Beware: Sin.

[jeiwolf.livejournal.com]

WHO: Sin.

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sin.

WHAT: Originally, a commission of 10 chibi's. Eventually changed to 2 sketch pages for artist convenience. Changed again to a single piece for artists convenience.

WHEN: November 15th, 2010 - January 12, 2012

PROOF: The original agreement on November 15th, 2010 where Sin. accepted $40 for 10 fully colored pictures.
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence2.png

EXPLAIN: Originally, Sin. was hard up for money and needed quick buck to help her out with some things. I had some expendable cash and had recently discovered her, so I thought I could help out and get some art along the way. By November 20th she had accepted my ideas and was to begin work on the pieces ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence3.png ).

From that date, all of the interaction between Sin. and myself took place over messengers where it was easier to quickly communicate ideas. She finished pieces from others who commissioned her from the same journal as I did and even started taking more commissions both from journals and livestreams. She claimed that she would work on mine, but I never was shown any progress nor would she work on them in public view for me to see. I was careful not to be belligerent, however, and did not push her too harshly to finish them. Now and then I would reminder her that she still owed me things only to be met with "Oh I know! I haven't forgotten about you!", but it yielded no actual results.

For the next few months this went on, asking for updates and reminding that she still owed me work while she continued to take and finish others commissions right before my eyes, but she said that so many pictures were too difficult. So I agreed for the sake of getting SOMETHING for my money to condense it all down into two sketch pages instead of 10 fully colored pieces. This was completely for Sin.'s convenience. More months pass and despite claims of having a full page completed, no progress was shown physically. Eventually after a lapse of contact I sent a note to ask how the sketches were going at which point she admitted to being behind and opted instead to give me 5 pieces of art fully colored ( HALF of the original amount ) for my troubles. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence4.png And http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence5.png ).

I stated that I would tell her precisely what I wanted at a later date, since I wasn't exactly sure at this point what to commission. Things stayed this way for a couple of weeks until my girlfriend and I chose what we wanted. The idea of a five person commission, despite her request to only have 3 per pictures, was given to her with the perk of it being the only picture she would have to complete to fulfill her duty to me. At first she accepted, but once confronted with the idea of drawing it decided it would be too difficult and backed down. Several more days pass and I allow my girlfriend some of the slots that I didn't know how to use to get a reference sheet. She knew the details better than I would, so I had her contact Sin. directly. Sin. denied my girlfriend without attempting to contact me based on the fact that they were my slots.

This all leads to January 12, 2012 when she sent me this note with no provocation from myself. Needless to say, I was surprised to see it pop up in my inbox. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence6.png ). Of course, having been as patient as I was ( even recognized by herself at one point ) this felt like a kick in the gut. Finally we work out the deal to do the original idea that I had come up with for the 5 person commission and that would fulfill her obligation to me.

She insisted on doing this commission immediately to get it out of the way. I had things to take care of and it was getting very late, so my girlfriend handled the details for me. Immediately she continued her rude attitude and made things very difficult to the very end.

It is obvious from looking at the piece that her normal care was not put into it and it was finished in under an hour after over a year of waiting. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/beecarcommission.png ). No background, sloppy lines, hardly adding ANY detail.

Finally, as soon as she finished the commission, she posted a journal about her experience with "us" and showing her true emotion and attitude. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence8.png ).

I do a lot of commissioning and this is the worst experience I have ever had. Stay FAR away from this artist.

Comments

[maryseif.livejournal.com]

Wow that last journal. What an attitude.

[shynanigans.livejournal.com]

Do you have screen shots of your replies to her? I somehow don't feel as if the entire thing is being told. The 6th screen shot is really snippy, but I have to agree that -you- were her customer, not your significant other, an thus it would have been proper for you to keep contact with Sin on the matter. Understandable that you were busy, but was there no way for your girlfriend to send you details, and then you send them to the artist? One feels that dealing with third parties in a transaction, especially online, is kind of shady and inconvenient if not agreed on beforehand.

