Beware: TheUnborn

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

WHO: TheUnborn

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/theunborn/

WHAT: I commissioned her for a NSFW sketch of my girlfriend's character with two of her male characters.
Screencap of agreed upon commission and payment: http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5460/commissionagreementandp.jpg

WHEN: I commissioned her on February 2nd, 2012 and paid via Paypal Feb 6th. Over 4 months later a WIP has been shown, but the sketch is still not finished.

PROOF: Payment: http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2864/paypalna.jpg
Note conversation on FA: http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1763/conversations.jpg

EXPLAIN: I commissioned her on February 2nd, 2012 and paid via Paypal Feb 6th. Two weeks went by and I check to see how things were coming, she hadn't started on it yet but promises to start on it within the week. A full month goes by and I check in again on the 1st of April and she claims she couldn't work on it since she just got the internet back, but she'll be finishing it that week. Mid April she claims to have my commission done. Nothing. She then starts to say its her medication that she can't draw, along with artist block. At the end of April I finally get a WIP and it'll be done that night. After that she starts working on "other projects" including a comic and something to do with voice acting, so again, commissions are delayed. Almost the entire month of May goes by and not a word. The 20th rolls around and still "almost finished" and she's "working on it now" 4 days later and she "loses all her recent progress" because her program crashed and she didn't save. On the 8th of this month she says she's working on it again. Here we are week days later and she's been doing $1 stream sketches, working on animated icons and I'm still waiting.

I'm a pretty patient guy, but over 4 months for a $15 dollar sketch? Yeah I'm getting pretty fed up. It sounds like its a case of taking too much on at once. If she didn't handle commissions like this I'd commission her more.

RESOLVED!: I received both a refund and the art commissioned!

Comments

[talakestreal.livejournal.com]

I"m afraid I'm in a similar situation, though I haven't yet pressed the issue. I'm owed two icons...I keep being told that they were finished, that the artist just didn't like them, but I've seen nothing, no proof that they were ever done.

I know that TheUnborn has had some personal issues in the last few months, but that's really no excuse.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

Sorry to hear you're in the same boat as well >_< Yeah I've seen her post about it, but then all of a sudden she's working on more art and commissions.

Your Icons

[empusic.livejournal.com]

You have already received one set of you icons located here : http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7208802/

I still owe you another set, Which you have seen the lines for, and approved them. I even streamed them when I did them. I will admit the color has been hard for me, since I do not normally color images.

I have Also posted many journals offering Refunds and the likes.
If you would like the refund for both sets of the icons I will give you a refunds as well as the icons.

Re: Your Icons

[talakestreal.livejournal.com]

See, that's the thing. As far as I can tell, and from scouring notes, I haven't seen the lines for that second set. I went back through all my notes and didn't find that one. I found where you started colors on the first one, and I liked that one. I've never said that I didn't like the first set of icons. I've mostly just been upset because you keep telling me that the icons were drawn, but I still have yet to see the lines for them.

Re: Your Icons

[empusic.livejournal.com]

The second one was actually the First one that was completed. The first one was the one where they were holding coffee/tea cups due to it being winter based.

This was the First WIP i sent you for it : http://i46.tinypic.com/168zkns.png
Here is where I streamed it : http://www.livestream.com/dhampyre/video?clipId=pla_5011a7bf-4838-479b-a2ab-f65dd3bd880f

[radiocatastrophe (from livejournal.com)]

:x It really shouldn't take too long to do a sketch.. unless she's inking it as well.. Even with 3 characters, but, I'm not an artist so my input can't really be listed to for this sort of thing.

I hope when they see this they shape up and refund or finish the commission.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

It really shouldn't, especially since I've seen her post art after mine. She said something along the lines of "I wish I could ink it, but you only paid for a sketch" all while I'm thinking "Um, you should just do it for free since its taken this long". All her stuff is digital, so I wouldn't imagine that it would take that long to sketch out, but I'm not a digital artist.

[radiocatastrophe (from livejournal.com)]

She should, lol, I've had people who've actually had IRL issues get in the way of commissions (sick, hospital, moving, etc) and they offer to upgrade and keep in contact with me with WIPs as much as they can. I don't see why she'd need to avoid you for such a simple request.

[taasla.livejournal.com]

Upgrading items for free is probably the worst thing she can do at this point if her list is really that long. Inking can add around two or more hours past a sketch stage. Considering it took her four months just to churn out a couple of hours worth of work... yeah.

[obsidianwolfess.livejournal.com]

Not only that, but even though he waited a long time for a sketch, he's not entitled to a free upgrade. That's the artist's decision.

For example.. I always compensate people for the wait on my art, but that's a gesture that I make -without- coercion or guilt from the buyer.

