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[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

WHO:  Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom


WHERE:  http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).

WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".


WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.


As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.


These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]



Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]



Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg




Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg



Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg



Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]




Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.


Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.



As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.

Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg  [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg   [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.


Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.



Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg



http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

Comments

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Well, since I already did all the work, and one person requested to see it, here is the problem:
Every example is distorted.
I've done overlays with the linked pieces and the overlays, sometimes with redline traces to make the reference points clearer.
(most of these are probably NSFW)

Example 1 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example1acorn.gif)
Example 2 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example2acorn.gif)
Example 3a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example3aacorn.gif)
Example 3b (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example3bacorn.gif)
Example 4a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example4aacorn.gif)
Example 4b (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example4bacorn.gif)
Example 5 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example5acorn.gif)
Example 6 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example6acorn.gif)
Example 7a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example7a.gif)
(I did not do the other two overlays in this series)
Example 8a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example8aacorn.gif)
Example 8b (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v29/kakurine/y8tn2gio.png) by squirrelly_kakuposted here (http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/542457.html?thread=20388601#t20388601).
(I did not do the other two overlays in this series)

[sbneko.livejournal.com]

Wow. Ok, I can completely see someone distorting a bit by accident, every time I resize something it can be a little longer, squished, but just a little bit. These though? They're so squished and stretched that I find it really hard to believe she didn't notice what so ever that they weren't done well.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

Considering the fact that I've been sick with a flu since the 17th and suffering sinus migraines, I have not been as aware of things as I would have been if I was in full health.

Again, I've apologized and retracted my allegations last night, well before others began to create their own overlays.

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

The problem is that all of these are distorted so that they match. Flu or not, you can't accidentally do that.

[fastbreak333.livejournal.com]

Then why did you do it if you were sick? You shouldn't have been messing around with this stuff if your sinuses were shot.

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

An honest question here: isn't it just as simple for an artist to stretch a piece of art before tracing too? It only seems like they were stretched vert or hor., I was expecting something one end to be small and the other large, or something like that.

[shukivengeance.livejournal.com]

Yes it is entirely possible a tracer could skew an image before tracing over it, you just have to balance that against the fact that Acorn morphed the images to make them fit and never made a note with her overlays that she'd manipulated them. I think not mentioning this before is probably what is bothering some people.

It's also worth bearing in mind that manipulating an image to make certain pieces line up with another is very easy to do and it makes the evidence a bit less credible since this could be done with any two images with pose similarities.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

as I said, I didn't realize they got distorted. Had I intentionally changed them to fit perfectly, I never would have posted them here, since I feel that that is not sufficient evidence.

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

Ah, I see what the issue is. Thanks.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Sure, they could.
My point is a) it's easy to make a few things line up if you take two similar poses and distort them, even if they weren't traced
b) the accused in question shows a fairly consistent knowledge of anatomy, including for "difficult" parts such as the face, hands, etc. Why would they distort other artists work in order to trace a hip or butt, then painstakingly render all the proper anatomy around that line or two?
It's a little like saying "my neighbor is breaking into my house and taking only my missing socks. That's why the occasional sock goes missing." Sure, I suppose it's possible, but not likely!

Again, I've never said that the accused is PROVEN never to have traced, because I don't think that's possible to prove. I'm saying the evidence here to prove they WERE tracing is so weak that it's very likely coincidence, and can be done with any two artists who draw similar subject matter even if they don't trace.

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

Ah, yeah. I was just curious if it was being taken into consideration, and I see that it has.

Still, this whole thing got crazy fast. O_O

[stormslegacy.livejournal.com]

The fact is, you can take ANY picture and find others that will fit line for line when stretched, even in just one direction. A few users proved that with the OP's art without even stretching anything. That's why it's not enough--there's reasonable doubt. Innocent until proven guilty, that kind of thing.

Could it happen? Yes. Does this mean we should publicly call out someone with such shaky evidence? No.

[sbneko.livejournal.com]

They could, but I doubt people would. Stretching almost always distort a picture badly, it makes things look off. People trace because they don't feel like they can draw on they're own, they think they're art is wrong. So it really wouldn't make sense to distort it to hide they're tracing.

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

It's possible, but the fact that Acorn distorted the images too is what makes everyone suspicious. If she knew that the artist was distorting the images, then why didn't she mention it before hand?

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

True, someone else mentioned this too. I see what the issue was now.

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

Oh wow. Yea, I don't know how you could "accidently" distort all of those to where they just happen to match up.

I've tried matching up most of these (the SWF ones anyawy), and the only one I could get to match without distorting was 3b, which was just a straight line anyway. There's some serious dishonesty here.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

There was never any dishonesty intended, which is why I retracted my allegations last night, WELL BEFORE anyone else created overlays. I realized that a few lines here and there weren't sufficient, thanks to all of the people who responded here.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

If you actually now admit these are probably not traced, that's fine. However, that's not why you stated you retracted before. You said you still thought they were traces then, you just "didn't want the drama".

But, I'm glad you've apologized to the artist for telling a bunch of people they traced, both here and in private.

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

It doesn't matter that you retracted. The fact that all the images are distorted in such a way to support your argument just screams that you tried to set this person up.

[ocelotish]

I realized that a few lines here and there weren't sufficient, thanks to all of the people who responded here.

No, you didn't. You kept telling me how deep down you believed that the artist was tracing and that it was dismissed out of bias, not flimsy evidence.

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

*accidentally

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Again, innocent until proven guilty. One or two of these I wonder how the distortion wasn't noticed, but most are somewhat subtle to the naked eye. Depending on the program it may be difficult to notice if the scaling feature is locking proportions or not. I double checked myself several times.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

I used Sai's transform tool. I don't think it has a locked proportions feature, which is what made it so difficult to size up/down.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Thank you acorn for making a complete apology. I know it's hard to do.

I hope you understand that I did not do these overlays to attack you, but because I actually do take tracing pretty seriously.

Once things settle down I only hope you feel a little better that your work is not likely being ripped by this person.

[oceandezignz.livejournal.com]

I thought something about #5 hurt my head. Now I know what.

All I can do is sigh heavily.