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[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

WHO:  Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom


WHERE:  http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).

WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".


WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.


As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.


These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]



Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]



Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg




Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg



Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg



Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]




Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.


Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.



As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.

Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg  [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg   [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.


Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.



Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg



http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

Comments

[finneganhound.livejournal.com]

/sigh

it's ridiculous that people will flip their shit over anyone else tracing one or two things, but if you have pretty solid evidence revealing partial traces from 8 different pieces, and everyone is like 'nope. i don't see it.'

[zackfig.livejournal.com]

The problem is that evidence was tainted because most of the overlays had the "reference" distorted and that was proven later on by other users when they tried to match the originals, as is, with kee's works and couldn't.

[ocelotish]

I'm not sure if you've read through the rest of the comments, but the evidence has been examined and many people have found it to be "not solid" based on how little is in line, the nature of the areas "copied," and the lines actually not being in alignment.

Furthermore the eight overlays originally posted have found to be distorted in addition to being scaled meaning even fewer body parts are in alignment. The artist in question has also supplied reference that the art matches much more closely that the art the OP alleges is copied.

Everything put together makes for a really weak case.

[stormslegacy.livejournal.com]

If you believe the evidence to be solid, try to replicate them yourself. You'll see it's not black and white at all.

[lackoflollies.livejournal.com]

considering you are someone who made a journal calling Kee out as a coward for blocking you when you were trolling and spamming her, i'm going to dismiss anything you say here due to bias.

[fastbreak333.livejournal.com]

/sigh

it's ridiculous when friends of the op suddenly come by to defend her honor because nobody agrees with her, but if we decided that they were traces, they wouldn't have come by here in the first place

(frozen) well

[schopenpanda.livejournal.com]

it's funny how you guys think that torsos are the easiest part to get to "look right," when i see boatloads of shapeless female figures on FA and know that plenty of artists struggle with the hip area.

(frozen) Re: well

[ocelotish]

And do they do better on hands?

(frozen) Re: well

[schopenpanda.livejournal.com]

some people have a natural knack for certain things.
there is no definitive list of things ordered by difficulty to draw.

it's different for everybody.


just because you can draw a hand does not mean that you can grasp the concept of a shapely woman.

[squirrelly-kaku.livejournal.com]

I'm going to try to compile all of the evidence here to maybe help people who don't want to sift through 400+ comments to see why many of us are disagreeing that tracing took place.

1. The original overlays posted above were (unintentionally) manipulated to stretch and distort to fit the lines of the accused tracing. Fixed overlays were created to show that the originals were tampered with, and therefore not solid evidence.

Proof here: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/542457.html?thread=20397817#t20397817

2. The poses in all of the art are extremely generic. A couple of which not even matching in perspective, although OP claims that they still match up line for line when tilted and rotated around. Do that with anyone's art, and you're bound to find similarities and matched up lines, even if obvious there was no reference/tracing involved.

Example here: http://i.imgur.com/49AbO.jpg

3. The aspect of bias is heavily prevalent in OP's tone and words, considering how she has acted off the site, twisting many of the commenters' words here that we're saying "it's ok to partially trace", instead of our real words of saying that "we do not see the trace". Not to mention she also sent a snarky message to the accused.

Journals linked here: http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/542457.html?thread=20365305#t20365305
The message here: http://i43.tinypic.com/1z4ygco.png

4. The accused has come forward to provide the actual references she has used, which match the "traced" work much more than what the OP was arguing.

Journal here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2947590/
Examples:
http://i39.tinypic.com/211v5nm.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/a88ko.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/28wf81f.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/1zxxeg9.jpg

In conclusion, I personally believe that the OP was blind with her bias and history with this person, and thus got over zealous thinking that because one or two small lines added up, that meant that she and many other artists were being traced. This has since been debunked with evidence provided by the accused, and the members of the community. Take from it what you will.

[squirrelly-kaku.livejournal.com]

I should also note, because I forgot to, many of those links are NSFW! Sorry for forgetting to say so in the post.

[hunter-san.livejournal.com]

Oops missed this. Disregard my comment :)

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

I guess that seals it for me. :C No tracing involved.

