Hoo boy

[lemonfruitpie.livejournal.com]

:/ I found this photobucket with a massive amount of furry artist's works and already in just the first few pages, there's pictures:

by huskie666: 1,2

of silverfolfen by keihound: 1

by ailurophile: 1

by Golden Wolf:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,

by Kacey M: 1 2,3

I don't think the artists/owners were asked about this, so please take a moment to check this bucket if you're an artist. I'm tring to go through it right now, and to contact everyone who's stuff was taken...but I doubt I'll catch everything.

:/ best of luck

x-posted most everywhere I can think of that'll help with this.

EDIT: If you know any of these artists, please try to contact them! It's too big of a job for me to do alone, I must say (I have only contacted huskie, Tania Walker, and Mid so far). Thank you.

Contacted artist list under cut: (a big thanks to everyone who helped! Especially thaily<3)

Huskie
Tania Walker
Erin Middendorf
Zinagod
Wereguitar
Dawnbest.com
J Willard (soappuppy.com)
Opal Weasel
Erin Hughes
Matthew J. Johnson (zencavern.com
Mink
Adri M
Kacey M
Yvie Schroeder
Kat Payne
Chris Sawyer
Tanuki-studio.com
Ursula Vernon
Adnama
Megawolf77
Jessica Jass
Jasmine Andrews
Zetallis
Latinvixen
xsydx
Sheryn Brown
Seraph
Christina Godek
Pseudo Manitou
Katie (shadowolf)
E. Ortega
Backbreaker studio
Jessica M. Sanders
Tanidareal
Sidian
Hollyann
Razerz
Beth Gladstone
Swandog
Allie Manydeeds
Aura Moser
Megan Giles
Goldenwolf (and Dark Natasha)
Nimrais
Vilani
Jaybee
Silverblue
Arphalia
Bridget E. Wilde
Diana Montoya
Shinigami girl

Comments

[joecifur.livejournal.com]

Did I miss something? Is she claiming to have drawn the pictures herself? Pretending to be those folks?

So you're not allowed to upload a picture you find to your own webspace to show people anymore? It's not even really a gallery, just a photobucket, which is pretty much just a poor man's ftp. She didn't even remove people's watermarks and signatures, and I'm not seeing an outpouring of stuff stamped DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE OMG' on there -- though I didn't look at it all, so I might've missed it. How's this any different from a *chan? Shrug. Looks like free advertising to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I just don't see why this is artists_beware or a big deal at all. The artists names are on the pictures. Worst case, post it and say hey, someone's posting a lot of furry art, if you don't like your stuff reposted go check.

[lomaprieta.livejournal.com]

It's illegal. It's a copyright violation. I don't see why it's artists_beware either, but no, no one has the right to copy and distribute someone else's work, as long as that work is protected by copyright. It's most certainly not okay unless the author of the work has given permission.

Just because it's not hurting anyone doesn't mean it's a violation of their rights.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=2150.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch15
Really, I saw that in under a minute, so who knows what else is in there.

And a lot of people just don't want their art reposted randomly even if they don't put watermarks on the art stating as much.
Personally I don't mind if there's a link back, but it doesn't look like this guy is linking anywhere or has asked permission. So it's the polite thing to do to let the artists in question know and let them take care of it as they see fit since it's their opinion that matters and not yours.

[dunaerin.livejournal.com]

Do you have proof their claiming them as their own? >

[lemonfruitpie.livejournal.com]

It's not a matter of them claiming the art as their own, but rather that the art was reposted without permission it seems. I know it may not seem like a big deal to many people, but there are some people who care about keeping track of where their art is :O

[mazz.livejournal.com]

If she isn't claiming them as her own photobucket isn't going to remove them. There is nothing wrong with having someone elses art saved somewhere to look at or posting it on photobucket if the user isn't claiminig it as their own.

[kaputotter.livejournal.com]

This is incorrect, as lomaprieta made her point, an accurate one.

