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[rosequoll.livejournal.com]

I've got to make my first post here, because I'm bluntly appalled at the nerve of someone that I've been dealing with tonight.

I was offered a 1GB CompactFlash card (Lexar, good quality) by mix_hyenataur in exchange for some fursuit items. He claimed that the card was worth over $100-170 and that he wanted a trade equal to that amount with a discount. I looked up the cost online and I can currently purchase that *exact card* for $95, which I informed him, and offered him $115 worth of fursuit items and free shipping in trade for the card, which I think is more than generous.

I was told that I only cared about myself, that I should appreciate the "thought that counts" and that I wasn't losing money so why should it matter.

Just a warning, to any professional artists out there or people who run respectable businesses. I'm going to suggest steering far clear of this guy. He obviously does not respect the work that goes into what we do, and feels that he should get more than he's "paying" for.

Not worth the time, so there's a warning in advance for you.

Edit: I should add that he told me I charged too much (which in honesty, I charge less than or equal to most, and it works out to a horrible hourly rate, honestly) and that if he made the offer to anyone else they'd appreciate his generosity and jump at the offer.

=/

Comments

[fierycatthing.livejournal.com]

Augh, that's horrible. I saw your post about that offer, you were being far more than generous, I honestly wish I could have taken you up on it.

And on a slightly different note, it's not the "thought that counts" when it comes to business. Business is business, it is not personal, and he had no right to complain or tell you how he feels about your prices. If he doesn't like them, then he could move on and find someone else. But the fact is, your prices for fursuit pieces are very fair for the quality you work at.

~RedFeather

[growly.livejournal.com]

YES! I agree wholeheartedly. I have people wanting discounts on my stuff because they talked to me one time on AIM. o_O Or they act like you owe it to them and thinking you're best buddies or something.
It's kind of frustrating, especially when your business is your chief source of income.

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

He's also the guy that refuses to let artists sign their work. He will demand you remove your signature from your art if he is to buy it. It's really weird.

I've seen him interact with others online...I say, steer clear.

[rosequoll.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I realized after the first e-mail he sent me who he was and was like "oh snap, this isn't going to be pleasant".

I've basically told him to kindly "bugger off" and leave me be, and that I don't appreciate his self rightous attitude. A bit over the top for me, but he really rubbed my fur the wrong way.

[wyna-hiros.livejournal.com]

You offered items/service that was more than the card's price. I don't see where he has any room to talk.

Is this the same guy who bitched about artists daring to sign their work?

[rosequoll.livejournal.com]

Yes, same guy. And I'm really weirded out. He thinks that because he bought the card two years ago for more money that he can try to get me to give him equal value to what he spent then??

Oi. -.-

[shinmaxwell.livejournal.com]

I never have liked this guy. I'd steer clear for sure.

as for you...you were being far more than generous...seriously..

[armaina.livejournal.com]

Pfft you're not loosing any money? yeah right. Because you know, obviously you make fabric, foam and other material appear out of thin air *rolls eyes*
I've seen a lot of his posts, and honestly, I don't trust him. (I also think this sob story (http://www.livejournal.com/community/artists_beware/55760.html) is an utter lie, and ploy to get people to feel sorry for him. >_>)
he also seems to go around trying to befriend very talented artists in an attempt to get free art.

Also, side note
does anyone knoe if he actually MADE an icon for the icon exchange a while back? He never did show proof of it >_>

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

If YOU are so concerned about THAT icon, do the investigation by emailing the chap. You are accusing/implying that I am a liar and a theif on that behalf.

"(I also think this sob story is an utter lie, and ploy to get people to feel sorry for him. >_>)"

Reasearch it if you're in doubt, don't accuse me.

[neo53.livejournal.com]

laughs~ You people need to read his recient LJ post. Its about the cards he offered to Rose Quoll...and at the bottom of his post, he hs the nerve [or should I say stupidity] to say the following...

"(Now 'as trade' cuz I figure no one else knows about the 'always give more than you get' rule other than me. Just stating, no offense

~rolls around on the floor~ OH PLEASE!