[starcharmer.livejournal.com]

I was thinking the same thing, but I wouldn't fly off the handle like that if asked to speak to a third party -especially- if the commissioner had been so polite/understanding/patient with me up to that point.

It's simple to state, you know..."I would rather just deal with you, so if possible could you have [friend/SO] email/note you what they'd like and you can pass on the information to me?" Seems kind of like an extreme overreaction on her part unless the girlfriend was screaming obscenities at her unprovoked. :P

And then that journal...lol -watch. No grievance should be aired publicly in that fashion. A legit warning, bring it on, but that was just...catty.

[lackoflollies.livejournal.com]

Wow..

[doomhobbit.livejournal.com]

You've linked to the wrong "Sin" on FA. The "Sin" you wanted to post about has a "." at the end of their name, the one you linked to hasn't been active in five months it seems.

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sin.

[mpd-84.livejournal.com]

Your link isn't working either. It appears that the "." is being counted as a normal period instead of part of the link itself. Looks like people will have to enter it manually onsite.

[crimson-flygon.livejournal.com]

Dying to know what in the world your girlfriend said between her contacting you with "You are so patient thank you so much <3" and the unexpected rant of random all caps and bolds because SHE isn't TAKING THIS any MORE. <<<EMPHASIS ARROWS<<<< Looked like a bad situation being handled "OK" until the sudden turn for the worst. Unfortunate to see it transformed into a piece of art you can't be satisfied with and the artist writing an infamous shoot-themselves-in-the-foot journal. I'm sure it would be informative to see what your girlfriend/you said to her. Also when she notes that one of you made a journal about it and deleted it, any info on that you could provide? From this perspective she does seem to be definitely in the wrong and acting entirely unprofessionally, it'd be fair to see the "whole story" though, it feels like a bit is missing when we've only seen what she said.

[beepuppy.livejournal.com]

Hey! :3

I was the one to make a journal; I was stressed and made a quick journal noting to people that I didn't appreciate being gossiped to about people I'm close friends with. I deleted it when I realized that it could be misconstrued to be a drama hook.

When I questioned whether she would be okay with using Carrot's slots for the reference sheet auction she'd offered (which I'd won), she responded with anger and defensiveness,(this was during a livestream which I eventually left. Unfortunately I didn't save the log.) stating that she'd offered that auction for quick cash and needed the money now. I was rather taken aback, and told her that was fine (as I've been in that spot myself many a time) and that I would have been fine just paying for the reference sheet outright, I'd simply been checking to see if that was okay.

Her response of that she didn't care whether or not I wanted it was very snippy, and if I remember correctly, she even made mention of that she was "sick of dealing with me". I shrugged it off with a "Whatever, dude. It's not a big deal. We'll figure it out later." I then left the stream, well aware that she was angry and not wanting to further an already stressful situation for the both of us.

Her response was to hide my comments on the auction submission and immediately tell the next highest bidder that he'd won without questioning me on whether I actually wanted the reference sheet or not. I didn't comment, deciding it wasn't worth the stress. Shortly thereafter, she sent the note above to Carrot.

Edit: it was the auction submission, not a journal, that I'd bid on and been hidden on.

[meguroco.livejournal.com]

Although I agree with the sentiment that a third party should not be contacting the artist about a commission, the response that Sin. gave was horrific. Yeesh.

As for the link, it doesn't appear to be an HTML problem as I could link it on my journal just fine, but maybe it's a comm thing?

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sin. (http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sin.)

Hopefully that'll work!

[azzyblue.livejournal.com]

Woah. I am just blown away every time when people get so rude and unprofessional like that.

I can understand thinking that you only want to deal with the person that originally commissioned you, but being rude to your girlfriend and then to you was completely uncalled for (though the "whatever dude" from your girlfriend probably didn't help your cause. It gave the artist a reason to feel justified in her then-misplaced anger, I think, and allowed her to feel entitled to be rude back).

