Problems with Toichi
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WHO: Toichi on Furaffinity.
WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/toichi/
WHAT: Digital art.
WHEN: September 4th, they commissioned me as I was holding special Feral dragon commissions.
http://gyazo.com/3db79b314364aa883a3ff76a93a09dc6
None of my other customers have problems with these prices, but he gladly paid etc.
I finished it on September 11th and showed it to him.
Finished (NSFW): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/14509992/
SFW: http://gyazo.com/88d0c0fdfca9c8d321d9d8dd928396d1
There are two versions, one sfw and one nsfw.
PROOF: That same day this happened:
http://gyazo.com/f410cb7be992875659a83a1e25754225 (Sorry for the mess in the note, but I'm sure you get the point)
As you can see I was trying to be as patient as possible with this guy, and in the end, he was just expecting free art.
NOW a month later, he's stiring up trouble again.
http://gyazo.com/09369226ef99511a73465843d73c90d7
http://gyazo.com/03ddffadbce2a4008931e4a2d18e420b
And I only find out he's tampered with the original art, which is against my TOS.
http://gyazo.com/1e5de2e4b4811dc0baef3a7c70e1f653 (The bits and the toe)
He says he feels horrible about the conflict, then goes on saying that my art is crap.
He was back and forth about this as you can see in the note, saying he loved it etc, then putting my stuff down.
EXPLAIN: I tried my best to accommodate him as you can see in this note: http://gyazo.com/f410cb7be992875659a83a1e25754225, I fixed things, and i gave him the amount he wanted in a refund.
Many people I've talked too have said my art is par with everything else I've done, and I really love this piece.
EDIT:
He is now posting about me on his Twitter: (He posted it after he emailed me.)
http://gyazo.com/f7b6701bf80afa070ab9297a63ea037a
And contacting me through Email.
http://gyazo.com/721f4d669081d991d3e83a1298147519
I have contacted neer himself about it, and his original journal was removed,
Neer posted this to me:
http://gyazo.com/2c7ab3d90475c59463aaeea40c65ca82
Right after he got the journal taking down. Toichi posted another, saying I was harassing him now. (I didn't get a chance to screen shot it as he removed it right after.)
The whole time, I calmly tried to reply to his notes, but then after I blocked him as I didn't want to deal with the stress, only to see that he had emailed me and was pestering me on there.
Please watch out for this guy, he's very confusing and I don't want anyone else to deal with this.
WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/toichi/
WHAT: Digital art.
WHEN: September 4th, they commissioned me as I was holding special Feral dragon commissions.
http://gyazo.com/3db79b314364aa883a3ff76a93a09dc6
None of my other customers have problems with these prices, but he gladly paid etc.
I finished it on September 11th and showed it to him.
Finished (NSFW): http://www.furaffinity.net/view/14509992/
SFW: http://gyazo.com/88d0c0fdfca9c8d321d9d8dd928396d1
There are two versions, one sfw and one nsfw.
PROOF: That same day this happened:
http://gyazo.com/f410cb7be992875659a83a1e25754225 (Sorry for the mess in the note, but I'm sure you get the point)
As you can see I was trying to be as patient as possible with this guy, and in the end, he was just expecting free art.
NOW a month later, he's stiring up trouble again.
http://gyazo.com/09369226ef99511a73465843d73c90d7
http://gyazo.com/03ddffadbce2a4008931e4a2d18e420b
And I only find out he's tampered with the original art, which is against my TOS.
http://gyazo.com/1e5de2e4b4811dc0baef3a7c70e1f653 (The bits and the toe)
He says he feels horrible about the conflict, then goes on saying that my art is crap.
He was back and forth about this as you can see in the note, saying he loved it etc, then putting my stuff down.
EXPLAIN: I tried my best to accommodate him as you can see in this note: http://gyazo.com/f410cb7be992875659a83a1e25754225, I fixed things, and i gave him the amount he wanted in a refund.
Many people I've talked too have said my art is par with everything else I've done, and I really love this piece.
EDIT:
He is now posting about me on his Twitter: (He posted it after he emailed me.)
http://gyazo.com/f7b6701bf80afa070ab9297a63ea037a
And contacting me through Email.
http://gyazo.com/721f4d669081d991d3e83a1298147519
I have contacted neer himself about it, and his original journal was removed,
Neer posted this to me:
http://gyazo.com/2c7ab3d90475c59463aaeea40c65ca82
Right after he got the journal taking down. Toichi posted another, saying I was harassing him now. (I didn't get a chance to screen shot it as he removed it right after.)
