.

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

As far as i know if people do not post credits on some things then it is ASSUMED that they have drawn it. If they dont say that they didnt draw it or anything like that then it can be considered as theft.

[neolucky.livejournal.com]

My arts there, but I told them as long as they post my signed/watermarked work and NOT cropped paysite art, it's fine (Id rather they didn't post ANY paysite art, but at least if not cropped you can see where it came from). They aren't mean, just shoot them a note and ask politely if they'd remove or credit your art. Its not a very popular blog, it won't make any money off you, I don't see this as theft - just a minor annoyance.

It's not worth getting flustered over. I've had my art posted online for years and while I wish people would ask, it's the nature of the net. It's best to simply let them share so long as they know whose it is. Being less possessive is far better stress wise.

They aren't taking credit for any of the art, trust me there. I've talked to the owner, and he simply just collects it like E621 does. He will credit if you ask. He respected me enough to listen.

You're being over dramatic, and over possessive. Saying there's a lack of respect here is incredibly insulting - not every artist cares as much as you do about reblogging, and many of us realize it's pretty futile to fight it.

Just let it go, and calm down.

[zydala.livejournal.com]

Personally I feel this as well. In the very technical sense there's infringement, but all artists will respond to it differently, just like major companies pick and choose how to respond to fanart/fiction, representation, etcetera.

I'd say there was a complete lack of respect if they refused to take stuff down.

[purpule.livejournal.com]

I generally disagree with artist's work being reposted without permission - but this shit happens. Some people don't actually know what they're doing might be a negative to the artist and genuinely want to share the work, for this reason I put my web address on everything I post now. The majority don't actually mean any harm by it.

[sbneko.livejournal.com]

Me personally, I don't mind my art being shared. It will help get me more views, but that doesn't really work if they don't know who it's by. I might start putting "Strawberryneko @ FA" on my art, so people know where to find me.

I completely do understand people should ask first, but when you're so used to how the internet is, it can be difficult to think about asking first, more so when you don't know the original artist in the first place.

I don't reupload artwork randomly. I'll do it if it was done for me and add in who did it. But, if something is already on tumblr and I see my friend re-blogged it, I'll do so. I mean, I don't really feel as if I'm doing something bad by reblogging something already on the site. Especially since there's no way for me to know if the artist gave the original poster permission or not. I'm sure the artst would get annoyed to get 100+ notes about reblogging.

*You seem new to tumblr. Uploading is different then rebloging. Rebloging is basically saying, hey, i like this, look! Same as giving someone a link to it, but it'll show up on your page.

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

I'm actually fine with reblogging and see that some (very few, but some) are reblogged, and im okay with that since it's not their fault. But a lot of them are not.

[peludrax.livejournal.com]

My final word on this subject, since it's been quite interesting and a learning experience for me to see both sides of the coin.

1.) Some people like the free exposures, others don't. It isn't fair to assume that just because some people like it, everyone does.

2.) Believe it or not, some people do like a certain level of anonymity/privacy. Just because they post on FA or even DeviantArt doesn't mean they want their art all over the place.

3.) It's not art theft,nor illegal, but again, the polite thing to do in the situation is to ask, so for future bloggers/tumblurs please ask! It won't do you any harm, and if you're afraid the artist will say no, then go on the safe side and don't post.

4.) If you feel, despite knowing 1, 2, and 3, that you are entitled to repost artwork from any artist at any time without consent, give all possible credit to avoid future problems. And if somebody contacts you wanting their art down, don't take it personally, remember you took it without asking, so they have every single right to ask you to take it down, free exposure or not.

As for artists, I guess sadly we're moving into an age where if you don't watermark your stuff you're going to get it taken, only post stuff on public or even semi public sites that you don't mind being reposted everywhere. Keep everything else behind lock and key, or on personal sites where you can control who sees it and if/how it can be used. If it does get posted, most sites seem fine with stuff being taken down, but others might fight you like crazy ( seen several instances of this) to keep it on their site, so again, I guess only post things you don't mind being taken and re-posted everywhere.

Just kinda' a summation of what I learned today, and advice I'd give soo *shrugs* Take it or leave it I suppose.

[zydala.livejournal.com]

That's a really good summary and I don't think any of those points can be argued :]

it's actually kind of grey-area legal-wise (it IS copyright infringement but most people don't consider it worth the money to pursue) but I think as far as the reality of the situation goes, this is a great means of getting both sides to be respectful as possible.

[antoj.livejournal.com]

this is why i don't like tumblr.

[sbneko.livejournal.com]

I went to check it out. I'll admit, I would like to actually know who these artists are. While as I said, I personally would not make a big deal out of it, it kinda defeats the point if I can't find that artist to watch.

[ocelotish]

Most of them you have to click on the arrow at the top right to go to the post itself, then it has the source at the bottom.

[maryseif.livejournal.com]

There sure is a lot of derp in here.

If someone doesn't ask first or credit, it's stolen. Period.

Free publicity or not, it's stolen.

[ocelotish]

What about fair use, education, transformative work, etc.?

Also in terms of copyright infringement, credit doesn't really mean much.

[stangwolf.livejournal.com]

I have to say, after reading through most of the comments here, I don't consider the person in question here, or those who are rebloggers, outright thieves and of being deliberately disrespectful or rude. I also believe the fact that he is crediting artists where he can and being respectful of their requests to remove their artwork if they so wish is a good point to him.

However, personally, I really would not appreciate it if someone snagged my art and reposted/reblogged it without my permission.

I'm not gonna go throw a hissy fit or have any kittens over it, but I wouldn't really be happy or jumping for joy either.

It isn't really that I'd be worried about them stealing my art, claiming it as their own, or making any kind of profit off of it. It's just, I find it a bit inconsiderate toward the artist to just assume they're cool with you reposting their art. Some are, but not all.

Free publicity, some sort of shout out, or courtesy to the artist would definitely not be the first thing on my mind if I ran across someone reposting my art without my permission. It might come later, considering the situation, but certainly not right off the bat.

Plus, to think of an artist as being "butthurt" because they choose to defend their art, and the argument that if someone doesn't want their art spread around with or without their consent they shouldn't post it at all is really disheartening.

Calling me "butthurt" or throwing the "You posted it publicly, so get over it." argument at me is not going to make me any happier or more understanding to your want to repost my artwork. That kind of attitude, with me personally, would be rather counter productive if someone wished to repost my art or do whatever with it.

Honestly, if someone wanted to reblog my art, recolor one of my lineart drawings, or something along those lines and was considerate enough and polite enough to ask me, 9 times out of 10 (10 out of 10 thus far) I'd be more than happy to grant their request.

I really don't think I'd be very angry if I found they'd done so without my permission, especially if they did credit me, but I would certainly let them know that next time I would be much more appreciative and happier if they asked first instead of just assuming I was an artist who doesn't care or something.

I do realize though, in some situations, it may be hard to find an artist, but really, I hope anyone who is reposting art does all they can to try and track down said artist instead of just finding the art and reposting it immediately. This, and other perhaps obvious reasons, are also why I'm trying to design a decent watermark for my art as well. So if anything, that may be a way to track down an artist or make sure they're given proper credit for their artwork.

Anyway, this was a really interesting post, and I have mixed feelings about some of the comments. However, they all gave me quite a bit to think and reflect on. In the end though, this is just my point of view, so you may take it or leave it.