In any case, the dragging you around and convincing you to get way less for your money than what you originally paid for, and then giving you art that really wasn't worth the money or wait were (at least in my eyes) bad enough, but her attitude places a big, steaming pile of crap icing on this crap cake. Definitely a good beware, sorry you had to deal with that. :/

[azzyblue.livejournal.com]

Ahh, I had not refreshed before submitting my last comment, and Beepuppy had replied before I did. That was a bad move on her part, but the anger and attitude towards you as a result was still not justified, of course.

[phoenixsrequiem.livejournal.com]

O.O woah. That kinda sucks. I had won a sketchbook in July last year and she was unable to finish it. She did completely refund me, and I have no hard feelings over that... but just woah. I think she may be overwhelmed a bit..

(frozen)

[ocelotish]

I do feel like we're missing part of the story here. However, that being said, it doesn't mean the artist is right. I've looked at some of her other chibis, and while I'd say that you got more background than the others I've seen, there does seem to be a drop in quality.

However, I also feel like you have some responsibility here too. I wish I could see things a little more clearly, but it looks like there was an agreement for ten single figure chibis, that the artist then wanted to combine into five two-character chibis or so. I'm not seeing anything dealing with the sketch pages, or the exact details of how the five pieces that were agreed upon. However, if you have decided on the single piece with the five characters that completes the whole agreement, that is your decision.

I also feel like it wasn't unreasonable to refuse the girlfriends asking for one of your slots. First of all, it's always messy to work with a third party who hasn't paid for the slot. Secondly, trying to use the slot within the context of an auction is entirely inappropriate. That being said, you didn't deserve to be yelled at for your girlfriend's actions. The journal is also entirely inappropriate and unprofessional.

TL;DR - The artist was definitely unprofessional, however I feel like there's a lot of the story we're missing too.

(frozen)

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

I agree with just about everything you've said XD

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

I really think you should have just accepted the refund when she offered it to you. If you could tell she was getting snippy, then pushing her to do it anyway was a bad idea.

That said, that still doesn't excuse her behavior, and I have no idea why she just didn't just admit up front that she was having trouble with yours, and/or offered a refund right then (even if she had money troubles at the time, she could have made and IOU for later).

Also, do you have any of your responses to her on the notes at least?

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I agree. When things get as sour as in that note Sinevidence6.png it's usually best just to go with a refund.

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

Long ago I bought Sin. some plugs in exchange for a reference of my character, Blood. We had an argument over her being rude to a customer (insulting their character and calling it boring) and she blocked me. When I spoke to her I told her to just keep it because it was obvious she forgot and was probably never going to finish it.
She unblocked me since and reblocked me for liking ponies or something? idk. It's really sad though that she's doing this and I feel really bad for recommending her to so many people after she made one of my references.

[spiritlobo.livejournal.com]

Ahh, you know, while I was reading this, I kept thinking it was the Sin that's been reported here before for some serious badmouthing on an innocent customer. Am I right on this?

If I am, none of this surprises me in the least. Sin seems like she has some real problems she needs to be taking care of before she does commissions like these :T But that's just my unprofessional opinion.

[corriezodori.livejournal.com]

Shame, I actually donated to her (cant remember how much, about 8 dollars or 15 dollars)
and she promisedto draw all the people who donated something.
Im not too MUCH bothered that she never did, but still....

I know she has pretty bad work ethic, constantly taking commisions and not finishing the current ones she has.

She was nice to me always, but I just dont think I can trust her. <:\

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

You are still on my list. It was indeed $8 because it was equivalent to an item of food that I told you I was going to, and did get. I made a journal two days ago (I was unaware this a-b post even existed then) with my list of art I still owed inside of it, you are indeed on that list and that list was in no way shape or form the order I was doing them in, just as they came to mind.

It's not like I haven't done ANYTHING for you, I did do that one sketch but wasn't too happy with it, you did in fact see it. I asked you for another idea that I can do for you, I have it THINLY sketched out, pose ... it looks basically like a stick figure right now haha. If you want your $8 donation back, by all means, just ask for it. But I just wanted to let you know that you still are in my top priorities.

