Traced YCBH

[lackoflollies.livejournal.com]

WHO: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/clarityangeldragon/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/eraviadragonfly/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/Roxanna/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/pixenvixen/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/skypropony

WHERE: FurAffinity.net

WHAT: Digital YCH auction that was traced

WHEN: 6/20/2014

PROOF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0q78lkqvvmnw9v6/FireShot%20Screen%20Capture%20%23040%20-%20%27TCBY%20by%20ClarityAngelDragon%20--%20Fur%20Affinity%20%5Bdot%5D%20net%27%20-%20www_furaffinity_net_view_13769477_%23cid_84313695.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l1c8uhphnorw4b/FireShot%20Screen%20Capture%20%23041%20-%20%27Userpage%20of%20clarityangeldragon%20--%20Fur%20Affinity%20%5Bdot%5D%20net%27%20-%20www_furaffinity_net_user_clarityangeldragon.png

Original image; http://puu.sh/9EyrP/2ecf3723c9.jpg
http://puu.sh/9Eyu1/c0f812b70b.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1z1a5vd.jpg - This was a layover she posted on her own to prove she didn't trace, it's since been removed.

Image provided by the tracer as the original image she attempted to make money from; http://theperfectpose.com/HowToPose/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bride-alone-poses-1.jpg

New, closer overlay provided by a member of the community, showing the tracer's overlay was skewed and warped in her 'evidence', and the image is in fact, very traced, at minimum very heavily referenced without citing the source on the original auction to begin with; https://www.dropbox.com/s/gem52e82kbk0jil/trace.png

EXPLAIN: I happened across this image while browsing, looking through her gallery, and the image itself, it's clearly traced. I commented as you can see above asking the artist to cite her source, and the image was replaced with the above overlay as 'proof' she didn't trace. This artist attempted to trace a photograph for monetary gain, and should be avoided.

Comments

[christina richards (from livejournal.com)]

I have nothing to hide and don't mind :3
I also encourage everyone who doesn't beleive me to join my streams.
I tried messaging Mander to do the same, but of course I am blocked...

http://theperfectpose.com/HowToPose/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bride-alone-poses-1.jpg

Anyways, again I encourage everyone to view my streams for commissions. Beleive with your eyes not what you read. :3 I know they look simular, but I tell you they aren't, and if you want I can redraw the picture and record my screen as well. That is how certain I am that I don't belong on A_B from a silly hater.

[lovelesskiax.livejournal.com]

I just did my own overlay with the image, and frankly everything is wayyyy too close for comfort.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gem52e82kbk0jil/trace.png
If you were merely referencing (which even if you did it's required in FA's rules to state your reference sources) it wouldn't make sense that almost every fold matches up.
I'm sorry but I'm sticking to the fact that it's traced.

[christina richards (from livejournal.com)]

Did you morf my original picture..? Honestly it looks like you did. I drew the dress longer than that. Also look at the ruffles closer...Want me to red circle all the differences? There are many lines that arent exact. I thnk you all just want to start drama. :/

[lovelesskiax.livejournal.com]

No, I didn't, I held shift during transform to keep the original size of the image as I tried to scale it correctly (it's something you can do in SAI).
There are some that are different, yes, but many that match that I could also point out as well.
And no, I'm not, I'm putting my input in as well. This community is for discussion, not "trolling drama from haters" as you seem to be making it out to be.

[christina richards (from livejournal.com)]

Shift does what now?
Also yes you can place your imput, but do you want me to red line all the differences because i still see lines that dont like up, and i dont mean the arms.
As for the FA rules they change so often I don't even know anymore.
There are days you can't do something and days you can.

[lovelesskiax.livejournal.com]

If you hold shift when using the transform option on a layer, it keeps the original size and shape of the image so there is no warping of the image. It allows you to re-scale something without accidentally making it too wide or long.

It's not necessary, because I believe the sketch was done with no pen pressure (as it seems to me) so the sketch lines are very sharp and of course not going to match up exactly with the dress's folds. My point is very specific folding areas (like the "v" where the front and side of the dress start to come together, for example) match up too well to have it simply be referencing.
And the rules are the same (unless stated in an update), it's the admin's call on things. You still need to cite your sources.

[christina richards (from livejournal.com)]

Well I know that now, thank you. I still did not trace. But of course as I said maybe 100 times now xD I can redraw while recording it x3 I just want my name clean. :3

[lovelesskiax.livejournal.com]

Redrawing won't solve the problem, really this beware is more a statement of something you have done (which is gone now but still shouldn't have been done) and a warning that you may do it in the future.
The best route you could have taken (a bit too late for it) would have been to come and calmly admitted to it, or shown some more evidence and try to explain without claiming this was posted out of spite and claiming OP was a troll. The additional angry posts on FA don't help either. I understand this isn't a pleasant situation, but it's not professional.
I advise that if this ever happens again try to completely leave your feelings out of it and just try to calmly explain your point of view with evidence. If you really did trace, it would be 100% better for you to admit it and just move on from it. It's a much better route than continuously saying you didn't when there's evidence you did.

[christina richards (from livejournal.com)]

No you misunderstand, I am not a tracer. Proof bellow. The line art started linning up again in the video.
Yes I referenced, and did put the reference in the descrition to the repost. But alright, I wont reference again :3

[lovelesskiax.livejournal.com]

You...didn't even draw the part that was traced in the video, it proves nothing. If anything that just makes it more apparent the original was traced.
Sorry but I'm not budging on the original post being traced.

[sacch.livejournal.com]

Referencing isn't tracing.

http://diikae.deviantart.com/art/Tracing-vs-Referencing-207873512
http://shattered-earth.deviantart.com/art/The-BASICS-Using-References-255875213

Please read up on these images/articles on what referencing is versus tracing. They're extremely helpful.

[spiritlobo.livejournal.com]

No one's telling you not to reference - We're telling you not to trace.
Your source should always be in your original post - because you're using information from another person. It's a matter of respect.

[kestral-kitsune.livejournal.com]

i'm just staring at the screen shot and the ref you posted, and the even with how small the screenshot is, that dress is too spot on to not have been heavily eyeballed/and/or traced. only thing not matching is a missed ruffle or two which threw me off when I originally saw that submission and passed by it.

[lovelesskiax.livejournal.com]

Since the original was deleted I was using the screen-shot of the original post from OP for comparison, shame I didn't have the original to use for better clarity. :C
But I agree, even with a ruffle or two not matching (which could have been done purposely) it's still too close.

[kestral-kitsune.livejournal.com]

yeah, and it already had that -the dress is traced- vibe when I saw it the first time.

[celestinaketzia.livejournal.com]

I lined it up myself out of curiosity and got the exact same results.

[lovelesskiax.livejournal.com]

Then I think that just solidifies it further that it was traced.

[sacch.livejournal.com]

This person isn't a "silly hater," they are warning people of bad business practices, which they rightly accused you of.

http://i.imgur.com/TOQTkEL.png

I fail to see how this isn't traced. Too many lines match and it's way too close for comfort.

You can claim you're not tracing until you're blue in the face, but the evidence is pretty damning. Tracing someone else's work and then selling it off as your own is not only extremely shady, it's illegal if the image is not free to use or not specified as stock for manipulation or tracing.

You are displaying extremely unprofessional behavior. Please improve your own work and reference and practice. Tracing will hinder your ability as an artist; believe me, I know. Honesty will get you farther than shady business practices and stealing other people's work.