Update: skullgrrl
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I had hoped that this next weekend I would post a "resolved" post but when I got home from my aunt's funeral tonight I found this message in my inbox:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6110810725/sizes/o/in/photostream/
She refers to a bad-dealings thread on taxidermy.net where the only new message I had posted in reply since posting here and getting to see this dispute nearly resolved was a link to her artists-beware post, pointing out how she had reacted to it. That was going to be my last post concerning her, plus the resolution post when I did get my plush. It seems the post was removed, and I have a few PMs on those forums urging me to post my warning again as my own warning, and not Bob's (I had only been replying to his post about his bad dealings with her to share my own).
Then I found this beauty:
(eta: gender slurs and threats of physical violence in link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6116827145/sizes/o/in/photostream/
the top thread is from her fanpage on facebook and the very bottom of that image is from taxidermy.net. At the top she mentions giving me a day or so, and in her facebook PM the only thing she asks for is me removing my posts.
The images explain themselves, I think, but as I suspect from my first post on her:
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/502139.html
her local fans are up in arms.
I am unsure what to do at this point. Thoughts?
ETA: Rereading that thread, I do want to clarify the "stay at home artist with no kids" comment that gets mentioned about the other forum as it seems to be lost on some critics: I meant that she was just a stay at home artist, and could not use kids as a valid reason for not working as that would be an understandable reason to me.
ETA2: Re: "wasn't allowed in skullgrrl's group" message below (frozen by mods, due to insults), I was a member and left of my own freewill for personal reasons and then got harassed for it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6118557424/sizes/o/in/photostream/
ETA3: so after being temp-banned here for her behavior, she posts this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270163.html
She makes some untrue statements in the comments as well as the main post, though that should be obvious to everyone by now. If there is a comment or statement she made that you want my side to just let me know. She does mention that I apologized to her here in the comments for some reason but I did not do that, at all, as can be seen.
ETA4: she deleted that post on furhideandbone. It got to around 40 comments (that I have saved via email if they're needed for whatever reason), mostly of people telling her to cool off. She deleted it and reposted this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270627.html
So here is a screen cap of the "witch hunt" she deleted from there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6119512262/sizes/o/in/photostream/
ETA5: I'm in the coffee shop now with nyaro and have picked up the plushie. Plushie-wise, this issue is resolved now. I'm in love all over again, it's like when I first got Babette who is my favorite ever.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6110810725/sizes/o/in/photostream/
She refers to a bad-dealings thread on taxidermy.net where the only new message I had posted in reply since posting here and getting to see this dispute nearly resolved was a link to her artists-beware post, pointing out how she had reacted to it. That was going to be my last post concerning her, plus the resolution post when I did get my plush. It seems the post was removed, and I have a few PMs on those forums urging me to post my warning again as my own warning, and not Bob's (I had only been replying to his post about his bad dealings with her to share my own).
Then I found this beauty:
(eta: gender slurs and threats of physical violence in link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6116827145/sizes/o/in/photostream/
the top thread is from her fanpage on facebook and the very bottom of that image is from taxidermy.net. At the top she mentions giving me a day or so, and in her facebook PM the only thing she asks for is me removing my posts.
The images explain themselves, I think, but as I suspect from my first post on her:
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/502139.html
her local fans are up in arms.
I am unsure what to do at this point. Thoughts?
ETA: Rereading that thread, I do want to clarify the "stay at home artist with no kids" comment that gets mentioned about the other forum as it seems to be lost on some critics: I meant that she was just a stay at home artist, and could not use kids as a valid reason for not working as that would be an understandable reason to me.
ETA2: Re: "wasn't allowed in skullgrrl's group" message below (frozen by mods, due to insults), I was a member and left of my own freewill for personal reasons and then got harassed for it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6118557424/sizes/o/in/photostream/
ETA3: so after being temp-banned here for her behavior, she posts this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270163.html
She makes some untrue statements in the comments as well as the main post, though that should be obvious to everyone by now. If there is a comment or statement she made that you want my side to just let me know. She does mention that I apologized to her here in the comments for some reason but I did not do that, at all, as can be seen.
ETA4: she deleted that post on furhideandbone. It got to around 40 comments (that I have saved via email if they're needed for whatever reason), mostly of people telling her to cool off. She deleted it and reposted this:
http://furhideandbone.livejournal.com/1270627.html
So here is a screen cap of the "witch hunt" she deleted from there:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29033586@N08/6119512262/sizes/o/in/photostream/
ETA5: I'm in the coffee shop now with nyaro and have picked up the plushie. Plushie-wise, this issue is resolved now. I'm in love all over again, it's like when I first got Babette who is my favorite ever.
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Date: 2011-09-06 11:19 pm (UTC)From my point of view: instead of actually looking for any proof of what was happening, it seemed like everyone jumped on the bandwagon with "OH YEAH, SHE'S A DICK HAHA" and mindless asspatting. I'm not friends/familiar with anyone mentioned, so I really don't know how this all went down, but if you look at the screenshots: that's what it looks like. If you pull back for a second and try to think of it from a POV other than your own (person a made this comment, instead of my friend "x" made this comment), I think you could see where I'm coming from, maybe.
Agreeing with her and essentially egging her on and making her think this kind of verbal backlash is okay will only make her do it more, since she's getting positive responses for acting immaturely. There was a user on FA (that's been posted on here several times) that acted the same way and thought it was perfectly fine for a long time because all of her fans didn't bother to research what was going down, but thought she was ~*oh no the victim*~, and gave her nothing but asspats and "YEAH YOU TELL EM'".
I have nothing against you or your friends (I'm actually kind of glad you approached me the way that you did), or even Skullgrrl -- I just don't like the way that it was handled by any of the parties involved, and the response on that screenshot worried me.
I also made the mistake of writing up my original response/reading all of this at 6am on no sleep, so I probably mussed up on a few parts and should have come back to this and written up a response now instead of trying to make sense of things while on the verge of passing out. That's my bad, haha.
I hope you can understand where I'm coming from, because I can definitely see where you're coming from, even if I don't agree 100% with the way things went down.
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Date: 2011-09-06 11:46 pm (UTC)She was actually here this last weekend for five days and we all spent a lot of time with her. She disclosed some of what was going on then, so they aren't blindly agreeing. Most of those who replied are aware of most of the details. But from an outsider's point of view, I can see how it would be kind of damning.
There's no way I could fault you even if you didn't make sense, as I'm not really doing much better. lol
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Date: 2011-09-06 11:50 pm (UTC)