If you have anything you want to say or ask, please feel free to comment here, note me, send a PM, or anything !~

I'd also like to thank you for posting your honest opinion. I know that sounds weird, but I like all the information I can get, good or bad.

Have a good day.

-Sin.

[frazzled-niya.livejournal.com]

I'd actually like to hear Sin's side of the story too, while her rudeness was unnecessary I can understand it.

Did you ever just ask for a WIP and not just ask "how is my commission going?"

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

I know you don't get updates if I post a new comment, so I have indeed posted my story below if you are still interested. <3

[kadaramy.livejournal.com]

I've bought a bit of art from her, and from my experience she is disorganized.But her art is honestly really cute,I just think she needs to be a little more professional when dealing with other people's money. It's a shame because like said her style is very appealing to me, I hope she can mature as an artist and learn from experiences like this.

[mikaufoxy.livejournal.com]

Beware deserved. Her rude 'tude reminds me of a certain someone whom got banned from FA permanently.

[mialattia.livejournal.com]

Wwwweell I can't see your responses, but giving too many concessions and not sticking to your guns is just not the right way to deal with these people, and the whole girlfriend-in-the-stream thing wasn't great either for any party.

BUT you should just get a refund for situations like this. As soon as it's offered, or as soon as YOU feel uncomfortable with what the artist (or on the other side, the commissioner) is doing, a refund is in order. As an artist, I can and will refund a customer and not work with them further, and that's what she should have done, but if she wasn't going to, I think you ought to have. Sorry for your experience.

well..

[tessa l (from livejournal.com)]

you guys are missing a great deal of the story.

i saw an exchange of notes between carrot (the commissioner) and sin. on the day that the car image was completed. this was when she forgot to pause her screen in a livestream, so i don't have any solid proof of this. you can either believe me or not.

her inbox was flooded with carrot waffling about whether he wanted a refund or the commission (yeah, i'll just take the refund. no wait, i'd rather have the art. but a refund would be nice. stuff like that). people in the stream were concerned, asking "who's that?" and bee just casually responded "LOL NOBODY."

the refsheet that bee requested as part of carrot's prepaid slots was a REFSHEET AUCTION that she won. she said in a livestream chat that carrot said it was okay, but as an artist... man. if someone's winning an auction, they're gonna pay me their high bid, you know? i personally thought it was really rude to ask something like that, ESPECIALLY not being the person who gave her the cash in the first place. it's kinda like me taking my boyfriend's credit card to best buy and telling them "it's okay! he said i could use it!"


and as i understand with the chibi situation, the original commission was for, like, him and his girlfriend at the time or something. then they broke up. he told her to hold back on the chibis for awhile, and didn't give her any further instructions for months.

again, i know i don't have any solid proof here. you can take this or leave it, guys... just know that sin isn't a demon. if i were in that situation as an artist, i'd be pretty annoyed, too.

Re: well..

[jeiwolf.livejournal.com]

Incorrect.

The back and forth was because she never told me she had started. I told her my preference that I would like to have the image done, but thought about it briefly. She said she could stream it if I wanted, but I didn't get back to her because I was quite busy. Finally I said that I would like the refund, but she had already begun work, therefore I told her she could finish and I would just accept it.

Everybody knows about the refsheet auction. I am in agreement that it should not have been done. I wasn't even AWARE that was what she was trying to do at the time. She has admitted that was wrong. However, that does not excuse over a year of no updates and refusing to do the initial work commissioned.

You understand the "chibi" situation wrong. The original commission WAS for my girlfriend and I at the time. We did break up. I never did say to hold back. That is not a thing that occurred.

EDIT: Also, her note box was not flooded. That is a large manipulation of the truth. I sent two notes, one saying that I would like the refund. The second confirming that she had already started and that she could just go ahead and complete since she had begun work and I didn't feel right making her stop.

EDIT 2: The notes in question:

Me asking for the refund, not realizing she had begun drawing it in a stream already, as I was not informed of it. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/Sinevidence9.png )

My response to confirm she could continue after learning of her stream, but she didn't have to if she just wanted to refund me. ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/sinevidence11.png )

Sin.'s response ( http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc496/Carrotwolf/sinevidence10.png )

The issue was not the completion of the picture. The issue was the length of time it took with no communication, no progress, and ultimately no care.

