Update: skullgrrl

[grygon.livejournal.com]

I had hoped that this next weekend I would post a "resolved" post but when I got home from my aunt's funeral tonight I found this message in my inbox:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6110810725/sizes/o/in/photostream/

She refers to a bad-dealings thread on taxidermy.net where the only new message I had posted in reply since posting here and getting to see this dispute nearly resolved was a link to her artists-beware post, pointing out how she had reacted to it. That was going to be my last post concerning her, plus the resolution post when I did get my plush. It seems the post was removed, and I have a few PMs on those forums urging me to post my warning again as my own warning, and not Bob's (I had only been replying to his post about his bad dealings with her to share my own).

Then I found this beauty:
(eta: gender slurs and threats of physical violence in link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6116827145/sizes/o/in/photostream/
the top thread is from her fanpage on facebook and the very bottom of that image is from taxidermy.net. At the top she mentions giving me a day or so, and in her facebook PM the only thing she asks for is me removing my posts.

The images explain themselves, I think, but as I suspect from my first post on her:
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/502139.html
her local fans are up in arms.

I am unsure what to do at this point. Thoughts?


ETA: Rereading that thread, I do want to clarify the "stay at home artist with no kids" comment that gets mentioned about the other forum as it seems to be lost on some critics: I meant that she was just a stay at home artist, and could not use kids as a valid reason for not working as that would be an understandable reason to me.

ETA2: Re: "wasn't allowed in skullgrrl's group" message below (frozen by mods, due to insults), I was a member and left of my own freewill for personal reasons and then got harassed for it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6118557424/sizes/o/in/photostream/

ETA3: so after being temp-banned here for her behavior, she posts this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270163.html
She makes some untrue statements in the comments as well as the main post, though that should be obvious to everyone by now. If there is a comment or statement she made that you want my side to just let me know. She does mention that I apologized to her here in the comments for some reason but I did not do that, at all, as can be seen.

ETA4: she deleted that post on furhideandbone. It got to around 40 comments (that I have saved via email if they're needed for whatever reason), mostly of people telling her to cool off. She deleted it and reposted this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270627.html
So here is a screen cap of the "witch hunt" she deleted from there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6119512262/sizes/o/in/photostream/

ETA5: I'm in the coffee shop now with nyaro and have picked up the plushie. Plushie-wise, this issue is resolved now. I'm in love all over again, it's like when I first got Babette who is my favorite ever.

Comments

[bridgeportcat.livejournal.com]

How is calling a customer the C word publicly in any way, shape or form "professional"? It doesn't matter how far past the breaking point you're pushed, you do not talk like that. Skullgrrl, no matter how "nice" she is, is behaving disgustingly and I'm absolutely never going to work with her if this is how she talks about her "problem" customers.

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

A thousand times THIS.
Calling someone gender slurs is never professional, ever, and instantly crosses someone off my "nice and professional" list.

[ocelotish]

I'd think it's just using any sort of slur, gendered or not.

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

Of course, but in this case, the slur happened to be a specific one, so I stuck to that.

EDIT: Oh geez, and a threat of physical violence as well. That should be mentioned too. This Skullgrrl person is NOT a nice person, nor are they professional.

[grygon.livejournal.com]

Should that be pointed out in my main post, do you think?

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

Probably. Just a little note at the top of the link for that screenie, so people know what it's about.
Perhaps this: "Then I found this beauty (gender slurs and threats of physical violence in link):"

I mean really, threatening to punch you? That's 500 kinds of messed up. Sure, it's probably just tough talk, and were she ever to see you in RL, she'd most likely slink away, but it's still wrong to go around threatening physical violence on people over the internet.

[grygon.livejournal.com]

Good idea. And done.

And speaking of in RL I will have a friend (or more) with me when I pick up the doll just in case. I don't think she'd resort to violence (or ask her friends to), but as I have learned working with violent kids- you always take that stuff seriously, cause sometimes it does happen and the law isn't always as clear-cut as one hopes it is (yes, work has taught me many a frightening lesson).

[breakspire.livejournal.com]

you should just pay to have it shipped

[cesarin.livejournal.com]

she could scalate it further by keeping that money and sending something useless or broken.. ( Ie to prove she sent it.. and then blame it on the dude)
some people have done it in the past.

[frequentlynyaro.livejournal.com]

Seriously? You think I would hurt you when you pick up Simba? Forget it. Gimme your address and I'll ship your stuff to you. I thought my work would work (haha), but if you're so paranoid you think I'd go awol in my own place of employment, sending your stuff to you would probably save you from a nervous breakdown.

[frequentlynyaro.livejournal.com]

And I mean no disrespect. I'm just really surprised that you think I'd even be willing to hurt you if she asked me to (which she hasn't...at all). And if you really ARE worried, it probably would be for the best to just send it to you after all.

[grygon.livejournal.com]

I never said such a thing, don't put words in my mouth. And my nerves are fine, thanks.

[skanrashke.livejournal.com]

You showing up at her house is asking for trouble.
You should pay to ship it.

[grygon.livejournal.com]

Actually I left of my own will and then had you harass me about it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6118557424/sizes/o/in/photostream/

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Alright, I asked you TWICE to refrain from insults. I wanted to think you were capable of defending yourself like an adult as you are demanding of Grygon, but apparently I was incorrect. I am temporarily suspending you for two weeks as your third (or.. like, fifth at this point) breaking of the rules. Feel free to come back in two weeks when you've hopefully calmed down and give your side of the story without the insults and tantruming.

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

That may be, but your reaction was even more trollish.
Calling someone a C***? (Hello misogynist slurs!)
Threatening to punch them if you ever saw them? (Hello threats of physical violence!)

What were you *thinking*?
If you want to show yourself the "better party", you wouldn't sink to below the other person's level.

[grygon.livejournal.com]

Should be noted that I left her group of my own decision and then was harassed about it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6118557424/sizes/o/in/photostream/

She has two weeks of being banned at a_b to cool off. Maybe in two weeks she will see things differently (I can be hopeful).

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I saw that in your edit, and in the comments as well (Just got back here from dinner).
From her comments in your screenies, and the way she acted here just now with the insults, it has cemented my feelings. Not professional in the least, definitely a beware. Thank you for the warning.

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

Reply to my own comment here. Looks like Skullgrrl deleted her comment (the one I replied to).

In case anyone is wondering, here is the text from HER comment, copy-pasted from the LJ notification in my email box.

"you are encouraging a troll. She has nothing else but the internet, and
making other people miserable. You haven't had dealings with her so you
aren't aware of how bad it is..also, I own the group I bitched about her
in. my group which she was unceremoniously dumped from months ago. She
can't use a private forum publicly."

[grygon.livejournal.com]

Hmm... thank you for telling me! Guh... the idea of going through this whole thing and finding out what else she deleted... but I shall!

[skirtandzy.livejournal.com]

Sexist slurs.

Misogyny means a hatred of women, and that is usually not the reason behind posting it. Not that it makes it right.

(frozen)

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

Yes, I know what misogyny means. I chose that word purposefully. To me, for someone to resort to that slur, that DOES imply a hatred of women or at the very least, disrespect of that gender. I'd prefer not to discuss it further, thank you.

[mazz.livejournal.com]

Yea, there is nothing professional about that behavior.

Professional would have been; "Now that the issue is resolved could you please remove the post you had made about me?"

She really just slanders herself there by behaving the way she did.