[identity profile] naughtykitsune.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] artists_beware
Who: Shiroiyuki 

Where: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/shiroiyuki/

What: A full colored commission 

When: Going on for close to a year now

Explain: Well in October I was recommended by a friend to check out her art which I did and I brought a commission from her at the time because she was open and had reasonable prices. So she posted a journal (which she deleted) saying she was giving a special on pics for $25. this my transaction  http://imageshack.us/f/838/incidentone.jpg/

pg/) this is what i asked for http://imageshack.us/f/826/incident2.jpg/. So I brought a spot. She posted a journal right afterwards saying she was depressed and having an art block. I decided to wait because people have that problem. this was posted afterwards  http://imageshack.us/f/252/incident3.jpg/

In November I got tired of waiting and looked at her Commission Queue to my surprise my name wasn't there for a commission so I contacted her which went well and reasonable. So after a few days (again...) a new journal was posted saying she was taking new art and such. So then of course another journal posted about an art block. Later that week other people art was posted and still my name wasn't added to the queue. So I was fed up with it and filed a refund because I was tired of waiting and being ignored. So of course instead a well way to settle stuff in a mature manner I got a rage note saying "No I'm not refunding you your money its not my problem this was well hard earn money so don't give me the BS''. She made threats to me as well saying she was going to sue me.shown here  http://imageshack.us/f/545/incident5.jpg/ . Let me point out that I got no update on my art so I went to my bank who is set up with paypal and filed a dispute for my money back because I felt scammed and the fact my bank had a flag with her info . She later posted a journal calling me a rude uncalled for name and deleting it due to her getting raged at for speaking to her clients that way. Later along in the year she is posting pictures of stuff she buying and then writing journals later asking for money. This new year she has decided to start on people art but still has an attitude issue where is uses very rude language in her terms and commission queues. shown here (hhttp://imageshack.us/f/850/incident4.jpg/

Recently she has went MIA from her account with more people money she begged for a tablet and she has left her account without doing people art. shown here http://imageshack.us/f/600/scammerza.jpg/

She recently returned with pics of tattoos she has gotten along with a journal full of rage against those who were very unhappy with her taking too long and felt she used the commission money she owe to get the tattoos http://imageshack.us/f/268/rudeness.jpg/


This issue has been resolve. She has refunded my money so no need to comment here anymore.

Date: 2012-02-11 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slyminera.livejournal.com
Am I the only one who finds it rather suspicious she 'cleans' her Shout page weekly?

Date: 2012-02-17 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poizenkat.livejournal.com
I clean my shout page obsessively 8x

Date: 2012-02-11 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unicorn-magic.livejournal.com
I don't understand how her money is "hard earned" if she hasn't even started the work yet.

Date: 2012-02-11 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistresswolf.livejournal.com
That is exactly what I was thinking when I was reading this entry.

Date: 2012-02-12 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ukthewhitewolf.livejournal.com
I think, from reading the journals the OP screen capped, she means that the money she'd use to refund people is from a regular job ...? And she's spent the commission money on supplies for her rats and hamster (again from the screen capped journal).

I don't really get it either to be honest. :/
Though sadly it seems it's still not a generally given thing that you don't spend the money from commissions until the work is done so people seem to get themselves stuck when they spend the money and then take a long time to do the art and people ask for refunds.

However it is, beware well warranted and I certainly won't be commissioning this person. x__x

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Date: 2012-02-11 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scenceable.livejournal.com
It kind of gave me a headache reading her posts...especially that last journal. Her attitude comes off like her commissioners are all rich and tossing money around, and so don't deserve to be treated with respect. Like she's doing them a favour somehow, by taking the money and giving them nothing.

We all go through rough times, nobody has a perfect life. That doesn't excuse her taking people's money and treating them like that.

Buh -_- Beware well warranted.

Date: 2012-02-11 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaaralover85.livejournal.com
I'm sorry you had to go through this, this is exactly why i took her off my watchlist a few months back. Her attitude over everything, especially paying customers was appauling, and I just couldn't help but feel for those who kindheartedly helped her out when her "times were rough".

Beware very well warranted. I'm surprised no-one has spoken out sooner though.

Date: 2012-02-12 05:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kairi-koitra.livejournal.com
really? She's been spamming my fa shouts pretty much begging me to commission her.. Think i'll stay wary of her. I've ran into her in a few streams but thought it was just a fluke thing but hearing you say her attitude is also bad makes it clear I'll be avoiding commissioning her for work. Thanks.

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Date: 2012-02-11 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starinthegutter.livejournal.com
She displays the attitude of someone who hasn't worked a day in their lives. What terrible work ethic, the way she treats people who have paid for her to draw for them.

Date: 2012-02-11 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] genkigami.livejournal.com
I can't read any of your screenshots and Imageshack won't let me zoom in for some reason. Can you direct link to the images?

EDIT: Nevermind, figured it out. Noscript giving me lip.

Holy bezeejus her attitude is awful. She acts like a total child. Beware well deserved, she needs to grow up.
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Date: 2012-02-11 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cpro2001.livejournal.com
Beware well-warranted. Never going to commission her.

Date: 2012-04-24 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shukivengeance.livejournal.com
Is there a reason why this comment was screened?

Date: 2012-02-11 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] excessdenied0.livejournal.com
I read her TOS... Honestly, based on the wording of that alone I would never give her my money. This beware is so well warranted that it almost isn't needed. Yikes.

Date: 2012-02-12 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skittlewolf.livejournal.com
I went to take a look for myself and yeesh. Unprofessional ahoy!