[sevalprincess.livejournal.com]

I just wanna say that while I understand the waiting and the situation Sin. has always been amazing with me, she has finished my pieces posted them when I asked and has been nothing but curtious.

I was in the livestream as well that day, on top of being in Bee's livestream. Bee was a bit pushy in sins livestream when she said that she wanted the ref, sin basically said that she would like to talk to Carrot instead since HE had won the auction, Bee the proceeded to bad mouth Sin. in her stream saying how she was tired of taking all this shit from people and how she gave her so much money and that they deserved to get their art.

I personally have given sin WELL OVER $200 over the past year or so and I am still waiting for art, and I understand the wait cause when I commissioned her she had a que, she had other people a head of me, and shes got other things to do shes a busy girl with a rough life, and shes trying. Shes not an art robot. Im not saying those are excuses im just saying ive given her more money and waited as well, but im not nearly as irate....

Bee, and carrot, they are not innocent parties themselves, they were both pretty rude to Sin. in stream and I think both parties are at fault, not just Sin. like they are trying to say.

[jeiwolf.livejournal.com]

Sin. finished commissions and took new ones while mine was still outstanding. I am not asking her to provide me with my art first or when she has circumstances preventing it. However, when she completes works, takes new works, gives out freebies, and does not complete outstanding paid for work, there is an issue.

[clockworkshadow.livejournal.com]

Sin. can be a real sweetie when she's not in a bad mood [life does seem to be treating her poorly, so I can understand the mood], but I can agree that she's probably taken on way more than she can handle, and keeps taking on more without providing much.

I understand life gets scary, and when you need money, it's easy to panic and forget to handle things professionally.

The best possible answer right now would be to close commissions and finish what's outstanding, and then open commissions again.

And to be perfectly honest, if you're in a situation where you don't have a lot of available money, and can't have a fast turnover rate, it probably isn't wise to use commissions in place of a job.

I use commissions in place of a job because I have a backup income supporting me, and I have a high turnover rate.

I'm not bashing Sin, [or the op], she does try hard, but she needs to not take on so much, she's only hurting herself.

1/5

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

Hello,

(EDIT: I'm going to post this as a couple of comments because my character count FAR exceeds 4300 ;x;)

I'm sorry if this comment seems a bit too long, but I wanted to make sure I had everything...

I am in no way in a bad mood while writing this. <3

So let's start with the things people are asking for...

His responses:

1: http://i.imgur.com/M5zSg.png
2: http://i.imgur.com/NXEAb.png
3: http://i.imgur.com/XaucG.png
4: http://i.imgur.com/ausTc.png
5: http://i.imgur.com/nmRfX.png
6: http://i.imgur.com/XKfUY.png
7: http://i.imgur.com/0lVii.png
8: http://i.imgur.com/jLvlF.png
9: http://i.imgur.com/a3Fgb.png
10: http://i.imgur.com/8kp7x.png


Please pay attention to the dates, these are ALL the responses I've gotten from him in chronological order. I have

not missed a single one.

He has linked pretty much all of mine, but if you want I can go and get them myself as I still have all of them.~


So as you can see, though I did say something about doing 10 full color peices or something, we both decided (in messenger) that it was way too much so we narrowed it down to 10 chibis, and that is in fact, the first source of reference material he ever sent me.

Next,

PAY PAL TRANSACTIONS FROM December 3rd 2004 (I didn't know him then, I just wanted to pick a far back enough

number) TO January 20th 2012 (today): http://i.imgur.com/t4uNc.png

(I removed his last name for safteys sake, but Jake, if you require a full shot including your last name I can send

you that privatley without risk of an identity crisis)


Going in order of transactions.

$4 #1: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4759560/
$4 #2: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4830001/

Open the date on these and they should be within reasonable amount of time range of the first two transactions on

the paypal screenshot.


