Beware: KitNabarii/BlueTigerKitty

[yomiru.livejournal.com]

WHO: KitNabarii / BlueTigerKitty

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kitnabarii / http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bluetigerkitty

WHAT: She won digital YCH auction for $50, link to the auction (NSFW): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10030994/

WHEN: Auction won on March 2nd, never recieved payment


PROOF:

The original submission with their bids in (NSFW): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/10030994/
First note from here giving me refs on the ending date: http://puu.sh/2TbHy.png
Reminder note for payment (read but not answered): http://puu.sh/2TbHK.png
Reminder note for payment (read not answered): http://puu.sh/2TbI5.png
Yet another reminder and response that she will pay on later that week: http://puu.sh/2TbJQ.png http://puu.sh/2TbIh.png
Another reminder and her response (she answered on the same day): http://puu.sh/2TbKq.png
More excuses: http://puu.sh/2TbL8.png
Excuses (my message was sent on 16th): http://puu.sh/2TbMv.png
Last message from me (not read): http://puu.sh/2TbVW.png

EXPLAIN:

I held a YCH mature auction and KitNabarii bid on both of the poses. She won the picture for $50 total and I gave her the quote and told her to send the refs to me. I received the refs but not the payment. I contacted her again a week after asking for the payment but never received a response from her. Send another reminder on the payment another week later but didn't get any kind of respose for that either. On the third try (almost month later) I got a respose that she will be paying later that week, but of course I never got the payment.

Because I had not heard from her on Friday or weekend for that matter, I sent her another note asking for the payment and she told me that she was at hospital (I think?). I received a response that she would pay me on April 12th and I told her that I would be waiting for till then. I was really frustrated but being way too nice about this and decided to wait. Friends told me that it has taken way too long for her payment but I was still being too nice about it because I really needed that money.

After sending yet another message on the payment after the 12th, I got a message from her saying that her Paypal was closed down till May 1st (she said that she told me but I went trought every message and she never told me that). I said that I would wait till then but of course I got nothing after 1st and sent her one last reminder message on 3rd. I will not wait anymore because I know I wont get the payment (unless she pays after this post has been published).

I know I was being too nice and gave her over 2 months to pay because of her 'issues'. She never told me anything beforehand, only after I had sent her note. The last note is still unread and both of her accounts have been inactive for couple weeks. I learned that I will not let myself give the commissioner that much time to pay when the payment was supposed to be sent in three days.

Comments

[mekania.livejournal.com]

I don't understand this attitude, I've seen a lot of advice posts telling people to mention posting the situation here in order to get a response. It's only these last two posts where I see people arguing against that.

Generally I agree that it's better not to say you won't post and then do it later but this is both a review site and a tool so I don't blame people for using it when they're out of their money/time.

The artist whose behavior warranted a bad review enough that the customer had to threaten exposure to get results is, to me, someone who needs to be posted more than pretty much everyone else. If a customer lying to get what they paid for/their money back is a personal concern for artists, then maybe they shouldn't put the customer in the position to need to do so.

[kasune.livejournal.com]

In the end it lies on wording, I suppose. The last couple of posts have come off as a form of blackmail, as Neolucky has said above. It's more of a "do this or I'll ruin your reputation" sort of thing. That's just my personal opinion though, and can see your point of view as well.

I did say this above:
I can understand going "Here's a deadline, I expect you to meet it" politely, and when it fails, "The deadline has passed, I'm afraid I'll have to post you to artists_beware for not cooperating." There's a lot more tact in that because the chance was given already.

That would be my way of provoking a response, as you said.

Spiffystuff also made a really good point that I missed, but now agree with- a beware can still be resolved, so there's that. :)

[mekania.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I agree that wording it right would be preferred but I don't hold it against people who don't. It's definitely not blackmail/extortion when you are actually, legally owed something.

People at my old small business job used to threaten the BBB and yelp reviews all the time and a lot of times even with the situation resolved they would still post bad reviews. It's not a big deal and is typical/expected behavior when you're a business, small or otherwise.

[timelapsedecay.livejournal.com]

Even if things are resolved, it's not unfair to make a bad review. People do it here all the time. What's in question is saying you'll do one thing (or won't do it) and going against that. At the root, it's plain dishonest. Dishonesty's not professional.

[mekania.livejournal.com]

I was not speaking about just plain old posting bad reviews. I was saying customers would do the same thing at my job, threaten to post bad reviews if things don't get resolved and still post those reviews regardless of the resolution. And like I said, it's a part of doing business.

My first post above discusses my position on this matter so I won't beat a dead horse here. Also being a customer is not a profession.

[timelapsedecay.livejournal.com]

Very well, but

Also being a customer is not a profession.
Being a professional artist is a profession, I was always ever referring to the OP who is an artist.

[mekania.livejournal.com]

Sorry I misunderstood, you were responding to post in which I was talking about customers.

Regarding the OP, it was a a bad choice to bring AB up just to say they wouldn't post at all but it's been over 20 days since they sent that message. I can understand changing your mind after being strung along even further.