Shadowfox Insisting.

[rika-wulf.livejournal.com]

This past weekend at furry fiesta, Shadowfox ( www.furaffinity.net/user/shadowfox8588 ) commissioned me for an inked 2 character pinup with blacklight coloring on the pawpads and penis. I have written down exactly what he described to me, a receipt for the commission and the sign of what I was offering at this convention. I was NOT offering colored pinups at this con!

He then proceeded to return to my table at least 5 times that day when I told him I'd have it done the next morning because pinups take me longer.
The next morning I had the inked commission done for him. He asked me why it wasn't colored... I told him it wasn't supposed to be colored and he just left my table.

Shadowfox continued to insist that he ordered a colored pinup from me and demanded I take it home and color it. I have it here with be because I could not get a word in edgewise before he just walked away from my table.



I have no idea what to do here. He's now posting shouts on my page asking whether or not I have word on his commission status. Please help, AB.


I'm sure most of you know his history, and frankly I was a little intimidated seeing him in person and actually dealing with his attitude problem.








EDIT:

Things have been worked out. All is good.

Comments

[taigitsune.livejournal.com]

Since he didn't pay for color, he doesn't get color.

If he wants to pay for it, you're free to complete it at your leisure and send it to him.

He can't say or do anything now that you're not face-to-face. <3

[shadowfox8588.livejournal.com]

Err.. just read this.. Aculy what happened was is i thought i had bought a digital and when i ordered a colored i dident know. I asked if there was a way to make it digital and she said. that it costs extra. So i think asked if i could pay extra.

This seems like furry drama to me. Furrys tend to say alot of shit about me localy. Also my commission was never mailed to me is my other issue. But i dident bitch about it. just a lost 40$

[allykat.livejournal.com]

Ahmen! He didn't pay for color, he gets no color. Shout right back and tell him that you don't understand WHY he didn't take his finished color commission with him at the con, and please shoot you the money required for shipping it.

Also, hold on to that sign and receipt in stuff in case he tries to come over here and pull anything.

[ainoko-ironrose.livejournal.com]

I agree with Taigitsune here, he paid for an inked pinup, not a colored pinup. I saw your signs at the con, he doesn't have a leg to stand on in this case. Tell him that if he is wanting the pinup colored, he is going to have to ante up the monies for the color. Case closed.

[marus-puppy.livejournal.com]

So you did a pinup for him even though you weren't officially offering pinups at the con and now he's demanding more than that (i.e. color)?

Frankly, he shouldn't get any more unless he paid for the color. You shouldn't have gone out of your way to do his commission in the first place and it's really nice that you did, but now you're really not obligated to do anymore. Either scan and email it to him or get his address and mail it, then be done with him. If he continues to harass you, just block him. Maybe notify an admin, though I'm not sure how much they'll do.

[ducttapeninja.livejournal.com]

To my understanding, the artist was offering pinups, just not colored ones. At least, that's what I got from the OP anyway.

[lurkerwisp.livejournal.com]

Maybe you could scan the reciept and email it back to him to remind him what he actually purchased. Maybe he's just extremely stupidly mistaken?

He's being really rude about it, but hopefully that's something that can be cleared up.

[uozlulu.livejournal.com]

This is what I was going to say. If you still have the receipt, maybe a scan of it can clear this up quickly.

[zoom-gas.livejournal.com]

ok i kind of honestly laughed a little at the blacklight penis BUT yeah, dude didn't commission a full colored piece, you don't own him one. Simple as that.

[insane-kangaroo.livejournal.com]

This is exactly why anything I sell gives a simple description on the receipt. I can go back and point out what was for sell.

If he persists, block him. If he persists by going around your block on FA, alert one of the FA administrators.

[ducttapeninja.livejournal.com]

First off, if you had a sign there showing exactly what you were taking commissions on, and he didn't actually specify coloring when he commissioned you, then it's his fault, not yours. Just tell him straight up that you weren't taking colored commissions, he didn't specify he wanted it colored at the time he commissioned you, and that the inked version is all he gets. You shouldn't be expected to put in more work for free just because he didn't read the sign.

[mr-cullen.livejournal.com]

If you clearly advertised what you were offering (In this case; Non coloured pinups) and he's demanding more than advertised he should pay you for the extra work to colour it, or colour it himself/get someone else to colour it for him.

I can't say I;m personally aware of the dude's rep tho. First time I've heard of him I think.

[anime-amy.livejournal.com]

Because of his history I would be very careful in how you handle this.

Don't give him the colored commission though. Scan the receipts and everything that shows that he in fact did NOT get a colored pin-up commission.

Also if you have a price list on your FA showing the price he payed was in fact for just inked that would be even better to show him along with the receipt.

[obsidianwolfess.livejournal.com]

IAWTC

[startide.livejournal.com]

I don't know him personally, but from what I hear among the DFW locals, he tends to use intimidation to try to get his way. Stick to your guns if he tries to escalate it.