Redistribution of artists' images without their permission are a violation of copyright law. This means that even if this person is not claiming the work as her own, she's violating copyright by uploading them elsewhere herself. That's the law.

Personally, I don't think this is a "big deal" myself; but for people like Goldenwolf and Huskie who have to deal with art theft on a regular basis, I guess I can see them wanting to know about it.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Don't fool yourself.
Photobucket will delete any submissions that enfringe on people's intellectual rights, they're not going to run the risk of legal action being taken against them for a free service. Same goes for other free services like Homestead and Geocities.

[kowe]

I don't see how that really is something to post to artists_beware about, because I do the same thing. I save artists' works that I like in my photobucket, and when I use those pictures I make sure I credit the artists in question.

I honestly think you're making a big deal out of nothing. How is it a copyright violation if someone shows someone else's art off and gives the credit where it's due?

Prove to me where in copyright laws it says it's illegal to distribute work with the proper accreditation given. This I'd like to see.

[kaputotter.livejournal.com]

See my answer. (http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/108230.html?thread=2145990#t2145990)

Current copyright law is such that a person must ask permission first before redistributing artwork, and yes, that does include with proper accreditation. Even if an artist is credited, if she doesn't want her work uploaded somewhere else by a third party, it is within her rights to ask for it to be taken down. Again: that's the law.

[dragonrift.livejournal.com]

The pieces all have their original copyrighted signatures on them, and it doesn't look as if the user is claiming the works as his/her own, therefore I honestly cannot see any TRUE harm in this. The artists are still credited for the work, and it's really no different than being displayed on a VCL gallery.

*shrug* I say, just as long as the art isn't altered, and the owner's name isn't removed, this isn't as horrible as it COULD have been. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

"The pieces all have their original copyrighted signatures on them"

Funny, when I compared some of the pieces I noticed that several images have had the signature removed.
And the difference with VCL is that the copyrightholder him/herself uploads them there so they're not illegally redistributed. Your opinion is a moot point, the law is very clear about unauthorized reproduction.

[ryokokitty.livejournal.com]

As far as my artwork (Kacey Miyagami) being displayed through this photobucket site, since it is not altered and it has my watermark on it, I have no problems with it. Heck, its free advertising =)

But I know a lot of artists who would rather their work remain on their websites or galleries... and I used to be the same way, so I can understand that.

I think this is more a notice to let the artists know where their art is should they want it removed, or not - though I think it may be inappropriate as a topic for this particular community, based on the posting rules and how I understand them.

[filthy-animal.livejournal.com]

Lol, if you don't want your artwork thrown into things like this, DON'T PUT YOUR ART UP ON THE INTERNET. :D

This is simple logic, people!

[kaputotter.livejournal.com]

It's just not that simple, I'm afraid; personally, I'm glad this law is in place, because it's very useful. It may not make very much sense to you right now, but we sure would MISS IT if it were GONE.

For example: I would feel sorry for an artist whose reputation is ruined because she draws children's book illustrations that were posted on a pornographic website because the owner of the porn site has a vendetta against the children's book artist. This is totally a flight-of-fancy scenario, but ONLY because we have these laws to protect us!

What if credit is given to the artist? What if the copyright's still on there? The porn site owner has done everything else to protect the copyright, gee! :) but the porn site owner sure can still publish the work if he wants to on his porn site! Boy, that would SUCK, wouldn't it!


But if we didn't have the right to ask for the image to be taken down? We'd be screwed. I'd say an artist should have the chance to upload her work wherever she likes, with the power to ask for it to be removed when she feels it's neccessary. Notice that there's no drama in this thread yet, this is a discussion of facts.

Know the law; defend your rights. Nobody else will do it for you.


I know I'm totally going off on you for just making a small comment, but I had to take the opportunity to offer my opinion.

[fierycatthing.livejournal.com]

So upon doing a little bit of research...
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Copyright_Act_of_1976#Fair_use
http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RL31423.pdf (see bottom of page 12 and on)

So far, the only really defined issue of "Fair use" in regards to images on the internet is that thumbnails are considered fair use. Some court cases have found that public internet storage is copyright infringement, but I do not see a defined copyright law in those regards yet. So I'm not sure what exactly the photobucket gallery would fall under. Though I am not the best at reading legal mumbo-jumbo, so I may very well have missed something.

