Beware: Lil-Maj

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

WHO: Lil-Maj

WHERE: FurAffinity

WHAT: They won two of my YCHs and did not pay for them nor answered any of my notes.

WHEN: November 7th 2013

PROOF: YCH one and YCH two (the links are nsfw) Proof of the notes I sent are Here and Here and you can see they didn't even bother to look at the next one.

EXPLAIN: I held those two YCHs and they won both of them, in my rules I state you have to pay within 24 hours of winning but they did not pay for either of them and I gave them to the runner up winner. Someone told me they were sick at the time and probably wasn't feeling well enough to check their messages so I was a bit sympathetic until I found them bidding on other people's YCHs, I have no idea if they won those and if they paid for them but that's not my business.

It just irked me that if they had the time to bid on other auctions then they had the time to reply and or pay me. Many months back they actually did pay for the YCHs they won from me but now since they did this twice and they never did answer me back and now I don't feel comfortable allowing them to bid on any more of my auctions from now on.

Comments

[dizdzi.livejournal.com]

You might want to consider adding a rule that if the winner does not pay within ___ time period, their bid no longer counts and the previous high bidder gets the auction instead.


So in this case, I'd give them a final warning to pay, and if they don't go ahead and contact the previous highest bidder to see if they are still interested in the auction.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Yeah I haven't put it in the rules yet but I will, I actually do do that and give the YCH to the runner up if things like this happen, and I actually did give it to the runner up which you can see in the 2nd PM I sent when I warned them.

But they've ignored every PM I've sent them without any reply or explanation even though they've been active on FA and that's what made me come here and make a Beware.

[nightlinez.livejournal.com]

I agree with Dizdzi. You could never go wrong with the "If the winner does not pay within _____ the 2nd highest bidder wins". Sadly, this can happen a lot even if the person is "sick" . Just stay strict with the rules. If they win I should sent out a notice stating they won, then give them a final warning with a set deadline.

I would highly recommend using invoices because you can actually set deadlines/send reminders.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Yeah I agree with you guys, like I told Dizdzi, I do give YCHs to the runner ups if the winner doesn't pay, I just haven't put it in the rules yet but I will in future YCHs.

The only thing that made me mad about this is that I did send them a PM when they won and where to send payment, and when they didn't reply I sent them another PM after the 24hrs were up and they didn't even bother to open it. Yet when I look at their account they are very active and just posted a ton of art they had done. So that's why I posted a Beware.

[ryunwoofie.livejournal.com]

Maj tends to disappear from FA a LOT of the time and for a few days/week at a time. But clearly they are active on the site. This is a bit abnormal for they are always a swift paying customer and always a pleasure to work with personally. Sorry you had to experience this.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Yeah I've worked with them twice in the past before and they were super quick to reply, so I was happy to see them come back again and bid on these YCHs because I felt like I wouldn't have any problems.

And of course I would have understood if they had a problem or something, I mean just talk to me and work something out. But they've ignored nearly everything I sent them so I didn't take too well to that and just blocked them and came here.

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[xxvibrantsnowxx (from livejournal.com)]

I'm surprised to actually read about this, And i'm sorry to see this has gone too far, but i actually don't see your point for posting him in the artists beware in the first place, he have like commissioned hundred of peoples and hundred of notes he receives, also he was away for awhile and has some diseasses he needs to treat him self by so at least that need to be understandable, in the other hand, i also take control for his account and i never read or reply anything without his permission, he only come back to his account for awhile and usually don't have time to check notes, you could as well at least send a shout to his page telling him to read your note

I'm not defending, just clarifying and you don't have to believe anyhow, And no he doesn't ignore, so your misjudging the person

and what you did as well is very wrong of you

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[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Please don't give me any of that. Whether it was them or ANY other commissioner I would have done the same thing. There is NO excuse, they bid on two of my auctions and did not pay for them.

If they literally have hundreds of pms or things that they have been bidding on that they may have forgotten about then why bid in the first place? Artists and commissioners have to follow a certain etiquette. Artists get paid for their work and they have to deliver, the same as a buyer has to hold up their end and pay for things they have won.

And as you can see they did read the first PM I sent them but I did not receive payment, I gave them more time and sent another PM and it was not read yet they were bidding on other auctions, again, if they had the time to do that then they could have paid. Sorry but you're not going to put the blame on me for being honest.