These were when I first met him I think, he liked my $4 chibis, bought one, his girlfriend loved them, so he bought

one for her as well.

Re: 1/5

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

I'm going to be blunt here, as a neutral moderator observer. All of your comments here telling your side are so extremely difficult to read that despite reading them all, I still don't know what you're objecting to and what your point is. Can you give a short summary of what it is you're disagreeing with without a line break after every sentence and just a bit more concise? To be honest, I would be surprised if many people will read what you posted, so your side might be lost because it's so hard to understand, and I would much prefer everyone have all the info they need to make a sturdy judgment.

To me, from what I could understand, it seemed like you were mostly just repeating a lot of the stuff the OP had already said/admitted to. I just can't figure out what you're trying to say overall.

2/5

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

He DID say, after schopenhauer linked him to both links to proove as progress, that he commissioned these two

following chibi commissions AFTER the $40, and had given me money for THESE seperate chibis in a seperate

transaction; his comment saying that is here: http://i.imgur.com/4Wqwe.png

I will now link both images with the date open, and the original links straight to the submission itself:

http://i.imgur.com/0E4zs.png - carrot draging MY character clay

Original FA submission: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5062479/

http://i.imgur.com/RU3S7.png - his character singing and my character on the drums playing rockband

Original FA submission: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5073405/

(If you aren't sure how to pull up the date yourself, look to the right where it says "Submission Information" and

By "Posted" it should say "A Year ago", click on "A year ago" and it should pop out with the exact date and time

that it was uploaded.~)

The last transaction in paypal was done MAY 3RD, 2011. You can see that I posted those chibis in JANUARY of 2011.


These were INDEED, two of the chibis I did that I owed him (From the $40). He and his girlfriend were not together at the time, so he came up with these two cute ideas ON HIS OWN. Again, this was done in messenger.


But I was doing a bit of research and belive I found what that $5 was for: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5687709/

he came into a livestream and said he wanted to get something for his friend that was feeling down, but he sent me

money and just insisted on paying for it. The time it was uploaded was around 2 AM of the next day which was

probably how long the stream lasted.

Now, something I don't have PROOF of but it did take place in messengers,

Carrot and Bee were together at the time of the original $40 commission.

They had broken up around sometime in December of reasons I know for sure but do not wish to give any personal

details of theirs.

Now, if you look at the comments in my "submission comment" under my icon on the two chibi's I just linked, it says

1 (or 2) / 15.

That IS indeed because, since most of the chibis were to be of him and Bee, we discussed in messenger that it was

no longer appropriate to have her in the chibis since they were indeed seperated and had seemed to have no interest

of getting back together soon from how the situation was at the time. Carrot and I discussed this over messenger,

and I agreed to give him 15 chibis, instead of the original 10, because it would more then likley be him, or my

character and his character, which, I wasn't going to make him pay for my character, just his, so I threw in 5

more.

3/5

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

Here is another one I did for him: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5801803/

I was holding a livestream, he came in, wanted a chibi, so I told him I would just draw him one from one I owed him

(use one of his slots), you can see in the transaction screenshot that he did not pay me for it, which was no

problem, I owed him a lot. This was done MAY 24TH and I did put $3 chibi in the title, simply because that's what I

was offering at the time in the stream and he wanted one so I was happy to oblige.


It is a little bit later (again, we discussed all of this in messenger and we have no records of this) that I

talked to him about two sketch pages, which I would just be drawing him only anyway hence the 15 chibis, so I could

draw about 10 things on each page and mail it to him, however I never MADE him accept it, we both came to a nice

casual agreement because it was an idea I shared with him, I never forced the idea upon him. (Not saying he said I

did, just making sure. ~)

After that, came the car commission. Now, this is LITTERALLY the only IDEA that I declined. It is a very new and

difficult angle/aspect/perspection point to me, I HAD attempted the sketch before I told them I couldn't do it, I

didn't save it, because I was unsatisfied with it.

Again, this is the only IDEA I declined because I said it was too hard. Everything else was NOT because of subject

matter I was uncomfortable with.