[rosequoll.livejournal.com]

(off topic but I love your character design. It is great and makes me unexplainably happy. I just thought you should know. I think it's the spots and the snaggle-tooth)

And yeah, he originally e-mailed me and just plain offered it to me, no mention of a trade or anything. I thought this was weird, so I kinda poked it along, offering thank you art (and if he had been for real, it wouldn' have been a cheapo 20 minutes sketch either, but that's besides the point), and then he freaked at me. Amusing, and even moreso...

creepy. Slightly...offkilter I'd say.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

I paid $200 for the card back then. I'm not going to let this slide for $95 when your work is the same as other top artists and a bit overpriced by my veiws.

I work 20 hours for $95. 40 for $200.

Buy it somewhere else then. I will buy less costly fursuit stuff as well from others.

oh gawd, you seriously are going to whine about this publicly.

You bitched me out when i asked for more than 'gift art' in the beginning, asking for a mere friendship and a paws/tail commishion later on when I'm feeling less ill.

I'm not hassling you. Matter of fact, i was trying to help you out in the beginning. You're just being a snob, thinking you are better.

Drop the attitude, because I don't have one at my end.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

The link to your website in that entry was broken, so I don't know what your art or fursuits is like. I've never heard of you. So that's why I rated you with the general moderation of a price/quality range.

No offense.

[moonstone-wind.livejournal.com]

ugh some people kicks em

[noble-reloaded.livejournal.com]

oh moonstone, u got those strong back legs ;) i just want to TICKLE EHHEE :) hows it going hun :)

[filthy-animal.livejournal.com]

Not the first time they've been featured. In fact, scroll down in this community a post or three, they made an entry where I responded about them being featured here before, only to get snappy remarks. The comments were removed later, but I saved the html file for it before that happened, if you're interested.

Edit Nevermind, the whole string of responses was removed. But either way, I still have it. What a riot that they think artsists shouldn't sign their work. :P

[filthy-animal.livejournal.com]

artists*

Fucking damn, I'm NOT typing correctly tonight. XD;; Sorry.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

What was going in my mind and heart was something that I paid $200 for... trying to help someone out and get about the same in return.

I worked 40 hours for that $200. She may work less and ask for the same price for $50 or less in materials, 'book valuing' my offer, but I think that it's unfair.

I really don't give a shit about what others have to say about my opinion and moral on that, it's my veiw.

So don't reply.

I'm done here.

[tenna.livejournal.com]

I cannot believe you truly expect to get your original 200 dollars back. Things decrease in value; you aren't GOING to get the original amount of money paid.

Anyone who WOULD spend 200 bucks on something they can get for 95 would be an idiot. And you're the same for expecting someone to do so.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

"...that I should appreciate the "thought that counts" and that I wasn't losing money so why should it matter."

I am losing money as well, hun, due to your 'book value' deals.

i was trying to be respectful on both ends.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

I'm truly sorry about all of this. *sigh*

[silver-huskey.livejournal.com]

*Makes a somewhat flippant gesture towards the said problem.* I wouldn't worry about it. Thank goodness you didn't except his offer and cut the deal off before it proceeded any further. Other than being rubbed the wrong way, no harm has been done. Furthermore, you have every right to post this entry. Seems this Mix fellow is rather popular around here. ^_^;

Anyway, if he claims that anyone else would jump at the offer, then let him try to find those people. More than likely, no one is going to pay more than the market price for that card. (Cars aren't the only things that decrease in value with time!) Or maybe he'll get lucky and find some chump. Either way it's no longer your problem, and you've done your fair share by warning others. ;)

[yaochi.livejournal.com]

Folks, I don't think this fellow gets it.

I am not sure he is capable of getting it.

Might as well let the arguments fade away.

[filthy-animal.livejournal.com]

Your icon makes me smile. :3 So cute!

[rip-sama.livejournal.com]

I agree with yaochi.

