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[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

WHO:  Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom


WHERE:  http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).

WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".


WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.


As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.


These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]



Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]



Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg




Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg



Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg



Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]




Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.


Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.



As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.

Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg  [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg   [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.


Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.



Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg



http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

Comments

[ocelotish]

Sorry didn't see this. I did something similar: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/Celarania/Sample.jpg

Notice how the stomach, butt, and line of the inner leg all line up.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

acorn says the lines I arrowed don't line up "exactly" but they seem to line up as "Exactly" as most of the examples above (as in, not EXACTLY, just close.)

The overlays aren't exact either, plus the ones I looked at more closely, the images have to be resized and maybe rotated to "match".

[ocelotish]

Yeah, that was my point too. :) I was just pointing out the areas I thought were closest.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Sooo... tracing was redacted here because OP "doesn't want drama" but on FA it's cuz "A_B thinks it's okay to trace a little".

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

As I've said repeatedly, I didn't even want to write the A_B, and no, I don't want the drama. From what I gather, you guys say because the images had to be slightly rotated or resized, that means it doesn't count? Which makes no sense, personally. A smart person WOULD resize/rotate something they've traced to make it harder to catch.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

I don't know how to make it any clearer: I'm saying what you're seeing looks like pure coincidence to me. If you take two similar poses (NOT traced, just two pictures of women with similar body types, which is easy if both artists draw women a lot) and resize and rotate to make the waists match, then yes, that small part of the waist will match closely because you made it do so.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

But we aren't talking about just a close match, we're talking line for line, following the same curve up the waist and ribcage and down the hips in most of the images. I admit, at least three of them are changed enough that they don't follow closely, but many of them are line for line.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

... I really don't see any "line for line" except where you have forced a single curve or two to match by resizing/rotation? But the subtle anatomy bumps are different, work with the real picture better, etc.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

I feel that if it was only referenced or wasn't traced at all, that the hip to hip and stomach to back ratios would not be identical enough to match perfectly.

I can't force someone else to see it from my viewpoint, which is why I have tried to bow out of this conversation.

[ocelotish]

If you didn't want drama or you didn't want to continue this, you'd back down quietly, not talk about how a_b is excusing it! You may not be going out for drama, but obviously avoiding drama is less important to you than admitting that you might have made a mistake.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

I don't feel I've made a mistake, I personally feel they are traced. However, I can't change anyone elses opinions on it, so at this point it's pretty "eh whatever". There's nothing else I can do about it, and I am certainly not going to apologize or say I was wrong for something that I feel is true.

There's far too many examples, from people whom she's watching or has watched in the past for me to just throw it out the window based on this community's response.

While I may redact my statements here or elsewhere, it does not change my personal view on it. Too many lines match too perfectly, in my opinion.

[ocelotish]

Well, you could apologize for the way you've badmouthed this community for disagreeing with you! Your behavior in that regard has been extremely childish.

I'm not saying that you can't believe deep down that she traced, but that doesn't mean that it was the right choice to post this, to be angry with this community, or just dismiss our discussions as excusing it!

You may right about the tracing, even if I strongly disagree with you. What is wrong though is the way you've reacted to the people and community as a whole for disagreeing with you. We are artists, and while we have varying opinions, we are giving it our best judgement. Do you think that this artist has somehow managed to trick over half the people commenting? Do you doubt our ability to see what is traced or not traced? Or is it possible that your bias is informing you?

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Bow out if you insist, but it irks me you persist in repeating your misinterpretation of the majority opinion at your FA journal, that it "doesn't matter because it was changed enough" rather than what you will say to us directly, that we "have a difference of opinion, we don't think it was traced period"

[ocelotish]

If you didn't want drama you'd just admit that maybe you were wrong, or apologize, not be passive-aggressive towards this community.

From what I gather, you guys say because the images had to be slightly rotated or resized, that means it doesn't count?

I think I've said this very clearly before, but you don't seem to have understood. You have presented us with short segments lining up generally, but not exactly. These segments are from very vague general areas, as opposed to detailed, specific areas. First there's very little sense to tracing these areas (they're not very hard to draw in the first place), secondly, they are comparative easy to line up with simple scaling/rotation of a similar image. That is exactly what spiffystuff and I did with your art, with similar results. It was to show that there can be some overlap without any tracing or referencing whatsoever. On previous posts, there have been images that are scaled and frankensteined, and while there may be disagreement over how "wrong" that is, there is no disagreement over whether or not it happened. Here most people don't think it happened, even when scaled and rotated. Your evidence is not convincing due to a lack of similarity even when scaled and rotated.