[obsidianwolfess.livejournal.com]

I do want to add though.. The time frame for that sketch is just absurd. x.x; If she was having that much trouble with it, she would have been better off to give him a refund than to drag it out. Sometimes inspiration isn't always there, and there's nothing wrong with admitting that.

[taasla.livejournal.com]

Well yes, that too. The whole "you should give me free things because" really drives me nuts. I just didn't know how to say it without scolding people.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

Keep in mind I didn't actually demand nor think I was entitled to a free upgrade. It would have been nice, but it wasn't my place to ask for something like that.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

You have misquoted me here.
What I said was " Honestly i think its looking awesome so far.
I almost wish i could throw some lines on it even though its only supposed to be a sketch. :/
>_< but i cant seem to do lines at all right now ;-;"

I NEVER said but you only paid for a sketch.
Proof is here : http://i45.tinypic.com/27xi3o2.png

It was not that you only paid for a sketch but that during the time I could not seem to do any lines. I had no issues with making it Line art as well. My issue was the fact that My lines at the time were horrible.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

The point I was trying to make was that yes, I did only pay you for a sketch but by this point doing something extra for the amount of time the whole sketch was taking would have been nice, but I wasn't going to say anything because yes, I only paid for a sketch.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

You made it sound like I rudely refused the idea by saying you only paid for a sketch.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

I didn't mean to come off like that, so I apologize

[empusic.livejournal.com]

Apology is accepted, and I do apologize for this ordeal as well.

[frazzled-niya.livejournal.com]

=T A sketch even with 3 characters shouldn't take 4 months to complete....I have done a NSFW sketch of 3 of my characters a few years ago and that took me an afternoon if that.

If she is taking commissions they SHOULD be priority over any of her personal projects; obviously though life does happen. But it seems that she is avoiding (?) your commission.

Has she given you any proof that she is working on the image?

Give her a reminder, mention that she has been posted here and that you would like your image that you paid for. Any decent person though would issue a refund because of the time taken to deliver a "sketch."

Hope it works out.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

I honestly have no idea if she's avoiding mine or not, but I have seen a work in progress sketch of it, and its nearly done save for one of the 3 characters. I'm pretty tired of reminding her after 4 months and I know if I mention this post on here I'll be the bad guy in her eyes and I'll catch all kinds of flack about it. I know I won't see a refund because all her money is going to her moving ASAP, so that option is out.

[frazzled-niya.livejournal.com]

Thing is you are her customer and you should come first. I know how things end but that shouldn't excuse her ever for the lack there of service/goods that you are paid money for.

The only other thing is you can send her a message or email just saying how you feel (ie sick of waiting/reminding her) about the item you purchased off of her that she hasn't delivered in the 4 months. Either way depending on the type of person she is you may come out on the wrong side in the eyes of her "fans." =T

[taasla.livejournal.com]

Wow, agreeing with others that a three character sketch should not take four months. It might take me a couple of hours or three depending on what route I take. =\ I hope you get your art soon.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

A 3 character sketch does not normally take four month this is true. At the same time It was a detailed sketch and they take me about 3 hours per character. This does not make up for the 4 months. I understand that.

This post also fails to mention that i was in the hospital at least 3 weeks of this time, was without internet for over 23 days, and have been heavily medicated. Also that the "Other projects" were being used for either getting a real job, With animation, or pulling out of Art block. So that I could make a actual living verses trying to overwhelm myself.

They also could have asked for a refund, verses assume that since I was moving that I wouldn't give one.

On top of it all I will admit I was at fault, Medication, and hospital trips are not a good excuse for 4 months of wait time. I will admit I am completely at fault in this situation and have not handled it well, but, a few things have are worded incorrectly.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

TOO THOSE WHO READ THIS!

I DO TAKE BLAME FOR THE SITUATION AND HOLD NO FUALTS ON THE ONE WHO COMMISSIONED ME.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

I do admit forgetting to mention your hospital visits and I did list that you were on medication. I didn't want to ask for refund because I know of your situation. I'm wasn't going to demand money back from someone with health problems and trying to move at the same time. That's why I commissioned you in the first place, to help you out. It started to get on my nerves when I'd been waiting for so long, only to see others get their art -after- I'd commissioned you months ago.

[mgsfriedchicken.livejournal.com]

Echoing the others, it does NOT take 4 months to get a sketch done. When I was drawing, a sketch took ONE HOUR.

Your commissions.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

First I would like to state that I have posted offering many refunds across the board, You could have chosen a refund.

I have also been highly sick, and have been in and out of the hospital, i have been posting proof and keeping people updated on those facts. I understand that being in the hospital, being sick, and trying to fund a new place to live so that i have a roof over my head is not a reasonable excuse.

What I will do since you piece has already been completed for the 2nd time after being corrupted is this.
I will be refunding your money, and sending you the high resolution of the sketch and lines.

So you get the art for free.

I do apologize for the time it has taken.

