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WHO:  Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom


WHERE:  http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).


WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".


WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.


As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.


These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]



Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]



Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg




Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg



Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg



Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]




Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.


Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.



As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.




Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg  [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg   [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.


Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.



Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg



http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

(frozen) Re: well

Date: 2011-11-28 12:23 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
That was my point, that hands are harder than hips. Your mission is to find someone with good hands and lousy hips.

(frozen) Re: well

Date: 2011-11-28 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schopenpanda.livejournal.com
my original point was that every artist has different problem-areas, but we got off topic.

hizzie, for example, can draw hands like a beast, but she has troubles with knees. my boyfriend can draw hands, but finds it difficult to draw more than just one body type.

i personally have troubles with elbows of all things.

(frozen) Re: well

Date: 2011-11-28 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schopenpanda.livejournal.com
all i was trying to say is that, sure.. bodies seem easy enough to draw, but maybe (in the case that kee actually was tracing) she had an issue achieving the body type that she wanted, you know?

(frozen) Re: well

Date: 2011-11-28 12:30 am (UTC)
ocelotish: A girl with an ocelot on her shoulders (Default)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
You also said that they might be having trouble with the torso several times. Now is your chance to prove it, against everything those drawing instructors I linked said. It's time to put up or shut up.

(frozen) Re: well

Date: 2011-11-28 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schopenpanda.livejournal.com
...how the fuck?


i'm just trying to say that everyone's different, and you're just hounding me for proof.

this isn't even a case against the validity of the overlays, here, and one of my drawings is even in one of them.

according to you, nobody in the history of EVER has had issues with torsos, waists, and hips.

(frozen) Re: well

Date: 2011-11-28 01:07 am (UTC)
ocelotish: Katara looking angry with the text "Bloodbender" (Katara - Bloodbender)
From: [personal profile] ocelotish
Your point was that maybe her hands, heads, and feet were fine enough but she had issue with her waist and torso more.

My point was that no, people don't have more trouble with torsos to the point of possibly tracing them (as is implied by your posts), but are good with their hands to the point where they are fine.

You only need to provide an example (one) of someone who is good at hands but rubbish at another major area, the torso particularly, and you are yet to provide me with a single example. If it's so easily proven because everyone is different, then prove it. It should not take long.

What I have provided you with is proof that the hands are consistently an area where artists mess up, it's time to provide the same.

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