The main problem is that there is a very clear line when referring to actual publication of copyrighted material, but a very thin line regarding internet publication of copyrighted material.

However, by personal standards I see nothing wrong with it. The images have not been altered, contain original signatures and other notices, and I do not see anywhere where they are claiming the images as their own. It looks like they even have the original file names. But it really is up to the original artist and how they feel about it.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

"The images have not been altered, contain original signatures and other notices"

Several images have had their signatures removed and the "original notices" of several images state that the artist doesn't want them re-distributed.

[gothwings.livejournal.com]

I think the only real problems would be if the owner of the gallery is claiming the images to be their own and/or printing copies of those images.

Apart from that it looks like an art dump. It could be that the owner of the bucket isn't 'out of the closet' about their appreciation of furry art, in which case they're keeping things online rather than a home pc.

As far as I can tell, this isn't a problem, if anything it's advertisement for the artist's work shown there. That said, I do not condone this sort of activity unless permission has been gained from the artist responsible for the images.

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

Then why isn't the photobucket private? Also "out of the closet"? Furry art is not a sexual preference. If it is then we're exposing our children to all kinds of porn everytime we buy them a toy with an anthroised animal/creature on it. =P

Not to add to the pile-on of comments here but...

[sephir07h.livejournal.com]

I'll go with the general consensus here; "I don't see much of a problem unless she's claiming the artwork to be her own." It's good that you meant well, but eh. Nothing is wrong over there.

[katsuki.livejournal.com]

Haven't heard the debate on this, don't have time to read it...

But this REALLY looks like deadrabbit's style. Evelyn ... er Ortega I think. http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=Naobi.jpg&refPage=24&imgAnch=imgAnch39

'deadrabbit' is her deviantart name you can find her there.

[clockworkgh0st.livejournal.com]

well...one of my pieces is on there.
however, i don't mind, as it is unaltered and still has my watermark on it.

[the-snappy-wolf.livejournal.com]

I upload lots of things on my photobucket because I have an old, unreliable computer, and I don't want to loose all the things I've saved. Most of them are reference pictures and the like. I don't really see the problem, I don't redistribute them, I Just use them for references, that and my PB is private so you can't just randomly stumble upon it and start viewing things.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

st of all, redistributing without permission is a violation of copyright.
The moment someone creates an original work they own the copyright to it, the copy-right, these people have copied it into a photobucket

account without permission and if Photobucket doesn't remove the images upon the copyright holder's request they are in violation too.

Don't ask the 101 people who will tell you this to prove they're right, get off your lazy ass and Google for copyright laws yourself and

prove us wrong if you can.
And besides, going against the wishes of artists is rude. Several of these images explicity mention that they are not to be

redistributed without permission. Is it to be expected people will do it anyway? Yes. Does that make it okay? No.
I understand not every can/wants to take the time to sift through the archive and contact the artists in question, but if you

can't/won't there's not really a reason to comment at all, thanks.

Kei
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=Shayde__for____Shayde_x3.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch4

Erin Middendorf - contacted
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=bdayvixn.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch7
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=erinm-cute.gif&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch8
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=snugcomic.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch10
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=22673.jpg&refPage=24&imgAnch=imgAnch25
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=22672.jpg&refPage=48&imgAnch=imgAnch66
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=oCefirepoi.jpg&refPage=144&imgAnch=imgAnch150

Dawnbest.com - contacted
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=yourlast.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch9

Backbreaker studio - contacted
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=2150.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch15
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=574.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch19
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=120.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch18
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=575.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch24
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=129.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch21
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=135.jpg&refPage=24&imgAnch=imgAnch29

Bernal
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=2209.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch23

[thaily.livejournal.com]

