Mod Post: Shouts and other beware-ee contact

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Due to the excessive posting on Cashoo's page by both involved and outside parties, we A_B mods have had to give several warnings. One of these was a warning to someone who was a customer who made an A_B post about Cashoo.

This was an exceedingly rare and unique circumstance. We mods generally encourage contact between parties in a transaction. However, if a comment is harassing, or if it expressly mentions Artists_Beware, that is a problem.

LiveJournal has certain rules about use of its website for harassment. While we mods try very hard to prevent others from using Artists_Beware as a means for harassment, some people still see our community as such. Therefore, we want to keep mention of our site on beware-ees' pages minimal-to-none. This includes comments made by someone who actually has legitimate business with that person.

We understand that we have not made the above clear in our rules, and will endeavor to correct that shortly. We have not given any "official" warnings just for mentioning Artist_Beware.

And as always, harassment of any kind by anyone (whether you have business with this person or not) is not allowed. Period. Don't do it.

Interpretation of what is harassment is up to the moderators. It is not always black and white and we have to make the call based on the current situation. When in doubt, just don't post on the beware-ee's page. It's that simple.

Those wishing to discuss this issue are welcome to do so here.

Comments

[theredangel.livejournal.com]

How are potential customers (people who are about to be scammed,) going to know about her horrible track record unless people voice their disgust on her pages?

For that matter.. how are people going to find out what and how useful A_B is unless they stumble upon a mention of it on someone like Pirate's page? That's how I got here in the beginning, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

I don't like trolling/harassing.. but in this specific case I think it's warranted. People are going to continue to lose money if something isn't said.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Protecting our community trumps whatever people think they are accomplishing by posting on Cashoo's page. I can see your point about wanting to warn others, but that is not the way to go about it.

As for spreading the word about Artists-Beware, why not post about it in your own personal journals, and encourage others to do so? That is not only allowed, it is encouraged.

[theredangel.livejournal.com]

I can do that, but I'm more than certain my own pages don't get enough traffic to be an effective form of prevention.

I completely support the policies of A_B, and appreciate this community and it's service to artists and commissioners alike, however.. from what I've seen.. most artists/commissioners who are called out on their behaviour here are concerned about their reputation. Thanks to the A_B post, they work to resolve whatever situation they are in, or they at least learn a lesson. Pirate doesn't appear to be concerned at all.

Yes, I am aware there are a few people who get posted continuously here.. but I haven't seen a problem the size of Pirate in a long time. It's her willingness to continue to scam people that concerns me, and causes me to support unhappy posts on her various pages as warnings to anyone not interested in researching an artist and only sees pretty art and an artist full of false promises and lies.


Please note that I have not posted on her pages and do not plan to. I am only asking questions/discussing.

[neolucky.livejournal.com]

All of the above can be done privately, in private notes, emails and webpages. There is absolutely no reason to go storming onto an offending persons page and shout publicly about there issues on AB. None.

With how many outlets there are to share information, I'd think Cashoos abandoned DA page is the worst option. I'm all for letting the world know about scammers, but in a smart mature sort of way. Not flailing about on someones personal art-page hoping to garner attention. It looks bad for all of us in this community, and it also brings a sense of harassment.

If someone needs to contact another shown here or their clients, then they can do it privately. Doing it publicly creates a mob mentality and doesn't do anything to help the situation.

[theredangel.livejournal.com]

I agree. I just wish there were a more.. loud.. way to get the word out about her so that she can't scam anyone else. I feel really bad for anyone who's lost money on her.

Your icon is adorable. ^^

[houndofloki.livejournal.com]

Her DA actually isn't abandoned (she still favorites art fairly regularly on it - the most recent was yesterday) . She's banned from FA, there's no indication she still checks Asana, and not everyone has a Hentai Foundation account.

I don't think I'm storming anywhere or "flailing about" by posting a shout on her only remaining active page reminding her of a deadline and asking for contact. It's the only way I have managed to get responses form her thus far. Emails and private notes are completely (and repeatedly) ignored.

[sigilgoat.livejournal.com]

Your comment is coming off as out of context for this post and this thread.

This is about members of the community posting links to Cashoo's A_B page with very aggressive language that could very well be viewed as harassment.

We have never had an issue with a customer responsibly leaving a shout on anyone's page in regards to their commission.

[oceandezignz.livejournal.com]

This website (LJ) has a harassment policy, that A_B abides by strictly. And every member we've warned to NOT post on Cashoo's page is essentially breaking that policy by using A_B as the source of their "disgust".

This puts A_B in the postion of being labeled an attack dog site and subsequently shut down. And if we were, we wouldn't exactly be useful to anyone anymore.

And its no one else's business to be talking on Cashoo's page BUT previous burned clients, but at this rate even that isn't wise anymore.

There are ways to talk to people about Cashoo and her behavior without everyone and their corgi squatting her page like they are, no one is simply USING those ways and its potentially putting our comm in danger.