But seriously, this has to be the 3rd (4th? More?) post made about this individual...obviously his reputation isn't good, and whenever a post is made, a flamewar insues. Obviously the community deserves to be aware of this individual, but do we really require the battle? I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset, but why not consider the option of removing the problem individual from the community? He's already an issue and a source of frustration/anger for what's probably 3/4's of the art community, so why allow it to just be made worse by allowing him to stay and cause an even LARGER ruckus?

Because you KNOW we're going to hear their name again.
And you KNOW the exact same back-and-forth is going to go on.

The point of the community is to warn other artists, yes? I can understand someone having the right to defend themselves, but by this point, is that really helping anything? So many people dislike this person, that ANY response made by them is a match being thrown into a haystack. Instant raging inferno.

Just my 2cents.

[acrimonius.livejournal.com]

Seconding this, as well, but it may have been better had it been e-mailed to the mods. Posting it in public is a double-edged sword, especially considering the, um, topic of discussion is incapable of dealing with criticism of any breed in a mature manner.

[xodiac.livejournal.com]

Sounds like you made the right decision. Be glad you figured out this guy's glitch before any trade proceeded further.

An item has two values: sentimental and market. An heirloom might be worth only a few bucks objectively, but to you it's priceless because it was given to you by your grandmother on your third birthday. So, market value small, sentimental value high.

But most things have little sentimental value. And objectively, almost everything goes down in value once it's off the store shelves. Heck, once it's made. A piece of electronics is only the most obvious example. (Well, that and cars.) Nobody should expect to resell an item at the same price they bought it at (or more) unless that thing is somehow collectible. A baseball card might have cost less than a buck ($3 for a pack of six is I think the going rate of an unopened pack of random cards) but if you get a good one it can be worth big money.

But a memory card is not a baseball card. It is not collectible. Trying to sell it for the same price it was bought at is just not going to happen, no matter how hard the person worked for that initial money.

If Mix wants to sell it for $200, then he has a high sentimental value for it. But Rose doesn't, and shouldn't. She has no reason to.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

There ya go. The root of this problem:

Sentimental Value vs. Market Value.

E.g. i value my hard-worked money over devalue over time: Sentimental Value.
Rose doesn't.

Any reason why this thread should be here?

[synchra.livejournal.com]

goddamn... YOU DO NOT charge too much, especially for the Qulity you give! >.< that is lame... he should've been ecstatic to take that offer! I know I would've been.. but i also wouldn've have lied about the price in the first place. alkjdnsandkajnsfkna. goddamn some people make me feel so angry.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

Mods:

"lied about the price"

He just interjected a lie that he just made up. Why doesn't that count against him? It looks bad on me because then EVERYONE beleives it to be true from the beginning!

It's like we are all playing 'Telephone' here...

...this game REALLY sucks.

[tania.livejournal.com]

The simple fact of the matter is that any item for sale is worth what people are prepared to pay for it.

Rose wasn't prepared to pay (or work to the value of) that much for an item she could get far cheaper on the internet. That's her right both as an artist and as a free human being. She doesn't owe anyone any discounts. To lash out at her for that was unreasonable.

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

I was replying in part to her 'discount' that was being offered, hoping I could get in part. She didn't seem interested because I didn't fill her quota. I was disapointed because I was trying to help her out on my end, and she refused the discount at first because I didn't ofer her a camera as well.

"You're CF card only balanced the total price out to an even hundred. The deal was for the whole package."

...which was never stated in the original description.

[tania.livejournal.com]

I'm not going to make a seperate post for this, because it'll only give rise to more Drama:

Guys? Let it go. You're not going to agree with him, and he's not going to agree with you. By now anyone reading this community who has two working eyes will have seen all this and drawn their own conclusions, and will need no further cautioning. More arguments in the comments from this point on will achieve nothing. Beating a dead horse gets kinda squishy and stinky after a while. ;)

Let's let it go. (I seriously want to get out from in front of this computer and make me some dinner...)