The whole time, I calmly tried to reply to his notes, but then after I blocked him as I didn't want to deal with the stress, only to see that he had emailed me and was pestering me on there.
Please watch out for this guy, he's very confusing and I don't want anyone else to deal with this.
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Date: 2014-10-24 07:58 pm (UTC)Also glad Dragoneer sided with you on this.
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Date: 2014-10-24 09:02 pm (UTC)I'm so glad it's over with, now I want to stop it from happening to someone else.
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Date: 2014-10-24 08:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-24 09:04 pm (UTC)That's backwards. If there was something they didnt like they should have pointed it out along the process and not with the finished piece. Bullying you into a partial refund sounds like buyer's remorse to me. Will be keeping an eye out for this one.
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Date: 2014-10-24 09:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-24 08:18 pm (UTC)I know adzuki asked this but I am curious too. Did you show them WIPs? If not does your TOS say anything about edits/WIPS?
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Date: 2014-10-24 08:59 pm (UTC)I was pointed out later that the wing fingers do look a little wonky, but that was after he kept harassing me and after all this stuff happened.
I just redid my TOS, and stated that I will only be doing 3 revisions now.
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Date: 2014-10-24 08:27 pm (UTC)I'm appalled that he went as far as to publicly call your art "crap" and that you put him through "hell". I think you did everything you could have done for him. I'm sorry you had to go through such a bad situation...
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Date: 2014-10-24 09:00 pm (UTC)I just dont want this to happen to anyone else. I don't want them to go through what I've gone through.
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Date: 2014-10-24 09:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-24 10:21 pm (UTC)I got that out of them after much moaning about poor art quality ect. They told me everything from I was a terrible person, to a down right shitty artist XD
Don't let it get you down, its terrible when it happens but it is obvious you did your best to please them. In the end, they are just one bad commissioner, and unfortunately they pop up from time to time :)
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Date: 2014-10-25 12:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-24 10:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-24 10:26 pm (UTC)What a loser
Date: 2014-10-24 11:13 pm (UTC)Re: What a loser
Date: 2014-10-24 11:19 pm (UTC)Oops, apologies
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Date: 2014-10-25 06:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-25 02:22 am (UTC)However, he didn't even mention that until after he'd already said that he liked the picture and approved it, so I think he was looking for reasons to get a refund. I'm glad you handled it so well and didn't give in to his demand of a full refund. You did the work and deserve pay. Other than the oversight of the toes, I think this work is up to snuff with the rest of what's in your gallery, so I don't know what he was expecting. Well deserved beware.
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Date: 2014-10-25 02:29 am (UTC)Had he said it at the begining, then yes, I would have gladly fixed it, but he was nothing but rude.
I just hope no one else goes through this, because I honestly feel like crap.
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Date: 2014-10-25 02:51 am (UTC)I have a gut feeling that might be his true motivation. :/ Consider his public harassment towards the artist.
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Date: 2014-10-25 06:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-25 09:23 am (UTC)They still demanded a refund, but eventually got banned from the site it was on....long time ago XD...1999 ugh.
Least that was better then the person that ran off with 20 linearts without paying (linearts then payment) because i was too naive to watermark them - to get them colored by someone else :/. 2001 - still a bad time for artist on the net.
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Date: 2014-11-25 11:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-25 06:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-10-25 10:16 am (UTC)You are NEVER obligated to refund someone after all that. He was lucky he got anything, I also feel that its weird how he decided he disliked it after he said that he liked it, even with numerous updates. Just.. wow... one of the worst I have seen in a while.
Beware completely and totally warranted.
Wow
Date: 2014-10-25 11:59 am (UTC)Preemptively blocking this guy. Thanks for the heads up. No one should have to go through and deal with this kind of behavior, and I'm sorry you had this experience!
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Date: 2014-10-26 11:05 am (UTC)To "I hate to ask, could you change this?"
"Change that too."
"This looks half-assed, change it."
To "Gimme a refund."
Yikes.
"I'm almost always looking for someone to do some commission work for me.I'm a fan of a lot of artists in the community."
Ahaha.. Gosh I hope those artists check here first.