[identity profile] go--banana.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware
(In reference to my previous post.)

I figured everyone else should see a copy of the form. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the original .doc file, and had to make a gritty version in MSword. It's the exact copy, word for word, just not as tidy as the original. :P Feel free to use, artists. Any part can be adjusted to suit the client and artist prior to signature. (Like artist reselling the picture; I personally don't use this section, and cross it out before signing. Another section is the telephone number. The client could just undisclose their number if so desired.)

And until I can find a free digital signature service, I'll stick to this. (I have not researched much in digital signatures, but the few I did see weren't free. Forgive me if I'm wrong... I'm learndign 2 b smrt! :B) Thank you everyone for their opinions! They were all very useful. :)


Name/Number of Piece:
Size/Format:
Description:
Applicable Lease/Ownership Conditions:
Amount Due:
Date Paid:
Term Limit:

By signing this agreement, you have acknowledged the ownership rights to the intellectual property of __________________. Under the terms of this agreement, you have paid a sum for the leasing of said property. (For ownership conditions continue to bottom of form.) Please be advised that the terms of this agreement can be revoked if you do not uphold the following terms:

Agreement Terms:
- The image will not be altered, and/or reproduced in any way, other than agreed upon purpose.
- Term limit for this agreement, unless otherwise noted is one full year from date of lease. You may not reuse the images, or any likeness without further permission.
- (Your name) must always be cited as the author of the image, and the use of said image is through (his/her) discretion.
- Sale of image; the image may be sold to other parties, at any time, by (Your name) without notification to the original party.
- Customized images are done with the understanding that (Your name) will hold the intellectual property rights to the image, regardless of subject matter.
- Images leased from (Your name) may not be used on websites, blogs, or other electronic media without the written consent of (Your name).

Ownership Terms:

Image ownership and all intellectual property rights of (Your name) are voided provided the following:
- The image has been purchased from (Your name) for the sum specified above.
- Ownership of the image has been transferred from (Your name) to either a second or third party.
- A written agreement has been made, specifying new/alternative ownership terms. This agreement must be made with the complete and full notification of (Your name).

Please fill out the following information:
Name:
Address:
Email Address:
Telephone Number:
Image Use/Number of Reproductions:
Date:
Signature:
Purchasing Specifications:
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Sickening...

Date: 2006-03-12 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com
Isn't it?

Will the world of friendly-trusting artists end like this?

I'm cringing on every word in that contract.

If an artist made me sign that, IMHO, I'd run screaming, warning my friends from buying from her because she/he whips out a damn contract even for a $5 con-badge to sign your life away... or else she'll sue.

"The image will not be altered..."

Not even coloured? WTf?

Re: Sickening...

Date: 2006-03-12 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com
"Images leased"???

Ya gunna take it away from me if I break 'lease'?

I could never agree to that, the whole contract.... a 'one year' contract.

It's like buying a cell-phone.

I dislike how I cannot scan it to the web, but (your name) can: I'd love to show all my friends what a cool pic (your name) drew for me and gain you publicity. It'll make a great LJ icon, prolly.

Re: Sickening...

Date: 2006-03-12 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com
True, I did read that as well.

I'm just commenting on the rest.

Date: 2006-03-12 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com
I just wish people didn't need to make/sign contracts; just use common-fucking sense, and not steal shit (both sides) and not be a dumbass (both sides as well).

Re: Sickening...

Date: 2006-03-12 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com
More or less, if that's truly 'the' contract you give to people, it's an immediate turn-off.

Date: 2006-03-12 01:05 am (UTC)
shriker: (oO;)
From: [personal profile] shriker
Just kind of... blinking at the current comments. o_O;

Artists, at least professional illustrators/etc, use contracts all the time (when dealing with both commercial businesses, and private commissions). Most people I know use them just as a receipt to have as a record of the work. I don't see a problem with having a contract at all. Of course, the example one here is a bit stiffer than one I'd use, specially for private commissions. :)

Date: 2006-03-12 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] conorchu.livejournal.com
I like this muchly, especially since there are buyers who sometimes suspiciously don't want signatures on what they're getting. Would you plan to have a photocopy of each piece to save with the contract in case problems arose? Seems like an idea to me...

Date: 2006-03-12 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com
That seems ok to me as well, but the same term "I don't want this image on the web" would apply to the artist as well, from me.

Buyers sometimes really realy hate having their characters commishion used in the artists's portfolio. It's looks poor on the artist as well because it will seem that he/she cannot come up with his/her own original characters, but needs the support of her/his commishioners to build his/her portfolio.

That's my homest opinion.

Date: 2006-03-12 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] conorchu.livejournal.com
If you bought a CD from Greenmonkey at FC this year then you've seen an old design for my character Larui. I bought a sketchbook from greenmonkey I believe a year ago and a few sketches of Larui are on the CDs he sold this year.

Am I offended? Fuck no, I am ecstatic about it. The fact that he thinks that work he did of my character is good enough to put on a CD makes me feel like he really gave his all on it and likes it as much as I do.

I'm not just an artist, i'm a buyer too but I can see where you're coming from. If you notice she said that terms can be talked out beforehand. I know artists that if you don't want that picture ever showing up anywhere else again you can pay a certain amount extra for it.

Date: 2006-03-12 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captpackrat.livejournal.com
That contract would be totally unacceptable to me, and I would take my business elsewhere.

When I commission someone, I am paying them to create a piece of art to my specifications. Under US Copyright Law, a work for hire is copyrighted to the commissioner, not the artist. If you want to make a contract that you can use the image for prints or other purposes, I will probably not have any problem with this. But if you want me to sign away my copyright on the image I am hiring you to create for me, forget it.

Re: Sickening...

