Beware: Sin.
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WHO: Sin.
WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sin.
WHAT: Originally, a commission of 10 chibi's. Eventually changed to 2 sketch pages for artist convenience. Changed again to a single piece for artists convenience.
WHEN: November 15th, 2010 - January 12, 2012
PROOF: The original agreement on November 15th, 2010 where Sin. accepted $40 for 10 fully colored pictures.
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence2.png
EXPLAIN: Originally, Sin. was hard up for money and needed quick buck to help her out with some things. I had some expendable cash and had recently discovered her, so I thought I could help out and get some art along the way. By November 20th she had accepted my ideas and was to begin work on the pieces ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence3.png ).
From that date, all of the interaction between Sin. and myself took place over messengers where it was easier to quickly communicate ideas. She finished pieces from others who commissioned her from the same journal as I did and even started taking more commissions both from journals and livestreams. She claimed that she would work on mine, but I never was shown any progress nor would she work on them in public view for me to see. I was careful not to be belligerent, however, and did not push her too harshly to finish them. Now and then I would reminder her that she still owed me things only to be met with "Oh I know! I haven't forgotten about you!", but it yielded no actual results.
For the next few months this went on, asking for updates and reminding that she still owed me work while she continued to take and finish others commissions right before my eyes, but she said that so many pictures were too difficult. So I agreed for the sake of getting SOMETHING for my money to condense it all down into two sketch pages instead of 10 fully colored pieces. This was completely for Sin.'s convenience. More months pass and despite claims of having a full page completed, no progress was shown physically. Eventually after a lapse of contact I sent a note to ask how the sketches were going at which point she admitted to being behind and opted instead to give me 5 pieces of art fully colored ( HALF of the original amount ) for my troubles. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence4.png And http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence5.png ).
I stated that I would tell her precisely what I wanted at a later date, since I wasn't exactly sure at this point what to commission. Things stayed this way for a couple of weeks until my girlfriend and I chose what we wanted. The idea of a five person commission, despite her request to only have 3 per pictures, was given to her with the perk of it being the only picture she would have to complete to fulfill her duty to me. At first she accepted, but once confronted with the idea of drawing it decided it would be too difficult and backed down. Several more days pass and I allow my girlfriend some of the slots that I didn't know how to use to get a reference sheet. She knew the details better than I would, so I had her contact Sin. directly. Sin. denied my girlfriend without attempting to contact me based on the fact that they were my slots.
This all leads to January 12, 2012 when she sent me this note with no provocation from myself. Needless to say, I was surprised to see it pop up in my inbox. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence6.png ). Of course, having been as patient as I was ( even recognized by herself at one point ) this felt like a kick in the gut. Finally we work out the deal to do the original idea that I had come up with for the 5 person commission and that would fulfill her obligation to me.
She insisted on doing this commission immediately to get it out of the way. I had things to take care of and it was getting very late, so my girlfriend handled the details for me. Immediately she continued her rude attitude and made things very difficult to the very end.
It is obvious from looking at the piece that her normal care was not put into it and it was finished in under an hour after over a year of waiting. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/beecarcommission.png ). No background, sloppy lines, hardly adding ANY detail.
Finally, as soon as she finished the commission, she posted a journal about her experience with "us" and showing her true emotion and attitude. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence8.png ).
I do a lot of commissioning and this is the worst experience I have ever had. Stay FAR away from this artist.
WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sin.
WHAT: Originally, a commission of 10 chibi's. Eventually changed to 2 sketch pages for artist convenience. Changed again to a single piece for artists convenience.
WHEN: November 15th, 2010 - January 12, 2012
PROOF: The original agreement on November 15th, 2010 where Sin. accepted $40 for 10 fully colored pictures.
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence2.png
EXPLAIN: Originally, Sin. was hard up for money and needed quick buck to help her out with some things. I had some expendable cash and had recently discovered her, so I thought I could help out and get some art along the way. By November 20th she had accepted my ideas and was to begin work on the pieces ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence3.png ).
From that date, all of the interaction between Sin. and myself took place over messengers where it was easier to quickly communicate ideas. She finished pieces from others who commissioned her from the same journal as I did and even started taking more commissions both from journals and livestreams. She claimed that she would work on mine, but I never was shown any progress nor would she work on them in public view for me to see. I was careful not to be belligerent, however, and did not push her too harshly to finish them. Now and then I would reminder her that she still owed me things only to be met with "Oh I know! I haven't forgotten about you!", but it yielded no actual results.
For the next few months this went on, asking for updates and reminding that she still owed me work while she continued to take and finish others commissions right before my eyes, but she said that so many pictures were too difficult. So I agreed for the sake of getting SOMETHING for my money to condense it all down into two sketch pages instead of 10 fully colored pieces. This was completely for Sin.'s convenience. More months pass and despite claims of having a full page completed, no progress was shown physically. Eventually after a lapse of contact I sent a note to ask how the sketches were going at which point she admitted to being behind and opted instead to give me 5 pieces of art fully colored ( HALF of the original amount ) for my troubles. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence4.png And http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence5.png ).