~
P.S. Also, I do not view you as a bad guy. Not one in any form or fashion.

You have every right to be worried,or concerned about not having your art by now.

Re: Your commissions.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

My only issue with this ordeal is this.
Instead of asking for a refund you have assumed that I would not give you one because I am currently trying to move. That is it.

Re: Your commissions.

[ellonwye.livejournal.com]

'I understand that being in the hospital, being sick, and trying to fund a new place to live so that i have a roof over my head is not a reasonable excuse. '

Don't take this kind of attitude, it's childish. There's really no need for it when you've been polite and courteous in the rest of this comment and in your other comments too.

Re: Your commissions.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

I am not taking it with an attitude, I honestly in my case do not feel it as a reasonable excuse, since I have been working on other pieces as well. Thus I can not use it, and have no right to offer it as one.

~Edit~
That is the reason i say it is no excuse, not because I'm being persnickety about it, but the fact that It is not one. Since I have been posting other art as well, and have had other possible times to work on the piece after it crashed. I take full blame in the situation and hold Nothing against the commissioner.

Re: Your commissions.

[sbneko.livejournal.com]

I mean no disrespect to the artist, but from reading the comments, the artist isn't perfect in her spelling and sentences, so I think it may be more poor wording/wrong emotion coming across. I personally did read it that they understand/feel it isn't an excuse for taking for long, rather then trying to guilt trip for example.

Re: Your commissions.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

I am still on a lot of medications at the moment.

Re: Your commissions.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

Stated above, I didn't want to demand a refund because of your health and because you're trying to move. I know what it's like to be in that kind of a situation.

I do appreciate the refund and the piece completed. If you're strapped on $$ at the moment I'm not worried about an immediate refund.

Re: Your commissions.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

I am glad you took those factors into mind, and I appreciate that you have been this patient with me.

I had stated to you before that I had felt bad that it was taking so long, which is where originally the "line art" mentioning came into play. I really had wanted to get it lined and everything as an apology for the time, but I have been neglecting to even work on line art lately that when I would try, the Lines looked absolutely horrid. I have had a few close friends offer to do lines for the piece as well if I could not have done them as well.

We are strapped for cash yes this is true, and i have been sick. At the same time I will not refuse to give you a refund in any form or fashion. Be it the $15 or a badge for you and your girl.

The reason you have seen me posting art for others, and the little projects here and there is not because i am ignoring my commissions. It's because I'm trying to pull myself out of art block and get back into using the tablet again, and possibly get an actual job but I did not have any samples. The main reasons I am doing the auctions with Lardo, is to actually get the money to do a few refunds just in case i could not complete the pieces from 4-5 months ago before the hospital incident.

I will be sending the refund Momentarily, also is the email connected to the refund the correct email to send the Pictures to as well?

Re: Your commissions.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

I know how hard things can be these days.

The emails are the same for the refund and commission :)

Re: Your commissions.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

Alright, I will be sending the refund shortly, just have to make sure If i need to transfer money or not.

As for the images, I have a friend who offered to clean up my lines, so that they look better.
Once i get those back I will send you a Note on FA, and to the email listed by paypal with the drop box links for you to get the images from.

Re: Your commissions.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

Alrighty, sounds good to me.

Re: Your commissions.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

The refund has been Sent.

Re: Your commissions.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

When the OP can confirm the refund was received I will tag this as resolved then. =)

Re: Your commissions.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

Refund has been sent, still waiting of the finished commission!

Re: Your commissions.

[goth-panther.livejournal.com]

Refund and commission has been received!

Re: Your commissions.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Resolved tag added, glad it all worked out.

[kwolf13.livejournal.com]

As others have said. It definitely does not take 4 months to do a sketch commission. Even with three characters. I do sketches all the time, and they take me an hour for each character AT MOST. Now granted, my style is toony and simple. But I think even a detailed/realistic sketch would take no more than a day, breaks not included.

The artist seems to have a lot of excuses. Sorry to say. But at least from the looks of the comments here, it'll be resolved.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

My sketches take me between 2-3 hours per character.

Yes i have medical issues, and housing issues, and at the same time I have stated that these are NOT excuses and that I take full blame on my part.

[kwolf13.livejournal.com]

I hope at least this comes to you as a lesson to be more consistent and responsible with your Commissions and customers. Your art is nice, so I do hope so.

[empusic.livejournal.com]

Before getting sick I could have whipped out a piece within 4 hours. I also never had issues with commissioners and timeframes. He happened to commission me before i went into the hospital. I had no idea that that was coming, nor that i would be sick for over 3 months. In all the timing of everything happening in real life for me were to heavy a burden. That alone was my fault for pushing too much on myself at once, even if it was for a place to live.

Also I have had many friend offer to help me in the future if these medical issues continue, because they still have not been settled.

I have also taken into retrospect of this scenario's happenings, and noted my own personal limits.