The next note,

if you read some of the above comments, it is stated that I "put in under an hour of work on the final product (car

commission)." I have chatlogs with Bee, showing our entire convorsation from when I first showed her the complete

sketch, all the way up until I gave her the final, revised, commission.

Here are some of the things taken out of the convorsation between me and her over skype dealing with the car

commission: (if you want to skip the convorsation, I stuck a TL;DR down there that explains it quickly)

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE CONVORSATION, IT WAS MUCH LONGER THEN THIS, I JUST TOOK MOST OF IT OUT TO SHORTEN IT.

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [1/11/2012 10:39:31 PM] *** Beccaa sent IMG_11012012_223930.png ***
[1/11/2012 10:39:38 PM] Beccaa: I haven't drawn eyes yet
[1/11/2012 10:39:46 PM] Beccaa: that's usually the last thing I draw
[1/11/2012 10:40:37 PM] Beccaa: or the detail on the steering wheel
[1/11/2012 10:40:49 PM] Beccaa: it's missing a bit but I have all the poses down

*this is when I sent the complete sketch, she responded asking me to add a few things, which I obliged*

[1/11/2012 11:24:12 PM] *** Beccaa sent IMG_11012012_232411.png ***
[1/11/2012 11:24:18 PM] Beccaa: is that good enough to be colored
[1/11/2012 11:27:03 PM] Beccaa: Can I get a response ?
[1/11/2012 11:28:08 PM] Beeasaurus Rex: Yep, go right ahead.
[1/11/2012 11:28:19 PM] Beeasaurus Rex: Thanks for checking with me

*this is after I made the changes she asked for and went ahead and lined the commission*

[1/12/2012 12:38:44 AM] *** Beccaa sent IMG_12012012_003844.png ***
[1/12/2012 12:40:31 AM] Beccaa: This good ?
[1/12/2012 12:40:54 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: Sure
[1/12/2012 12:40:56 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: Thanks

*this is after I sent her the finished peice; Now from here on, I got agitated and told her I spent hours working

on this, because I knew there was something wrong with the peice for her to just give me a simple answer like that*

[1/12/2012 12:41:02 AM] Beccaa: ...sure ?
[1/12/2012 12:41:26 AM] Beccaa: I just spent hours straight working hardcore on this thing
[1/12/2012 12:42:05 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: You seem to have forgotten about my note on Taernost's muzzle stripe, even

after I reminded you of it, but other than that, it looks fine.
[1/12/2012 12:42:10 AM] Beccaa: Uhm
[1/12/2012 12:42:13 AM] Beccaa: zoom in honey
[1/12/2012 12:42:17 AM] Beccaa: it's purple
[1/12/2012 12:42:25 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: Those are muzzle triangles, not a stripe down his face.
[1/12/2012 12:42:25 AM] Beccaa: it's just outlined in black
[1/12/2012 12:42:31 AM] Beccaa: AS he explained it
[1/12/2012 12:42:45 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: And please don't patronize me with endearments when you clearly have

nothing but ill feelings toward me.
[1/12/2012 12:42:50 AM] Beccaa: how the fuck am I supposed to know what stripe and where down his face

*yes I was clearly agitated, and shouldn't have acted as rude as I did...*

*this is ALL I got on the "stripe on his face" I wasn't given a where or the type of stripe:
"[Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:18 PM] Taernost: all I can think to say is normal red fox head, with a black muzzle

stripe with a purple stripe in the black one, but I'm not sure how to describe that any better and will not worry

enough about it to deal with trying to do" *

[1/12/2012 12:43:06 AM] Beccaa: I assumed he meant fox stripes
[1/12/2012 12:43:15 AM] Beccaa: muzzle stripe
[1/12/2012 12:43:17 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: "A" black muzzle "stripe" =/= side muzzle triangles
[1/12/2012 12:43:26 AM] Beccaa: they aren't triangles lol
[1/12/2012 12:43:32 AM] Beccaa: those are fox muzzle markings
[1/12/2012 12:44:10 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: Well, your assumption was incorrect, but regardless. Would you like to fix

