[identity profile] akadirio.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware


EDIT: After the artist saw the livejournal she has completed and posted the artwork owed. This beware still serves as a warning about this artist, but let me be clear that this was not a scam, instead a large delay and lack of proper contact.

WHO: Nukafoxy3

WHERE: furaffinity.net

WHAT: 3 digital pictures, two chibi style and one with more details.

WHEN: paid on the february 27th, march 18 was when the 'never delivered' art was first contacted about.

PROOF:
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EXPLAIN:

I commissioned the artist for a series of three digital commissions, paid for them accordingly as seen in the first screenshot. The first picture was delivered on time, surprisingly as it was less than a week between payment and due date. The second picture was not uploaded on its due date and i noted about it, as seen in screenshot two. This note was ignored and i only got a reply on a second note 5 days later , when both the second and third images in my commissions were past their due date on delivery. Her reply is seen in screenshot 3 - one image was uploaded soon after, the second of three i paid for.

My next note to the artist was on the first of april, after quite some waiting on the third piece. This is screenshot 4, and after 8 days i got a reply and we noted back and forth, the result seen in screenshot 5. I was promised it would be done soon, and i was offered (and accepted) a wip shot, which is screenshot 6 and screenshot 7 shows my reply to it.

After another month of patiently waiting for an update, contact or the finished art, i noted again asking for an update. I did get a confusing reply, apparently pointing back to the month old sketch - this is shown in screenshot 8.

In the final screenshot, you can see i finally lost hope of receiving the art, and i requested a refund. I was told i could not get it right away, and paypal only offers support if a ticket is opened within (i believe) 45 days. Between then and now, i have contacted her once more via the furaffinity shouts but sadly do not have screenshots; i asked an update on the refund and she stated she was still in red. At the date of writing, the 28th of July, i have still not had any word from her and still do not have a refund.

I am accepting this as a loss seeing as it's been so long, and it was only four or five dollars, but i do hope i can help protect others by making this post. Not a single time was i contacted by the artist, even when the due date she agreed to passed. She is still continuing to take commissions, and has been the entire time, but is finally beginning to deliver on her months old commissions... However, in my eyes it is far too little, too late, as she never did deliver the art, let alone by the date she agreed upon.

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Date: 2013-07-31 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dean aaron meyers (from livejournal.com)
Heavily REFERENCED. Do you draw everything you draw ever freehand with no reference photo? Do you not look at a pose of a body and think "I'd like to draw something in that pose."? I would not believe for a second that artists don't take the idea of a pose from one another. I'm sure that person is perfectly happy with their design. Really now you're just finding extra reasons to jump down her throat. I can't believe some people honestly. Why the need to tear down her previous work?

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Date: 2013-07-31 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neolucky.livejournal.com
Please take a step back and understand one thing:

This is basically a trace of an un-purchased stock photo. It is illegal, we don't condone that sort of activity here, so any evidence of her tracing to finish her commissions are absolutely valid.

Yes, I draw everything freehand, and if I reference something I cite it. I do not trace, or heavily reference If I am SELLING an image as the customer is paying for a CUSTOM image of my own making.

You are making things worse and worse, Dean.

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Date: 2013-07-31 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathzcathz.livejournal.com
Excuse my choice of words but there are some parts that are traced. Like everyone else has said, she should cite what she uses as reference.

I'm still in the beginnings of drawing but if I do draw I keep what I reference in hand. And personally, we're not cutting her down. There's proof of her tracing. If I was the customer, I'd be a bit concern paying for that piece.

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Date: 2013-07-31 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neolucky.livejournal.com
Not to mention she re-used that un-purchased stock image for 6 badges. She made a base out of something, traced it repeatedly and continued to sell it. Yipes.

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Date: 2013-07-31 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathzcathz.livejournal.com
Wow. That's concerning.

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Date: 2013-07-31 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sableantelope.livejournal.com
Some is a heavy reference, some is a direct trace. The entire piece isn't traced but pieces are.

Because it isn't ethical, Mr. Meyers, is why this is an issue. Even just tracing one hand on an image for sale is unethical. Just like taking more commissions when you can't finish the ones you already have is unethical. And basically stealing money by spending it before you've actually earned it by delivering the product is unethical. It's all a part of figuring out if someone is a trustworthy businessperson.

I'm trying to be as tactful as I can on the referencing issue but if you look through the gallery it is very obvious some parts on some images have been eyeballed/slightly altered drawn on a layer on top of a photo at best, directly traced at worst. It's very clear when you compare the referenced anatomy to the unreferenced anatomy.


I'm worried going through the gallery some of those images might have more than just one hand traced, which is why I'm really, honestly hoping Nukafoxy will just add a link to her reference images on her pieces and proactively prove that she a.) is willing to be honest about reffing, heavy or otherwise and b.) that she has nothing further to hide about any chance of tracing
Edited Date: 2013-07-31 05:06 am (UTC)

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Date: 2013-07-31 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xubunturambles.livejournal.com
Actually, i do. I draw freehand and everything i make i pull out of my ass.
Many, many artists are able to whip things up without references :/

So yeah. I dont know where you're going with this.

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Date: 2013-07-31 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oceandezignz.livejournal.com
Not an acceptable turn of phrase to use. While his views are different, he's been remarkably civil so don't do this to him again.

Just going to go ahead and ice this.

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