[identity profile] exo-formicidae.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware
Hello again A-B,

I think I've managed to get myself into an awkward position and need some advice on how to deal with this.
I ended a fairly big raffle about a month ago where the first prize was a full colored and shaded image, with background and up to 3 characters. I notified the winner and it went fairly well, it would be a mature image of the winner and the winners partner.

Everything went smoothly, but after I had finished the background and started on the characters I got a note from the partner(I had talked with this person and the drawing was agreed to), however they had broken up the day before and no longer wanted the image, but I could finish it an post it if I wanted.

I then noted the winner to ask, but he really did not want the image finished and asked for a new one instead. He offered that I could make the almost finished image into a YCH auction so I didn't loose time from working on it. I did make him a new image in the detail I promised for the 1st prize, but I have not touched the unfinished one after this.

A part of me wants to make this into a YCH auction so I can at least get something back for the time I lost, but at the same time I know both of the original image is watching me and have seen WIP's of it with their characters. I know the partner wouldn't mind, and the winner was the one with the YCH idea, but it just feels really awkward to put it out for offer - so what I need advice on is if I should just go ahead and edit it to a YCH or accept it as lost time and move on?


some additional but not super important info/questions;
The raffle had in total 6 prizes, so the remaking of the 1st one made delays for the rest.

This was my first Raffle and I have never done a YCH so I'm nervous on how it will be received by my watchers

Would this be different if this was a commissioned piece where the commissioner would get a new piece of art instead of a refund?

Date: 2013-09-10 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neolucky.livejournal.com
I think you should have simply gone ahead and finished the image as per agreed to - it is simply not your issue if the client and their SO break up right before the image is finished. I would have declined the YCH, and would have finished the image and be done with them as they seem unreliable.

Since you've already done a new image for them, I'd go ahead and reuse the pose/bg for a YCH auction. I'd re-draw the pose out to be a generic character design, so it's easier for folks to apply their own imagination towards it.

Date: 2013-09-10 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mazz.livejournal.com
They would have no reason to get upset, it's not like the -paid- for the image.

Date: 2013-09-10 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karthegrax.livejournal.com
If you are really concerned about watchers leaving for a YCH, you could always make a new account for YCH/auction/adopts only. Or you could simply explain that whilst you don't plan to make YCH a regular thing, you are doing this one because you feel bad about ditching a pic you put so much effort into.

Just remember, the winner screwed you over, not the other way round, so you're not in the wrong, and s/he doesn't own any of the art. I know you don't want to upset people, but it's not fair that you're taken advantage of either.

Date: 2013-09-10 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gatekat.livejournal.com
You have permission from the person it was for to do the YCH with it. That's more than you really need.

Date: 2013-09-10 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestinaketzia.livejournal.com
Going to agree with Neo and Gatekat. Go ahead and do the YCH. You're already being generous enough about doing a whole new image, whom imo, is above and beyond what you have to do. Once they tell you they want a new image, their rights to complain about you reusing the old one is forfeit.

Date: 2013-09-10 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com
You have permission, if you're still uncomfortable with selling it as a YCH then you can change the species in the sketch. Or sell it via auction starting with a low bid. Since it's an adult piece I'm pretty sure you'll get takers.

If you're worried about the other people waiting, you can postpone the YCH until after they're done.
Edited Date: 2013-09-10 11:30 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-09-10 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epiceternity.livejournal.com
As both commissioners have expressed that they are no longer interested in the image then I don't see a problem. If you're still concerned you can contact the other party member to double check that they are okay with the sketch being used as a YCH piece as well.

Date: 2013-09-10 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fenris-lorsrai.livejournal.com
Definitely go with the YCH option. Since you're concerned about them causing a scene, I'd say finish up everything else on your plate first, THEN put up the YCH auction.

why wait? If you wait a month or so to put it up, the people involved won't be fresh off breakup and may well have forgotten entirely what the WIPs looked like by that point. (delete them if they were linked to, so they can't look back at them) so even if they're watching you, its less likely they will A) recognize the piece B) have any remaining emotional investment in it.

Date: 2013-09-10 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryunwoofie.livejournal.com
Personally if you had permission or not and decided to re-draw the image for them I see no harm in selling the image they did not want to use. They no longer desired it and they don't technically own it, or could say no. I would just mention it was an image for a client who didn't want it anymore and you were auctioning off the slots. It's still an image you worked hard on. It's not cheating in any way IMHO. I've done this in the past where I have drawn an image and the customer wanted something else, saved the pose, made it generic, saved it for another commission I think it would work with or sold it. It is still hard work weather it's recycled or not.

Also agreeing with Neo on the finishing the first image anyway. Just because someone broke up doesn't mean you should change it, especially if it was free/raffle/etc. If it were a commission I would simply just charge extra for the sketch already done.

Date: 2013-09-11 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tartii.livejournal.com
Oh boy, I have found myself in this situation a lot. Honestly, because the raffle winner suddenly decided to change their mind, go ahead and work on the other raffle prizes, then go back to the other one.
After all, the complication was on their end, you are not obligated to try and smooth things over for them both. It sounds cruel, but if the other party (the other SO) becomes bothered or upset seeing the image it is on them, not you. You are not responsible. You are simply doing your job.

So yeah, do a YCH. It would be a waste to just toss all that time you spent out the window. :c Plus they already gave you permission to do so, so don't sweat it!

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