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[xxvibrantsnowxx (from livejournal.com)]

Well in your YCH auction in my opinoion, you should've just put a rule that if the winner doesn't response then the runner up will take it instead of just going to an artist beware and post there becausde if everyone was like you, there would be mostly likely alot will do the same thing, sure he did read it, but maybe he forget to reply to the first PM? how did you know he ignored? also FYI the mroe watchers you have, the more longer opening the notes page takes.

And you're asking, why bid in the first place? of course to get art and to pay the artist, other artists sent a note to him and sometime (me) without having any problem, idk why you got upset jsut because you got ignored, if money is that very very important, jsut give the runner up the auction spot, just my opinion, i'm not blaming or anything, like wow it's not like he ripped you off, also he is not an artist lol

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[sigilgoat.livejournal.com]

You did read that the OP gave the auctions to the runners up, right?

We approved the beware, Xaila already informed you that this post is relevant. There's no need to continue to argue that the post was made.

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[xxvibrantsnowxx (from livejournal.com)]

Actually she just did that now, she should've made it as a rule in the first place

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[sigilgoat.livejournal.com]

Could have, should have, would have.

The fact that the buyer in question flaked out on 2 auctions is beware worthy. A beware isn't a death sentence, it's just a beware.

If you have any further discussion on this topic, please take it to IM's.

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[xxvibrantsnowxx (from livejournal.com)]

No Thanks.

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[oceandezignz.livejournal.com]

Locking this thread now.

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[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

I did not do that "just now", I contacted the runner up on November 9th asking them if they would be interested in buying the YCH and I gave them a discount for being so great and if you don't believe me, have the screencaps of those pms

http://i.imgur.com/yk4Nweb.png

http://i.imgur.com/kFN671W.png

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[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

I don't even think you actually even read what I wrote up there. If you take a look at the screenshots of the PMs I sent you can see that the 'Payment' one is yellow and still is, when a note is yellow that means it was never opened, when it is it turns gray, like the other one was.

I also never said he was an artist? Unless you're reading my comment wrong. I said Artists (Me) have to deliver their work when they get paid as Buyers(Maj) have to pay when they enter an agreement. An Auction isn't a game and I'm not here to play games.

And not paying for YCHs IS getting ripped off. When someone doesn't pay for them there is no guarantee that the runner up will, so if that happens you'd have to repost the YCH over again and again there is no guarantee that it'll get the amount of bids that it did the first time. So in a way yes you are getting ripped off. This causes unneeded stress upon an artist.

I'm not even sure as to why you are trying to find something to pick on me about because I didn't do anything wrong and you are not the person that this Beware is even about.

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[xxvibrantsnowxx (from livejournal.com)]

He just happens to be my Best Friend (not that it matters to anyone) but i also take control for his account so i'm also responsable for some of his stuff but i understand that it's not about me, jsut felt like clarfying, i did look at the screenshots and as for the other PM i have like no idea who's person is that because i have never knew about this until i randomly Searched Lil-maj on one of those days on the artists Beware, i would feel quite offended too if someone send me a note like this to say the least

I do half agree and half disagree kinda on your third line, i have nothing against about your opinion on this, but as long as he didn't take a money from you or yourself never finished the picture without him paying then in my opinon that isn't a rip off but it kinds of give the artist a stress sure i do agree about that, but re-posting isn't a bad option either, because i have seen some do it, i can't change your decision about it, but yeha a re-post is still an option in my opinion, and if you're popular enough, you should not have a much problem if you didn't want to wait any longer, anyhow i guess it's useless to talk about it, i hope you don't take this as offensive *shrugs* just wanted to point that if it ever happens again

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[oceandezignz.livejournal.com]

The client in question bid on an auction with rules where they must pay within 24 hours.

If they have health issues that may have delayed them, it would be their responsibility to inform the artist of this and that should they win, there could be a delay.

The artist doesn't have to be understanding or sympathetic to them at all, and it was above and beyond for them to be so. Client bid knowing the rules, and didn't follow through as stated within those rules. And gets caught shopping around when they still have a payment due? No.

Just because you feel this isn't valid, doesn't mean its not.

Also, I need to point out that in our community rules we have a rule against questioning if a post made to this community is valid or not.

