Artist Kannos

[thesnowedone.livejournal.com]

WHO:
Kannos / Kannosart / KannosWD

WHERE:
https://inkbunny.net/Kannos (IB - consider NSFW)
https://inkbunny.net/Kannosart (IB - consider NSFW)
https://twitter.com/KannosArt
https://kannos.sofurry.com/
https://www.weasyl.com/profile/kannos

WHAT:
Two Character Realism Auction (IB - consider NSFW) - Total Value $876.39USD (750USD+126.39USD to cover all Paypal processing) - Bid won by Baybea whom was bidding for TheSnowedOne

PLUS

Full Color Character Reference Sheet for Baybea - Total Value $320.94USD (275USD+45.94USD to cover all Paypal processing)

Commissioners involved:
Baybea - https://inkbunny.net/Baybea (IB - consider NSFW)

PLUS

TheSnowedOne - https://www.furaffinity.net/user/thesnowedone/

WHEN:
Baybea's Full Color Character Reference Sheet paid for on the 4th November 2013.
TheSnowedOne's Two Character Realism Piece paid for on the 13th November 2013 - Bidding Agent Baybea


PROOF:
IB Journals
Birthday.. - IB direct link is HERE - 8th Nov 2013, 6:36pm
Thanks. -IB direct link is HERE - posted 9th Nov 2013, 9:30am
2 Character Realism Auction - ANYTHING GOES (Emergency)- IB direct link is HERE - posted 10th Nov 2013, 9:57am

Paypal Payments
Payment for Full Color Character Reference Sheet
Payment for TheSnowedOne's Two Character Realism Piece

IB Private Message Logs
16th Aug 2014, 8:38pm - 19th Feb 2015, 9:37am - IB - Private Message Conversation from OLD account Kannos
21st Feb 2015, 6:51pm - present - IB - Private Message Conversation from NEW account Kannosart

EXPLAIN:
Baybea (a person friend) had been dealing with Kannos over a number of months with positive results. Service was friendly; the artist was approachable and seemed to be trying to endevouring to turn service around. A number of smaller commission (3 in total) were made to Kannos by Baybea previously. These commissions had a good turn around with no issues on the result and payment was requested only after the final image was ready. Due to having no credit card; Baybea uses my paypal account to make payments.

Based on this positive experience Baybea then commissioned the Full Color Character Reference Commission. This was agreed on over Skype approximately October 2013; (No logs available - Baybea's Skype logs only go back about 6 months due to a laptop rebuild).

Either during this commission request discussion or around the same time on Skype Kannos made mention of financial issues. Baybea responded by paying for the commission up front instead of only after image completion. Payment was accepted by Kannos (proof above).

Starting the 8th of November; Kannos over two journals linked about ("Birthday.." and "Thanks." describes some financial distress which including a charge back from Paypal of around ~1200USD; leaving their paypal account in the negative by ~900USD. To alleviate this issue a day later on the 10th of November Kannos starts a 2 Character Realism Auction - ANYTHING GOES as an emergency commission. It is noted payment is required before the 18tth of November to cover car payments.

Encouraged by Baybea (due to her positive experiences with Kannos and what seemed a friendly rapport) I request Baybea to bid on the auction for myself; bidding up to the minimum required for full body pieces.

Over email I note I need time to get the required information together for this commission however to make sure the car payment is not missed I would pay up front. This transaction is completed on the 13th November (see above).

Unfortunately at this point I have both a combination of health and work issues that prevent me from returning to Kannos with all the required information to complete this information until approximately April 2014. During this time Baybea keeps in contact with Kannos over updates to her full character commission every couple of months. More issues affect Kannos life which are reported on IB via journals. However Kannos would regularly promise sketches of the initial reference sheet normally within the next week (usually after the following weekend). None of these promises were fulfilled. Progress is apparently being made on Baybea's Character Reference but either due to location or other personal issues Kannos is not able to show any updates to Baybea.

This continues after I have given Kannos all the information for my requests via email. Requests for updates now include my commission as well; again with promises of sketches in a week or so time.

Requests for updates by Baybea start to not get responded to on both Skype and IB. After over a month of no response at the end of May 2014 I request contact by Kannos with 72 hours or I would consider Kannos to have no intention of fulfilling the commission.

As the 72 hour deadline hit I finally managed to get Kannos on Skype on the 2nd of June 2014 (once again unfortunately my Skype logs are unavailable due to computer rebuild about 8 months ago). I note I am unsatisfied by the lack of responses and also the multiple promises of sketches. During this conversation I note I am an administrator for a number of Furry websites and communities (by this point I know they have already been banned from FA).