it or would you like me to say it's fine and to leave it as is?
[1/12/2012 12:44:33 AM] Beccaa: I would like you to tell me exactly what you want so I don't fuck it up and have to

change it later
[1/12/2012 12:44:36 AM] Beccaa: stripes can be
[1/12/2012 12:44:38 AM] Beccaa: horozontal
[1/12/2012 12:44:40 AM] Beccaa: vertical
[1/12/2012 12:44:49 AM] Beccaa: and you never said where on the muzzle
[1/12/2012 12:44:49 AM] Beccaa: so
[1/12/2012 12:44:53 AM] Beccaa: I assumed he meant
[1/12/2012 12:44:57 AM] Beccaa: regular muzzle markings

*her telling me exactly what I needed:
"[1/12/2012 12:45:10 AM] Beeasaurus Rex: Please adjust it to be a vertical black stripe down his face,

approximately from just under the headfluff running down his face and down his muzzle to his nose, with a purple

stripe directly inside the center of the black one."*

[1/12/2012 12:49:55 AM] *** Beccaa sent bee car commission.png ***
There
[1/12/2012 12:50:04 AM] Beccaa: Enjoy. ~

*after I fixed everything and sent it the last time* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

4/5

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

TL;DR Now the time between when I sent the full sketch [10:39:31 PM] and the revised commission [12:49:55 AM]
was a bit over two hours, this is EXCLUDING the time I spent sketching the peice, which is indeed the longest

process for me. I spent a lot more then under an hour on this commission, and it's very difficult for me to do a

background of the inside of a car, so I honestly did it the best I could; honestly I wasn't happy with the angle

and such but it was a difficult one for me to portray, and I did the best I could.

5/5

[thelegendofsin.livejournal.com]

Onto my last note,

I have NEVER declined a refund to him. Ever, it's against my moral code and even my T.O.S .

screenshot of my refund policy: http://i.imgur.com/ltZGS.png

Here is the original FA journal of my T.O.S: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2120135/

As you can see, it says "UNLESS, I have NOT STARTED on your commission you may NOT get a refund."
I promise you I didn't sketch out ALL 10 chibis. I would have gladly refunded him if he told me that's what he

wanted.

A while back, it was in messenger when we discussed this, earlier 2011, we were talking about a refund, I did

indeed tell him I couldn't afford it, because I litterally couldn't. I couldn't just pull the $40 out of nowhere, I

DID indeed tell him I would pay him back if that's what he wanted; that I'd give him the money when and as soon as

I got it, but he told me that he really just wanted his art.

You can read in the note he posted (this one:http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums.....nevidence6.png)

that I did indeed intend to offer a refund. And that has never been any different.



After all of this, and even before some of it, I'm sorry for over reacting when I did, it was uncalled for and I

was unprofessional at times. I do admit to being disorganized, I have indeed shut down my commissions, I have not

accepted any more money or any new commissions. I have been working hard on my backlog/queue.

I will NOT accept anymore commissions until it is done.

If you have read all of this and still do not want to commission me, I don't blame you in the slightest. ~ In fact,

I encourage you to hold strong to your opinions. But just make sure it's for the right reasons, I mean no one's

forcing you to commission me, but you shouldn't pick your artists on someone else's opinon. I swear that I have

given the truth and nothing but the truth, I know that holds about 0 proof in itself, but again, it's your choice

and opinions that influence you to believe me.

I have had 0 ill feelings in this comment, I only feel that it is my duty to repair ONLY what I have broken, and

learn from my mistakes. That being said, unless I mis-typed something in my comment or did not make something

clear, I have said what I wanted to say, shared my side of the story, and the only things I will be further saying

is if anyone has any questions about what I just mentioned (me not making thigs clear enough, etc.)

Those of you who respected me, thank you.


Sincerely,
- Sin.

Re: 5/5

[poizenkat.livejournal.com]

It's always nice when an artist comes and shows their side of the story in a mature way. It seems that both are in the wrong in different ways, but I'm glad that you admit to it while it does seem like the other side has been telling quite a few lies.