[anjel-kitty.livejournal.com]

Thank you for compiling this. I think this is pretty much the best evidence in this post the Kee did not trace Acorn's art, as we've been saying all along. Also thank you for calmly and civilly taking part in this discussion. You are a credit to this community

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

I want to add this in here, a new overlay with one of the examples Acorn thought was "stronger" and also particularly upset about because of the subject

Example 6 overlay (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example6acorn3.gif) of 3 pieces: Acorn's piece, Kee's piece, and the photo Kee says was her reference.

I think it's clear her piece follows the the reference photo in the contested areas much more closely than Acorn's piece.

[hunter-san.livejournal.com]

Can you nsfw the final links that qualify? I was just surprised at work. :p i do really appreciate this write up or i'd never have known about the distortions or that very out of liine message.

I would consider this more a warning against Op? Eitherway i am not convinced of kee's guilt and find her art quite charming. (Watched until definative proof is provided!)

[kayla-la.livejournal.com]

Once a comment has been replied to, it can't be edited, so..

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Whoops, sorry :X I forgot not all the links were NSFW.
EDIT: doublewhoops, thought this was a reply to one of my posts XD

[squirrelly-kaku.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry that I had forgotten to mention it in the big post. XD;; Didn't mean to surprise anyone! I never saw an option to actually edit my post. :C

Once more

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

I wasn't going to do more overlays without a new development, and I think Kee listing her references counts as a new development.

Here is example 6, again, now with Acorn's picture, kee's picture, and the photo kee gave as her reference:

Example 6, part III (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example6acorn3.gif)

As you can see, the photo kee gave fits the same areas Acorn had claimed were traced from hers, only better. In fact there's an angle on the thigh (right under the hand in Kee's picture) that is in the photo as well as Kee's piece.
THIS actually does make me wonder if the picture was traced from the photo as the evidence is much stronger than any of Acorn's examples (as celarania would say, now there are 3 points that line up perfectly) BUT it could just be a coincidence again, since in this case artist was already following the photo as a ref. Perhaps they just happened to put in three lines very accurately.

I think the claim that Kee traced the thigh on Acorn's work, then later found a photo that fit her piece better is a bit preposterous, and essentially invalidates Acorn's claim that her examples are so close it couldn't be accidental. (because then you shouldn't be able to do it with another, unrelated piece)

Re: Once more

[sigilgoat.livejournal.com]

I would say she probably didn't trace it as the entire other side of the ribcage doesn't match up.

The photo she said she used certainly looks more like the picture than the one provided by Acorn.

Why only trace one line when you could trace a little more and get a more accurate looking form?

Re: Once more

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Right! I just meant in this case, the left hip lines up with the photo exactly, even where it maybe shouldn't (I think the flatness of the left hip is an artifact of the cloth, a naked hip wouldn't flatten like that)
But as you say, considering it is only the left side and 3 lines, I don't think it's definitive proof of tracing. Just much stronger than anything Acorn put up.

Re: Once more

[ocelotish]

I would say that with just three it's unlikely that it was traced (as opposed to the 10 or so you'd get on a face or hand), but yeah, the more points lining up, the more convincing it is and it is more convincing than the OP's.

Re: Once more

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

I don't think she was tracing that either. If she used that photo to reference the waist area, then her picture turned out pretty much like I would expect. When you quickly reference a certain small part of the body, it does sometimes looks very similar to the photo.

[neolucky.livejournal.com]

I'm absolutely appalled at Acorns behavior at this point. Seems she seems to get "similar poses" mixed up with "exact lines" and absolutely none of these layovers are convincing me otherwise. The artist could have easily references from photos, or someone elses art - And I'm not saying that's okay. Its absolutely not in terms of tracing. But Acorns got nothing here, and I think we've all beaten the 'proof' to death. It's clear Acorn has no intentions of trying to look at this from any other view but her own.

This post was nothing but grudge, including childish behavior, threats of various kinds, and ignorance I haven't seen in a long time.

Acorn, you are black listed permanently in my eyes. Your behavior is completely unprofessional, and I would no sooner work with you then I would suggest you to -anyone- of my customers. I hope you understand that talk goes a long way in the art field, and this will have an impact on you.

Im just really somewhat infuriated at this post.