Kannos responds by explaining they are currently under a large amount of stress due to personal issues; they promise to catch up on the outstanding sketches. I agree to not proceed with any further action at this point. Kannos then Skypes with Baybea noting that I upset them and they are uncomfortable with dealing with me further as they are worried I will "do" something to them. It is agreed that Baybea will act as the point of contact from this point forward so long as Kannos keeps with regular updates.

16th Aug 2014, 8:38pm - 19th Feb 2015, 9:37am - IB - Private Message Conversation from OLD account Kannos

The above IB private message log pick up at this point. Over the remaining months Kannos continues to make promises of updates after exceedingly long gaps of no communication despite update requests.

21st Feb 2015, 6:51pm - present - IB - Private Message Conversation from NEW account Kannosart

On the 21st of February Kannos contacts Baybea on a new IB account "Kannosart". The reason given by Kannos is that they are having problems logging into their other account "Kannos".

Baybea responds by noting that and requesting an update on everything with a note that she is having pressure placed on her to see some of the promised sketches. After nearly a month of no response on the 19th of March Kannos responds with:
"Sorry I don't have time for commissions anymore with work, I'm going to have to cancel it."

Baybea acquiesces Kannos' cancellation request and proceeds to note the amounts needed to refund both Baybea and myself with the Paypal account used (mine in both cases).

Kannos after 10 days responds on Saturday 28th March with:
"I don't have the money to refund. I'm barely able to afford rent :\ rant about me to A_B all you want I don't care anymore."

Baybea then notes Kannos response; notes that she would have been happy to work out a payment scheme but will do as Kannos requests and also look into legal options. She then also notes she would advise myself of the response.

It is therefore with some disappointment that we arrive here.


UPDATE - 2015-04-11: The account "Kannosart" on IB has been determined by IB staff to be an impostor. Baybea has responded to a journal post by the original "Kannos" account to contact via email and is following up.

Comments

mod comment

[celestinaketzia.livejournal.com]

Howdy! Your links to the auction contain NSFW content. Please edit your post to put a NSFW warning on them, thanks!

Re: mod comment

[thesnowedone.livejournal.com]

Added appropriate NSFW warnings for the IB links including the auction - apologies.

[celestinaketzia.livejournal.com]

Ah, it's sad to see she's finally graduated to unbridled theft. What a shame.

As it has been for years upon years, the beware is still very much warranted.

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

I honestly think this has been her attitude towards commissions all along, but she knew she had to at least pretend to care to get return customers. Now she has a job, and no longer has to pretend. She never cared to begin with, it was just a necessity.

Hopefully for her, she keeps that job and never has to come back to the community for help after blatantly stating she doesn't care. I wonder how many other people she's just straight-up ditched out on.

ETA: Also please do look into legal action if possible. Too many people have taught her stealing thousands of dollars is okay.

[frisket17.livejournal.com]

Isn't Kannos = Starfinder?
(She's shifted several names several times)
Asking just in case tags need to be updated to reflect other aliases. :)


Hrrr -- Didn't see proper tags.
Sorry. In a post Easter Turkey dinner coma .. My brains don't work.

[sapphistscot.livejournal.com]

My thoughts exactly. Screwing over her repeat customers is awful. If her work ethic at her job is at all similar to her work ethic with commissions then I'll be interested to see if she can actually keep said job for more than a few months.

[pinstripedtiger.livejournal.com]

Hoooly crap, how anyone can just be so bold-faced rude while telling someone they're not going to refund someone several hundred dollars is just... astounding.

Definitely call Paypal and inform them of the situation if you can. You might be able to get your money back, but even if not, letting them know that's how she conducts business would help.

I hope you're able to pursue legal action, I know that's a tough ordeal.

[ukthewhitewolf.livejournal.com]

w o w

That's awful. Not a surprise, but awful nonetheless, I'm sorry you both had to go through that. Dx
I'd second encouraging legal action, that is an awful lot of money to just walk off with without delivering and she doesn't have a legal leg to stand on.

[westly-roanoke.livejournal.com]

Well, that's neat. She's at least now being honest about her business practices...

I think this would be one hilarious case on something like Judge Joe Brown.

[zackfig.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'd love to see the tv judges reactions to these NSFW pics.

Funnily though, that might be the best option for artists like these as the show normally pays off whatever is owed in exchange for losing your dignity on national tv.

[dinogrrl.livejournal.com]

Oh man. I'm so sorry you got sucked into the bottomless vortex that is Kannos.

At this point I pretty much automatically assume every word that comes out of her mouth is a straight-up lie, or at very best, a poor excuse. The only true thing I see in this entire post is her saying she doesn't care, which is a disgusting attitude but something we've all known or highly suspected about her for years. Honestly your only hope with getting anything at this point is to go the legal route, if you're able. With the way she's known to pick and choose what way-overdue work she does, that's probably your best bet at getting a response from her.