Date: 2006-03-12 02:07 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-03-12 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com
Love the comments thus far.

As opposed to professional artists, casual fandom artists charge a pittance for their work and don't get anything black on white. As a result it's come to bite them in the ass on some occassions, though not enough for the idea of a contract to be acceptable.
Though with the way things are going I have a feeling artists will start making clear agreements with their customers in the future.

Furries are so fucking spoiled.

Personally I don't mind customers reposting their commissioned artwork (though a link back to my homepage is always awesome) or cropping it for icons etc. But if they started selling prints or taking credit for the work I'd be pretty agitated.
Maybe I should add an "I agree" TOS to my commission form when I add it to my homepage. I think it'd be less offensive and cumbersome than a contract.

Date: 2006-03-12 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com
Right, because artists are so unoriginal and uncreative that they have to steal YOUR character to become teh popular.


BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA*gasp*HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Date: 2006-03-12 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] westly-roanoke.livejournal.com
I like the idea of an "I agree" TOS. I'd be kind of put out if an artist started demanding things like my phone number, or my address if I was comissioning something digitally.

And apreciate an artist letting me crop for icons (with permission and credit of course!) I also would like to post the art I comission people for on my website, not only because I like to show people what I've gotten, but it helps the artist get more comissions, because I link back. And not only for a year...

Date: 2006-03-12 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiercereaper.livejournal.com
For anything private, I basically tell them they can do whatever they want with it as long as I'm credited if asked, and can display it as a portfolio item. Anything else I let them run wild, unless they use it for monetary gain(then royalties are to be discussed). I've never had anyone have a problem with it.

Date: 2006-03-12 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crssafox.livejournal.com
This all depends on what you are commissioning.

Are you commissioning a company logo, to be printed on letterheads and business cards? If so, you'll want every possible right to reproduce the artwork.

Are you commissioning a drawing of your character? If that is the case, I can completely understand an artist wanting to keep their rights to the artwork. Because it would really suck if someone commissioned artwork - and assumed ALL rights to said piece - and turned around to sell prints of someone else's hard work, making all the money in the process.

I think it's one thing if it's an idea that you might not have the means to create yourself - like a design for a logo or a mascot or some such - so you hire someone else to do it for you. But if you're just buying something for personal use, or for a personal collection, the artist should retain all rights, not the buyer.

Re: Sickening...

Date: 2006-03-12 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crssafox.livejournal.com
The "leasing" would more apply to a professional use. Say, using someone else's intellectual property as a logo or a business mascot.

Artwork for personal use - added to a collection - would not have to be leased, but would probably come with a clause stating that the purchaser can't make prints, or something along those lines. Because what good would it be for the artist to work hard on something, only to have the commissioner make more money by re-selling as many copies as they wanted to? Obviously there is no "use" for this type of commission, save a personal collection, whether it's displayed online or in a portfolio of sorts, or both.

I can certainly see, though, how lawsuit would be possible if someone were trying to capitalize on the artist's original hard work, thus breaking the terms of the "lease" or agreement.

Date: 2006-03-12 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver-huskey.livejournal.com
Unfortunately we live in the real world. And in the real world people double cross one another and back stab. >_

Date: 2006-03-12 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolf-nymph.livejournal.com
I am extremely surprised at most of the comments that have been received so far... Asking a client to sign a contract is standard procedure in every other corner of the art industry, EVERY professional uses contracts to secure rights, payment, and to generally agree on what is going on. This is done so that if either party does something stupid, the contract is there to back up the victim. What makes any of those who think this is a bad idea, think that anthro artists aren't professionals in any way? In essence we trade money for our services, which is what professionals artists do. What aspect of being an anthro artist makes a situation were signing a contract is a bad idea?

You all need to realize that taking private anthro commissions IS a job, and whether you put a contract in a form like this, or in a general Terms of Agreement document on your commissions website, this is done to protect the artist AND the client, and not to screw the client. Most artists have commission pages where prices and terms of use and such things are posted. I require all my clients to read my page all the way through before agreeing to commission me. This is just another form of a contract, legally binding just like this one posted here. Sure, that may be less "scary" to a client, because it doesn't require a signature, but it acts just as the above contract does legally.

If you're so scared, read the contract and agree to some changes. You don't have to sign anything you're uncomfortable with. [livejournal.com profile] go_banana's even said she'd agree to changes according to each individual client. This contract is so non-threatening, running away from commissioning her because of it is like running away from a one legged kitten. This is standard stuff people, get used to it.

Date: 2006-03-12 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolf-nymph.livejournal.com
the ToS is exactly what I have, and it's just as legally binding to both client and artist as a signed contract. You're right in that fandom artists charge virutally nill for their service and skill, and still end up getting it in the ass from folks when they take commissions. I'm hoping that more and more artists have the balls to do something like "lj user="go_bananas"> has done here, and make some clear agreements to that they don't get @$$fucked all the time.

"Furries are so fucking spoiled."

gosh I love you for that. =)

Date: 2006-03-12 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolf-nymph.livejournal.com
I think you might be making a mistake on the term 'work for hire'. The term 'work for hire' does not apply to all works of art commissioned by and paid for by a client. A 'Work for hire' is a term used to describe a specific commission where an artist gives up all rights and their name to the artwork to the client. Not many artists like to do this, because it means they aren't allowed to use the work in their professional portfolio, and they won't get royalties for such things. Don't get me wrong, work for hire pieces are still created for clients, it IS one way to make money. But the term does not apply to all works commissioned from an artist.

Date: 2006-03-12 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiercereaper.livejournal.com
Hey! I agree with it. :] you're not the only pro-contract voice.

And I've found internet to = suspension of reality on more than one occasion.
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