[raygirlrol.livejournal.com]

Squishy dead horse and dinner should not belong in the same comment >___< Bleeeergh

But I agree. Mix is a stubborn idiot, Rose was saved a crappy trade because of her backchecking and all is right in the world...so now we can rest in our beds

and there is a moral to this story....or a marble perhaps

[lilenth.livejournal.com]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/mix_hyenataur/30925.html#cutid1

How immature can you get mix?

A: So we're a bunch of snobs? why? because most of us are *gasp* disagreeing with you. It happens, learn to accept it.

B: You don't want to disrespect Rose or her work, yet you call her a cheapskate in your livejournal? Talk about saying one thing and then doing another.

C: You're calling her a cheapskate because she wouldn't agree to give you in trade more than your card is worth currently. Most adults don't namecall when a business proposition is turned down.

D: Fair to her? How is it fair to her that you demand that she honour a price from 2 years ago that has since dropped and would be lower anyway due to the second hand nature of the product you offered? A price she has NO obligation to honour anyway. I think you have a childs perspective of fair as in mix first, mix second and mix last.

E: Learn the meaning of the word "gift" http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gift
Something that is bestowed voluntarily and without compensation.
You offered a trade not a gift and it did not benefit the person so they turned it down, accept that.

[synchra.livejournal.com]

no one could've said it better.

[raygirlrol.livejournal.com]

Yano this could all have been so easily sorted had mix agreed that he had over priced the card. Jeeze. I hate people who won't agree their wrong. It could have just been a case of 'oh dear, it was that price when I bought it, but now that the price has gone down I'm willing to trade to that amount ^_^ '

when we wouldn't be going into all this crap about economy and price drops and fish and underwear and where is this going I don't know

But thank god Rose checked the facts before agreeing/declining the offer. Smart move chica :)

[rosequoll.livejournal.com]

Well, I know enough about computer items (I use CF cards for file transfers at home) and I knew that even at 80x speed, there was NO way it was worth $170. So I checked. I expected him to at least be polite. -.-

[thaily.livejournal.com]

Oh c'mon Rose, he was just trying to help you XD
No doubt in the same way he intended to "help" Starfinder in the previous post, by offering a second-hand item which has decreased in value for items of superior value and then doesn't allow the artist to sign it and then throw a childish shitfit when the artist doesn't bend over and grab his/her ankles.

[bewylderbeast.livejournal.com]

He or she has tried this before, and when warnings were posted about him/her they developed the same pissy attitude.

mix_hyenataur is nothing but a con artist, you were right to not accept his offer.

[korrok.livejournal.com]

And apparently, I'm a psycho for warning a couple of people about him. He's been going around posting about me at random, e.g.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/westly/197132.html?thread=1146380#t1146380

What a nice individual.

Personally, I could never trust him after his appearance on Furbid Horrors:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/furbid_horrors/22095.html

He'd probably try to avoid sending you the card, or send you the wrong one anyway. No matter what he was offering, I'd avoid him - and I hope that everyone else learns to do the same (not because I'm a "psycho", or have a grudge against you, Mix, but because you're a dodgy customer!)

[thaily.livejournal.com]

You're Stalin?

[ultraviolet.livejournal.com]

All I can say is, he's claimed several times here, that he was just trying to help. And from everything put together here, he didnt gracefully just decline continuing the trade. Instead he gave you some guff about your pricing etc, when all he had to do was say, "sorry, I'd reather do otherwise." If he really wanted to help you, why make more of the situation? :P

[mix-hyenataur.livejournal.com]

*nods*

[dani-kitty.livejournal.com]

"asking for a mere friendship"

I'm seriously kind of weirded out by your looking/seeking/stalking out artists to "become friends with". Your whole "I don't just want art, I want friendship" schtick is really offputting and will send anyone with a grain of sense in their head a-running.

Business transactions do NOT equal friendship, and in my own experience, most commissioners wanting "lolfriendsies" are just looking for a way to weasel in and beg free art out of someone.

You're transparent as well as annoying.

[evol.livejournal.com]

But now we're all "blacklisting him as friends", Dani! :*(