[zackfig.livejournal.com]

wait... why were you paying paypal processing fees?

also, I wish I was a lawyer, just so I could help people with small claims court.

[yuki-fox-demon.livejournal.com]

That caught my eye as well. Isn't against Paypal's ToS to have the buyer pay the fees?

[thesnowedone.livejournal.com]

Ah that is my fault; it's a habit I got into when I was dealing with (what I thought) were trusted artists; sort of a pre-tip. Considering the pieces that had been completed for Baybea before hand and the rapid response and turn around I truly had thought Kannos had indeed turned a new leaf.

[latiro.livejournal.com]

That's what I was thinking. You could get your PayPal account frozen for having buyers cover PayPal fees.

[kayla-na.livejournal.com]

She doesn't have the money to refund you but she has a job? hum....chargeback?

[maryseif.livejournal.com]

Surprise! She hasn't changed at all. She scammed a friend of mine out of 500$ a few years back and gave her much the same excuses/end response. Once a scam artist, always a scam artist.

[wolfyu.livejournal.com]

Those responses are indescribably bad...I truly thought she was moving in the right direction these last few years.

Just wanted to bring up one thing: I seem to recall that in the past she's had some copycat/imposter accounts pretending to be her, using her icon and artist bio, that sort of thing. The typing and verbosity (plus ending with '-K', does she do that anywhere else?) from this account don't line up with other PMs, journals, and messages of hers that I've read. The 'new account' is just absolutely weird seeing that it ONLY contains a copy/pasted artist bio. Would IB admins be able to trace IP addresses or something similar for the two accounts to see if they're related? Especially if the situation involves such a large sum of money and a scammed customer?

Ugh, what a mess. In any case, good luck with your legal proceedings, and I hope you see some results.

[thesnowedone.livejournal.com]

I do know that the IB admins have been informed of the situation and afaik are investigating.

[thesnowedone.livejournal.com]

I agree the new account is weird and the reason given for using it (being they could not get into their original account Kannos) seemed suspicious. However a majority of the discussion was done on the original account with the last month or so just being the actual cancellation and refusal to refund.

I do know that I have paid Kannos for Baybea to the same Paypal address on a few occasions before this and I assume that since Baybea received the artwork in question on those occasions there were no issues and they were dealing with the correct Kannos.

[ben-raccoon.livejournal.com]

Inkbunny staff here. We have reason to doubt the authenticity of that second account. However, we are investigating other options.

[greenreaper.livejournal.com]

There are privacy issues with us releasing detailed information to third parties without permission from one of the accounts - but it is certainly reasonable to suspect whether a newly-registered account with a similar name and user icon is actually the person concerned.

Inkbunny has automatic password recovery, and if there is an issue with, say, a broken email address, we will work with a user to authenticate their rightful control of an account through other means, if they request us to.

Kannos Whereabouts

[warally.livejournal.com]

I spoke to her bestie a little while back, just asking for her whereabouts since she still owes another friend a commission. She's still active on facebook, is working for a florist taking pretty photos. She seems to have no more money troubles after being able to afford plenty of parts for her project cars and project dogs. She is ridiculously easy to track down on facebook, vain scam artist loves to show off her 'work', but for privacy reasons I won't link here.

So judging by the lack of communication and posting on inkbunny, she's left the fandom FOR GOOD. Should we celebrate? I'm not sure, maybe I'll be celebrating after a successful lawsuit.

Mods, as an FYI, Fleki posted a beware under Utunu's post about Starfinder. I'm not sure if Fleki is posting an official beware but that is one more person who this artist has ripped off. The list just keeps growing.

But, looks like she's gone. For good. Or until she loses her job.

Re: Kannos Whereabouts

[thesnowedone.livejournal.com]

For obvious reason I'd be interested in knowing about that Facebook account.

[warally.livejournal.com]

Looks like she's been banned from Inkbunny!

I hope the people to whom she still owes money/art keep fighting. If you need a way to contact her let me know. I don't know her personally but I know friends and know where she is active online and can be contacted.

[thesnowedone.livejournal.com]

At this stage I'm weighing up the cost of doing a lawsuit internationally against the cost of the lost commission. In the meantime I will also look at making sure the administration of Sofurry and Weasly are also aware of her current business practice.

I am however glad that at least no more Inkbunny users will be exposed.

She's posting to DA/Sofurry

[execgato.livejournal.com]

She's posting under the alias kannoswd to deviantart and sofurry now and posting journals asking for commissioners to contact her. I know she's had unusual problems with "impostor" accounts before, but looking at descriptions it sounds like her. I looked up the username on FA and she had tried posting there too but must have been banned pretty quickly, so I guess it's a genuine alias?

Anyway, you guys might be able to contact her there if she's been banned on Inkbunny?