I stated that I would tell her precisely what I wanted at a later date, since I wasn't exactly sure at this point what to commission. Things stayed this way for a couple of weeks until my girlfriend and I chose what we wanted. The idea of a five person commission, despite her request to only have 3 per pictures, was given to her with the perk of it being the only picture she would have to complete to fulfill her duty to me. At first she accepted, but once confronted with the idea of drawing it decided it would be too difficult and backed down. Several more days pass and I allow my girlfriend some of the slots that I didn't know how to use to get a reference sheet. She knew the details better than I would, so I had her contact Sin. directly. Sin. denied my girlfriend without attempting to contact me based on the fact that they were my slots.
This all leads to January 12, 2012 when she sent me this note with no provocation from myself. Needless to say, I was surprised to see it pop up in my inbox. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence6.png ). Of course, having been as patient as I was ( even recognized by herself at one point ) this felt like a kick in the gut. Finally we work out the deal to do the original idea that I had come up with for the 5 person commission and that would fulfill her obligation to me.
She insisted on doing this commission immediately to get it out of the way. I had things to take care of and it was getting very late, so my girlfriend handled the details for me. Immediately she continued her rude attitude and made things very difficult to the very end.
It is obvious from looking at the piece that her normal care was not put into it and it was finished in under an hour after over a year of waiting. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/beecarcommission.png ). No background, sloppy lines, hardly adding ANY detail.
Finally, as soon as she finished the commission, she posted a journal about her experience with "us" and showing her true emotion and attitude. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence8.png ).
I do a lot of commissioning and this is the worst experience I have ever had. Stay FAR away from this artist.
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Date: 2012-01-17 10:27 pm (UTC)I'm not complaining that it is half of what I am owed. We negotiated it down. However, I was backed into accepting or receiving nothing. She couldn't pay me back the money because she didn't have it. She said that months ago and when she offered me another refund later, she said she would have to pay it back "when she could". I wasn't okay with this. She told me to make a decision now because she wasn't going to have it before. So I made my decision that the one piece would suffice. She drew it in under an hour with poor quality.
You need to figure out whether you actually made the choice to agree to this or not. I understand that it would have been a while for a refund (which stinks), but you were already waiting for a long time for the pictures. I guess I don't see how one option was really any better than the other at that point. I also don't see any threat of you getting nothing at all.
This is what I meant by complaining that you got half of the initial amount: "Eventually after a lapse of contact I sent a note to ask how the sketches were going at which point she admitted to being behind and opted instead to give me 5 pieces of art fully colored ( HALF of the original amount ) for my troubles."
It is 100% on the artist if they tell me to choose right now what I want after they had failed for over a year to even update me with progress.
I don't know how much is on the artist as you have no proof. I don't know how I can make this much clearer. This message was precipitated by beepuppy asking the artist to use a slot for the auction, but to me that says that some of the slots were open. If they weren't open, telling you to decide right then wouldn't be an issue. After all you'd have everything laid out; you could just list the five slots out for the artist no problem. If the artist doesn't have prompts, they can't work on it.
I'm not saying that the artist is right in this situation, in fact, I've said again and again where the artist is 100% in the wrong. However, I'm not sure that you were 100% innocent in the whole affair either. You've provided very disjointed evidence, and it's very hard to make determinations in that case.
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Date: 2012-01-17 10:39 pm (UTC)I have admitted that I agreed on fewer amounts. I have admitted that the slots should not have even been suggested for the auction. I'm not claiming that I am 100% a victim, but I do believe that I got the sour end of the deal here, not the artist.
If you think that this was a successful interaction between commissioner and artist, that is certainly your right. However, I would respectfully disagree and say that the artist should have completed one of the agreed upon items without having to change every couple of months.
I understand that sometimes artists have problems and things can't be completed, but she continued to take commissions, freebies, and stream sketches. There are a couple of people in this very post admitting to similar situations where she has poor interactions with customers and does not produce art despite payment being given.
Perhaps the artist COULD be at fault and it isn't the fault of a AB poster that you deem to be untruthful. The fact that I lack the messenger logs does not invalidate the negative experience that was created here.
TO THE POINT: The original date of commission was November 15, 2010. I got NOTHING until January 12, 2012. This in itself is unacceptable. She had "prompts" this entire time and continued to change the terms. Whether or not I accepted IS irrelevant, because she could have completed any of these terms with the prompts given to her.
Her behavior at the end is also unacceptable under any circumstances as you have admitted. Am I at fault for her long delay while still taking commissions? Am I at fault for her taking too large of a load? Am I at fault for her spending the money and not being able to give me a refund initially? Am I at fault for her not completing the sketch pages and having to change terms again?
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Date: 2012-01-17 10:56 pm (UTC)edit: I appear to have gotten confused here so disregard the "you're both still" part, but the freezing still stands.