[draggo.livejournal.com]

I do know him personally. He is a huge drama magnet and will try to use intimidation to get what he wants. He also has his own page on Encyclopedia Dramatica for other things he has done.

[naminess.livejournal.com]

i re-read and caught this: 'commissioned me for an inked 2 character pinup with blacklight coloring'

so i assume there is a mix up in terminology based on how this was worded.

i would supply him a copy of his order as you took it down, show it in comparison to the photos of you sign of 'what was offered for commission that con' and offer an apology if there was confusion on the terminology, but for coloring work on the pinup you will need to charge extra.

good luck! i hope this resolves quickly and satisfactorily.

[stormslegacy.livejournal.com]

I dunno if it means there was a mix-up--as an artist I can't tell you just how many people go into detail about the very specific shade of salmon pink their character is on an obviously black and white commission.

[goosestep-lion.livejournal.com]

Why refund him though? The artist DID the work and it is completed, the commissioner just refused to take it with them at the time.. So why should the artist have to refund for somethign that was completed????

[mrst4nkr.livejournal.com]

You could always offer a refund, and then try to sell the image. He'd probably get peeved at that, though.


He didn't pay for color? Don't give him color. If he wants to yell at you, let him. He's not hurting anyone's reputation but his own (as a commissioner).

....I suppose he didn't pay you for SHIPPING, since he was supposed to take it with him at the con. You shouldn't be expected to cover that, but since you didn't (to my knowledge) give him the ultimatum of taking what he paid for or leaving it for you to re-sell, he does need to receive that art or his money back.

I'd offer it to him one last time. If he refuses it, get it in writing (or typing.. you get the idea. ) and block him. Make sure you understand that he doesn't want the money or the art. Thank him for the donation. Hopefully he'll read signs better next time. End of story.

[epiceternity.livejournal.com]

Seems he must have misunderstood what he was paying for (maybe something in the convo gave him the impression it would be coloured) Or he's simply trying it on to get more that what he paid for. It's difficult to really know.
I think the only thing you can do is scan the image and give him a copy with the offer of posting out the original if he wants it. I was going to say email him it but then he might start harassing you via email so might be better to use something like Yousendit. At least then you've covered your bases on trying to give him the art he paid for.

Hope things work out!

off topic but...

[seaweed-fma.livejournal.com]

LOLing at your Ed icon. :)

[lunasilvertail.livejournal.com]

Maybe there was a mix-up in terminology. I'm guessing that the "color" shows up under a black light, right? Maybe it would be wise to explain to him that you must show it under a black light, otherwise it is color-less.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

The commission is complete. He has no right to more than what he paid for. In your shoes i would tell him that his commission was finished but he refused to take it, so if he wants it now he will have to pay you for shipping or just accept a scan of the image. Do not allow him to bully you! If any form of harassment ensues then block him.

[cissa.livejournal.com]

YES.

[magusmanx.livejournal.com]

I'd do what every one is saying above. Scan the receipt, point out where it says 'Black and White' if possible, and send it to him with his art. Do NOT give him colored, giving into his demands will just prove to him that he can bully artists into getting what he wants.

[baronyiffington.livejournal.com]

"commissioned me for an inked 2 character pinup with blacklight coloring"

"I told him it wasn't supposed to be colored and he just left my table."

Um...?

[psycho-mandy.livejournal.com]

"commissioned me for an inked 2 character pinup with blacklight coloring on the pawpads and penis"

I'm sure that the artist meant that while the specified areas would have blacklight coloring the entire piece was not meant to be fully colored.

[korth-dono.livejournal.com]

Don't give into his intimidation. I personally have no tolerance for peoples bullshit, and the situation would have gone much worse if I were in your shoes XD

But, yes. He did not pay for colour - he does not GET colour. Remind him of such, and tell him you will not budge on the subject. Send him a scan, tell him to pay for shipping if he wants it in person, and block him after it's all said and done.

[myenia.livejournal.com]

I've heard from many people this guy is a problem, don't worry about it, just blow him off. His bad-mouthing won't make you look bad.

If it helps any, he first came to my table looking for it, insisting that I had accepted a full color pinup, while I don't offer either! I had to convince him that I did not have any commissions with him.

[myenia.livejournal.com]

I wanted to also add...I'm not sure how you handle your receipts...but I have my commissioners fill out what they want themselves. This way, its in their own handwriting.

[animecat.livejournal.com]

This exactly! I do the same, having a form that the commissioner fills out. That way, if anything is left out, its because they failed to inform me of it, not by my own negligence. And since my forms are made in carbon-copy duplicates, they get a copy when they commission me, so they can see for themselves what they've written.

Wtf?

[shadowfox8588.livejournal.com]

I just read this shit. I was asking how much extra it would be to get it color. And yes i did misunderstand what i was geting. And i told you that i wanted to pay extra for it to be colored.

Issue solved!

[shadowfox8588.livejournal.com]

Me and rika talked today Was a miscommunication. Take care guys! and thanks rika!

Re: Issue solved!

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Be sure to ask Rika to edit the post to say all's good and we'll mark it as resolved! :)