Especially this bit:
Refunds
I will not give refunds. All money goes towards bills and other living expenses that are important to me. Unless you are in a financial emergency, you will not receive a refund from me. If you do have a financial emergency, I will try to refund you by replacing your slot. But there are still no guarantees. So please, DO NOT ask me for refunds, EVER. unless you truly need it I take a while to do my work, longer then other artists but I ALWAYS provide work, ask that for people that have commissioned me in the past.

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Refund.

Date: 2012-02-11 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mako-blues.livejournal.com
Would you like a refund? All you had to do was ask. ^^; Give me your paypal and I'll send you one.

Re: Refund.

Date: 2012-02-11 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mako-blues.livejournal.com
Of, and also... im sorry you had to wait this long. honestly I don't remember getting a commission from you :/ I really don't. Sometimes I forget and don't update my que. I can send you a refund ASAP plus a bit extra for your troubles. I really am sorry :(

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Re: Refund.

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Re: Refund.

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Date: 2012-02-12 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dilario.livejournal.com
I'm not excusing the artist's behavior and this may be very minor, but you commissioned her in october 2011? It's now february, which is 5 months time delay, not "close to a year now".

Date: 2012-02-12 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sigilgoat.livejournal.com
She's changing her TOS as we speak, so perhaps this was a good lesson? Please let us know of any updates, OP!

Date: 2012-02-12 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skittlewolf.livejournal.com
I hope so. It's very...aggressive.

Date: 2012-02-12 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zackfig.livejournal.com
sweet mother of god, i'd not touch that artist with a 10 ft pole

Date: 2012-02-12 12:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ocelotish
Wow... that attitude is sickening. *shakes head*

What bothers me the most is the way the artist is blaming their commissioners for wanting a refund when their art isn't delivered. It is not their hard earned money, it's the commissioner's. What they want to spend it on is their own damn business. I've never seen an artist feel so entitled to a commissioner's money when they aren't doing the work. The artist's financial situation is not their customer's business, let alone their responsibility!

I am glad that the artist seems receptive to change, but this beware is very valid, and I certainly wouldn't commission them for a very long time!

Date: 2012-02-12 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spiritlobo.livejournal.com
Wow, what disgusting behavior.
Never touching this artist--not with a 20 foot poll.

I'm so sorry you had to go through this, OP.
Edited Date: 2012-02-12 01:05 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-02-12 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryunwoofie.livejournal.com
That's truly unfortunate, and very disrespectful. I truly hope they do learn from this and try to better themselves. Very bad attitude, especially the 'hard earned' bit. :\

Date: 2012-02-12 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zackfig.livejournal.com
The asspats on her new journal bother me for some reason...

Date: 2012-02-12 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadaramy.livejournal.com
I'm surprised she wasn't posted on here sooner honestly. Her behavior is very unprofessional. I hope she will learn from this.

Date: 2012-02-12 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magusmanx.livejournal.com
Oh goodness. Just reading her journal it's given me several people to blacklist. A_B is not for people to whine, it's for people to warn others of people with shoddy or shady business practices. Artists are people. They aren't gods. They make mistakes, and some can be downright awful people. Artists are a business. They get reviews just like every other business out there.

Date: 2012-02-12 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lackoflollies.livejournal.com
A_B is just evil because how DARE we challenge the morals of their porn providers. 9_6

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Date: 2012-02-12 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puritikoneko.livejournal.com
Yeah...

People are always very quick to point the finger at someone else until THEY'RE the ones being burned by a transaction of some sort (Referring to the comments her watchers are leaving on her journal).

I'm really not sure who to be more disgusted with at this point- her and her shoddy attitude and business practices, or her watchers who think that "just because she's a talented artist she can walk all over the people who pay her to do a job". It never ceases to amaze me how people can look past someone's wrong-doings just because they can draw. :\ Why is it so damned difficult to put yourself in someone else's shoes for two freakin' seconds instead of lashing out and making whiny, childish journals and leave comments about something that has absolutely nothing to do with you?

I was going to give her props for changing her TOS to accommodate customers who wanted refunds, but after seeing the way she's attempted to make the unsatisfied customer the bad guy in her latest journal, I've changed my mind. I think both her AND some of her watchers have some growing up to do.

From the looks of it, instead of trying to resolve the issue in a way that would make her look, you know, professional, she's trying to get the OP to take down the post to "avoid being hammered by more rude comments".
Edited Date: 2012-02-12 03:13 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-02-12 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] otherscape.livejournal.com
This.

"just because she's a talented artist she can walk all over the people who pay her to do a job"

If she did this sort of thing with a professional client like a company, you can bet they'll fire her and probably try to get their money back if she was paid in advance. Just because some of her watchers claim she's a "professional", doesn't actually mean she's a professional.

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Date: 2012-02-12 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mgsfriedchicken.livejournal.com
Wow, glad this was resolved but GODDAMN her attitude is awful! Not commissioning even if I had a million dollars.

Date: 2012-02-12 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anjel-kitty.livejournal.com
And.... FA is down again. Glad I left that website.

Her attitude is pretty terrible from start to finish on here. I think her beware is established even if she finally sent you a refund.

Date: 2012-02-12 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marus-puppy.livejournal.com
The outage was planned due to some issues they've been having for several weeks. Still totally obnoxious and it's a pain to check up on these journals and such. :/

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I meant to say Tumblr

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Date: 2012-04-24 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kairi-koitra.livejournal.com
Just an update on this person shes recently switched accounts and is now using http://www.furaffinity.net/user/ladykoraki

Date: 2012-04-24 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shukivengeance.livejournal.com
Thanks for the info, artist's tag has been updated.

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