Just after some advice
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artists_bewareHi guys, long time watcher, first time poster. I'm not 100% sure if this belongs here but I've seen some advice posts similar in the past.
Recently a friend pointed out to me that some of my old art has been reposted onto a website without my permission. The thing is though, I remember the same site doing this to me years ago (I'm talking 12+ years ago), and I had requested the art to be removed, and they had oblidged.
So when I went back now years later I find that the exact same art is still there, along with some new additions (again old art, but I know it wasn't there when I had asked for the first removal).
The site has an FAQ relating to art removal requests, but when I checked it it says:
FAQ #7: I am an artist and someone told me my art is here.. how to i get it removed? Or, I asked my art to be removed, It _WAS_, but now it is back?
You contact one of the staff and let us know, we will take it down! This site does not condone art theft, all an artist need do is ask.
Any artist folders removed, get recycled back into the site at the beginning of each year. You want it to stay gone? You have to care enough to keep coming back.
If your art is here, it's likely because someone was browsing, found it, liked it.. and wanted to share it with more people, or preserve it if your site goes away. You should feel honored that they love your art enough to spread it, and instead, ask us to put a link to your site in your artist folder!
The bold part is what concerns, and quite frankly annoys me: my question is is such a thing allowed? I know a simple request isn't a concrete agreement, but when an artist says remove my art, it means remove my art, not recycle it for reupload a year later. And is there a way to make them permanent remove the art without them being sneaky about it?
I don't mind reposting, but at the same time I do want control over where my art goes as much as I'm able to. And I find it a bit rude that they're ignoring requests like this. I'm not honored by this in the least, it's not up to them to decide what to do.
Thank you in advance, I'm hope I'm doing this right and this is the only time I have to post here.
EDIT: Firstly thank you so so much for the quick response everyone! I'm at work now so I'll try to respond back as much as possible.
And yes the site is http://tails.kicks-ass.net/index.php?area=help&view=7 - the site has been around for years from what I remember, but like I said, I figured if I had asked them to take art down 12+ years ago it should stay down, but apparently not.
Recently a friend pointed out to me that some of my old art has been reposted onto a website without my permission. The thing is though, I remember the same site doing this to me years ago (I'm talking 12+ years ago), and I had requested the art to be removed, and they had oblidged.
So when I went back now years later I find that the exact same art is still there, along with some new additions (again old art, but I know it wasn't there when I had asked for the first removal).
The site has an FAQ relating to art removal requests, but when I checked it it says:
FAQ #7: I am an artist and someone told me my art is here.. how to i get it removed? Or, I asked my art to be removed, It _WAS_, but now it is back?
You contact one of the staff and let us know, we will take it down! This site does not condone art theft, all an artist need do is ask.
Any artist folders removed, get recycled back into the site at the beginning of each year. You want it to stay gone? You have to care enough to keep coming back.
If your art is here, it's likely because someone was browsing, found it, liked it.. and wanted to share it with more people, or preserve it if your site goes away. You should feel honored that they love your art enough to spread it, and instead, ask us to put a link to your site in your artist folder!
The bold part is what concerns, and quite frankly annoys me: my question is is such a thing allowed? I know a simple request isn't a concrete agreement, but when an artist says remove my art, it means remove my art, not recycle it for reupload a year later. And is there a way to make them permanent remove the art without them being sneaky about it?
I don't mind reposting, but at the same time I do want control over where my art goes as much as I'm able to. And I find it a bit rude that they're ignoring requests like this. I'm not honored by this in the least, it's not up to them to decide what to do.
Thank you in advance, I'm hope I'm doing this right and this is the only time I have to post here.
EDIT: Firstly thank you so so much for the quick response everyone! I'm at work now so I'll try to respond back as much as possible.
And yes the site is http://tails.kicks-ass.net/index.php?area=help&view=7 - the site has been around for years from what I remember, but like I said, I figured if I had asked them to take art down 12+ years ago it should stay down, but apparently not.
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Date: 2012-07-19 11:47 pm (UTC)"hurts the site" - and?
"quickly and easily resolved" - I've tried getting my art off sites like these and it takes so much time and energy I can't be bothered anymore. I've never found it quick nor straightforward. You can rarely even find an email address. And after it gets removed, all it takes it for one person to re-upload it all again and you start from scratch.
"Copyright violations are common to ubiquitous online" - Just because it happens a lot doesn't make it okay.
"If they're not making a profit from the art" - A lot of them have adverts so this is debatable, but even if they're not, it's irrelevant.
"The best thing to do is protect yourself: watermark your images with your name and URL," - Already do.
"state in your artists comments that your work may not be reposted." - Already do.
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Date: 2012-07-20 12:05 am (UTC)The website asks permission, if they get it, they upload or ask the artist to, if they don't, they don't. - How do they get permission? Their users are who uploads, not them. How do they confirm permission?
"hurts the site" - and? - Why should they do it if it hurts them?
"quickly and easily resolved" - I've tried getting my art off sites like these and it takes so much time and energy I can't be bothered anymore. I've never found it quick nor straightforward. You can rarely even find an email address. And after it gets removed, all it takes it for one person to re-upload it all again and you start from scratch.
Okay yes, this could be better in some instances. However, the "permission first" model ignores that it can be resolved quickly and easily as apparently e621(?) does. I agree, that then there should be a blacklist.
"Copyright violations are common to ubiquitous online" - Just because it happens a lot doesn't make it okay.
"If they're not making a profit from the art" - A lot of them have adverts so this is debatable, but even if they're not, it's irrelevant.
So when are you taking down your my little pony art? You're violating copyright with it and using it for profit. Or do you have Hasbro's permission?
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Date: 2012-07-20 12:17 am (UTC)(frozen) no subject
Date: 2012-07-20 12:26 am (UTC)If you haven't, then why should these websites follow standards with your art you're not willing to follow yourself?
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Date: 2012-07-20 01:11 am (UTC)