J Willard (soappuppy.com) - contacted
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=628.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch13
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=21893.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch22
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-paint.jpg&refPage=48&imgAnch=imgAnch64
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-jedi.jpg&refPage=48&imgAnch=imgAnch63
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-scenery.jpg&refPage=48&imgAnch=imgAnch62
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-wdance.jpg&refPage=48&imgAnch=imgAnch61
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=husjie.jpg&refPage=72&imgAnch=imgAnch76
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=3363.jpg&refPage=72&imgAnch=imgAnch73
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-charm.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch288
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-cedfx.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch287
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-catch.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch286
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-bunny.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch285
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-bath.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch281
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-bhuntr.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch282
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-bigwf.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch283
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-bsteal.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch284
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-andre.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch280
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-abakn.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch279
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-2slave.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch278
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-jack.jpg&refPage=264&imgAnch=imgAnch277
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-oball.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch312
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-nmare.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch311
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-ninja.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch310
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-nibbl.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch309
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-muske.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch308
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-mount.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch307
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-mom.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch306
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-mlion.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch305
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-lspam.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch301
http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g288/HighlyScentedMarkers/anime/furs/?action=view¤t=jw-macro.jpg&refPage=288&imgAnch=imgAnch302

[kobi-lacroix.livejournal.com]

I see this person has reposted one of my pieces, no less one featuring me with my significant other. I'll definitely be talking to him about it. If it was anything else, I would probably leave it alone. I'm not making money off it, and nobody knows who I am, anyway.

That being said, what this person is doing is technically illegal, so if your art was up there and you demanded it be taken down, then you'd be in the right. Also, the promise of "free publicity" is total bunk. This is a scam that some businesses use to lure naive artists into things like logo design contests or "spec" work, or anything involving creating art for free. If they even give you credit for the art, the "publicity" you get is usually either negligible, because nobody cares who did the art, or negative, because it gives you a reputation as an artist who'll work for free.

That's just my opinion, though.

[thaily.livejournal.com]

And oh, to the nice "helpful" people who think that this post has no place here; not only did a number of the pieces explicity mention that the copyright holder didn't -want- them reposted but a number of images have been edited to remove the artists' signatures!

Look before you bitch.

[littlenightmare.livejournal.com]

Well you could have posted these instead of telling people that they are in there without showing examples. Not everyone is going to want to dig around in there looking for those specific ones. :P

Either way, I'm with those that don't really care. If my art is somewhere else, then yay someone likes my stuff. But that's just me, and I hope that everyone that doesn't want thier's up can get it down.

Photobucket and copyright

[thaily.livejournal.com]

From their TOS:



By using the Services you agree that you will not:

3.

Upload, email or otherwise transmit any User Content that you do not have the lawful right to transmit (including any User Content that would violate any confidentiality or fiduciary obligations that you might have with respect to the content) or any User Content that infringes the intellectual or proprietary rights of any third party (including, but not limited to, copyright, trademark, service mark or patent rights) including but not limited to derivative works of such content, defacement of such content, or User Content that would violate the right of privacy or publicity of any public or non-public persons;

From their FAQ:
Q: Someone has taken some of my images without my permission. What do I do?
A: Our policy is based on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (DMCA). Please see the Copyright Infringement section of our Terms of Service for details.

About copyright:
http://photobucket.com/terms.php#copyright

Report it here, select "abuse" in the drop-down box:
http://photobucket.com/feedback.php

[zoom-gas.livejournal.com]

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Hi drama_awesome, slow week?

[chimera-synx.livejournal.com]

Eh, some people take this stuff way to seriously. Don't get me wrong, if watermarks are removed then yeah, that's a problem. Otherwise, the general idea isn't so bad. As long as no ones altering my art I'm happy and grateful if anyone looks at it, regardless of where it is.

I did start art to show the weird shit in my head to other people after all, wouldn't something like this just speed that process up? =D

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

That's your opinion. Please remember that not everyone shares that opinion.