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[xxvibrantsnowxx (from livejournal.com)]

"Just because you feel this isn't valid, doesn't mean its not."

I'm sorry?

and then it's the same for you, jsut because you think it's, then it doesn't mean its

i don't need anyone to agree with me, Health issues happens from tiem to time, so you cannot control someone telling them they should care and focus more about internet or computer more than anything else, sure he got a bit active on FA, but he is caring mroe for his health mroe than anything, i mean like wow ffs some need to understand internet isn't everything, it's not like that she got ripped off

I have also never said that a post like this could be a valid or not, i just said it wasn't necessary in the first place in my opinion, and in my opinion, AB sometimes is the worst place to ruin an artist personality picture, sorry if this community doesn't respect a personal opinion like this and thinks it violates their rules lol

[teekchan.livejournal.com]

I know who that alt is, and I can say with 100% certainty it is NOT Maj. I was harassed by them as well.

I can let Credits know in private if it is allowed.

[totschrei.livejournal.com]

I am very happy to hear that it's not Maj. It would be hard to believe Maj would do that.

[teekchan.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry if this is off topic, but yeah. He wouldn't.
The same guy harassed me like this too. it's a known pattern and he's also known for it.

[totschrei.livejournal.com]

I honestly don't get how they think Harassing people will get results.
Sorry that happened to you. Hopefully it got settled!

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Only if you want to! I mean I never thought it was them in the first place because even if they did flake on the YCHs I do not see them as the type of person who would write something like that to someone.

I just figured it may have been a close friend or something that took offense.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Wow, that note.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Honestly the grammar in it is worse than the content, I couldn't even finish reading it because of that haha

[celestinaketzia.livejournal.com]

I'd avoid the client due to people like that coming out of the woodwork to defend them. Friends, you do your friend no favors by blowing up on a person due to their business transaction. It's up to the client to know themselves and inform others when they won't be able to follow through. It's how business works.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Finally a sensible and intelligent person.

[jay m (from livejournal.com)]

This is lil-maj and I want to apology to you on how my rl friend acted towards you as I didn't knew that he did such a thing until someone linked me to this site, so I'm sorry if he hurt you in a way. And he caused me a lot of problems than what I needed, and I don't appreciate his childish act at all.

But I guess the problem now is that you are saying that I've ignored your notes or didn't even replied, well I want to let you know that I have a huge pile of notes that I still didn't read and also most of them I forgot to reply back to so that means I didn't ignored you at all but I got distracted irl so I just had to react to what was distracting me irl and then when I get back to my laptop, I forget completely to reply again to the notes that I've opened.

You should have at least left a shout on my page instead of just blocking me for feeling upset that I've "ignored you" or you should have at least asked me for another way to contact me. So please don't say you've contacted me many times because I didn't got a thing from you but the note you said it wasn't opened by me which I just opened it after seeing this post.

Also you said it yourself, you didn't put any rule on those auctions stating that the second highest bidder will get the auction if the highest bidder didn't replied.

But this is the first time that this happened to me with you and it didn't happened like a 100th time, if it did happened I'll agree with you on posting a AB about me or anyone else bidding and then not paying but posting an AB about me "IGNORING" you which isn't true is not acceptable at all because you should have at least left me a note or a shout on my page stating your feelings about me "ignoring" you!

You should have instead, at least, of letting this “ignoring" go since someone else won the auction and a month have passed by when I didn’t replied, but no you were hurt so badly just because I 'ignored' you so you had to post this, which an immature act on your behalf.

So I’m just saying this, as a normal human being I do forget to reply and a friendly reminder would have been great. I will not apologise for this because the lack of communication between us led us to this.

Lastly, I don’t want anyone else replying to me because I'll ignore all replies unless it's the artist who posted this.

PS. I only got one YCH from you not more! And also you just lost someone who could donate to you without even asking for something in return! So have a great day/night.

[alysiaangee.livejournal.com]

When all else fails... blame the artist..?

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

apparently

[alysiaangee.livejournal.com]

Sorry you are having so many issues with this, the situation could have been easily avoided or fixed. Between the white-knighting 'friend' and the response above to you I feel this is someone to watch out for.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

it's alright! a note to all artists really, don't let clients make you feel bad or guilt trip you when you know you have done nothing wrong, as long as you're honest and are doing all your work you have nothing to feel bad about

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

The attitude the client displayed here (trying to make everything your fault, trying to guilt trip you, etc)is definitely more than enough to make sure I'll be avoiding them. Thank you for the beware.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Thank you for saying that, I did also add an edit to add a pm they sent me on FA which is more of the same but I saw the pm before I saw this comment here, just makes me shake my head more.

[celestinaketzia.livejournal.com]

Wow, what an attitude. It's not the artist's job to manage their clients' business. If you're going to be bidding on auctions, then you'd better darn well make sure you keep up with them. Thank you for the beware, Bunnystrut, because that attitude is atrocious.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Pretty much, it's not my fault if a person has hundreds of notes and are bidding on a lot of other auctions. Plus I already sent 2 pms anyway it's not my job to chase him down for payment or anyone for that matter. You are welcome and thank you for the comment.

[m jay (from livejournal.com)]

This is Lil-Maj and I'd like to get a refund from the artist because I have won this (NSFW) https://www.dropbox.com/s/2911m87fk9y1d3s/photo.PNG and she took it down from her gallery.

Here are the proofs: http://i42.tinypic.com/dz8mv.png & http://i39.tinypic.com/2mnp5sp.png & http://i40.tinypic.com/2wqhjl3.png & http://i41.tinypic.com/ejwvo6.png

She has blocked me so I can no longer give her my info so I want a full refund.

So she owes me money and I want it back as I don't want the YCH anymore.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Did they never finish the art for this YCH you paid for in July?

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

I guess they're still trying to pin fault on me for things.

http://i.imgur.com/033zOAf.png

http://i.imgur.com/Zyt7kwG.png

Yes they did pay for that YCH and they said they wanted to wait a while to think about what character they wanted me to draw for it. A while passed and I didn't hear from them so when they won one of my other YCHs I had asked them again what did they want me to draw, they still wanted more time. So I waited.

Then unfortunately in July I was hospitalized 6 times in 10 weeks (I have Sickle Cell) When I was better and came back still no word on anything. So the money went to paying off bills since I was in a bind.

But anyway, I couldn't have been able to draw them anything since they left with no word. It's been /5 months/ since then with me trying to figure out what they wanted and they telling me to wait a while. I've done every single commission and ych that was paid of me from everyone who has commissioned me including him except this one because I never got instructions and been waiting this whole time. If they want $50 to leave me alone then that's perfectly fine with me.

[teekchan.livejournal.com]

Did you mean to link the exact same note caps that lil-maj did? Or is that a mistake?

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

No it wasn't a mistake, just showing I have them too. Anyway all I'm saying is that I did contact them about it and I did ask them again in a note about a different YCH if they knew what character they wanted me to draw and they asked me for a little bit of time so I said sure and never heard back a word.

So how could I have been able to deliver them a picture when I never knew what to draw them in the first place? I have the $50 and if they give me their PP I can give it back to them right now.

[teekchan.livejournal.com]

Oh okay. It's a bit confusing, sorry.

He is blocked, why did you not send the money back before blocking him? He cannot contact you, and I think that's a very unprofessional thing to do, no matter what the other party does, as they cannot ask for their money back. it basically scream 'I am keeping your money.'

I had a situation where I had to block a customer and I owed they a second commission. I sent the money back explaining I was no longer doing work for them, and blocked them. I wouldn't dare block without refunding.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

http://i.imgur.com/xE84lCy.png

it's done

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Anyway I just don't want to argue about this anymore. I just want to show I'm the bigger person in this situation anyway. It doesn't matter anymore if they gave me refs or not, http://i.imgur.com/xE84lCy.png I gave them $50 and there's nothing left to argue about.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Definitely the best decision, hope this whole thing can be water under the bridge now.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

Like I said to the person below. I sent you again, several PMs asking what you wanted, and when you won another YCH I asked you again, and you said you needed time to think about it.

Then I don't know if you read about it but I had to go to the hospital 6 times and during this time I still had no word from you so I couldn't have possibly drawn you anything if you haven't told me what to draw. All money I earned up until that time when to hospital bills but if you want $50 to leave me alone then PM me your paypal address and I'll give you $50.

[bunnystrut.livejournal.com]

never mind i don't need a pm i found your pp address

http://i.imgur.com/xE84lCy.png its done