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[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

WHO:  Kee/Kyme/Inarolyn/Iaz/Janks/Len/Neicom


WHERE:  http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kee (all the above are also FA accounts that she has hopped between, but Kee is her current).

WHAT: Tracing. Most of the traces are partial and have been "frankensteined".


WHEN: This has been going on for awhile from what I have been able to figure.

EXPLAIN: Again, I was asked to post this here by several people after compiling multiple instances of her tracing of recent. A lot of people felt a public warning should be made, since she jumps accounts quite frequently. She's also traced several times in the past, but I haven't been able to locate the originals.


As an example, this is art from five-six months ago that she drew while living with me:
http://i44.tinypic.com/jzodv.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/jgo415.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/jt5hj5.png
She's never traced while living with me because I had gotten onto her in the past for copying other artists.


These are the traces I've found evidence of:
First example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820740/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6820732/    [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6595400/ [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg    [NSFW]



Second example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6894553/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6577848/    [NSFW]
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/25r1sh1.png   [NSFW]



Third example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898927
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6703170/
Overlay:
http://i39.tinypic.com/otfbcw.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/34r617b.jpg




Fourth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898413
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6057168/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/fljxvr.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/14m5abk.jpg



Fifth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898388
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6789179/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ppzyx4.jpg



Sixth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6807846/
Traced from:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5060030/
Overlay:
http://i42.tinypic.com/yyp01.jpg

Edit:
Got shown these ones last night:
Seventh example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898399   [NSFW]
Traced from:
http://i42.tinypic.com/aekvg5.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i41.tinypic.com/ohis69.jpg   [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a7v9c4.png    [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/wsw93q.png    [NSFW]

Eighth example:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6811551/
Traced from:
http://i40.tinypic.com/zupcli.png     [NSFW]
Overlays:
http://i44.tinypic.com/350nrxh.jpg     [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/1042nn6.jpg    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/kdx5b8.jpg   [NSFW]




Almost all the traces have been of artists whom she's watching, the only exception being my own art.


Suspected traces:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6852690/       [NSFW]
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6898425/    [NSFW]
http://i44.tinypic.com/xdruq0.jpg (from 2010)       [NSFW]
http://i42.tinypic.com/14kifzn.jpg (from 2010)     [NSFW]

There were a few others that were TCBY commissions that I am certain were traced, but I never saved the files.



As is evidenced, her anatomy flipflops from really well done, to filled with errors. If anyone can provide originals for some of the suspected traces, it'd be appreciated as well. NO ONE improves that greatly in a five month period, drawing as rarely as she does. I don't think everything she uploads/draws is traced, but much of it is.

Edit: Here's some more overlays with varying opacity's to give a clearer idea of where the lines are a perfect match.
http://i44.tinypic.com/206fmvt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2s9alas.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2gw7v3o.jpg  [nsfw]
http://i43.tinypic.com/1j9nit.jpg   [nsfw]

Edit2:
I'm redacting my allegations of tracing, as I really don't want to be involved in any drama with this person to start with.


Edit3: I'm sorry, to make it more clear, I am retracting my allegations as there isn't sufficient evidence of tracing going on. I have posted apologies here and on FA.



Fixed overlays with proper aspect ratio:
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg

Here it is in 3 different colors, still matching in the same areas. (I rotated it quickly, so it's not the exact same as the other overlays, but I'm too tired to redo all this again just to be perfect for the naysayers).
http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/de6ycw.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/mil4kh.jpg



http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png

There is no WAY any of the above have been distorted, as I did use the shift key as I was told.

Comments

[ocelotish]

OP, I can't believe how you keep whining on FA about this. Your newest mention is absurd: Edit: I don't know why my personal journals and my character are being attacked now. I got told in IM that people are now posting my journals there?
It isn't my fault that they are being thrown out for the reasons listed above. The lines match perfectly, I can't keep arguing it. If you'd rather look at my past with this person than the evidence provided, it's not my problem. It's pretty much out of my hands at this point as I did what I was asked to.

Your personal journals and character are being attacked because you are misrepresenting the community's response there. That is not proper behavior. In addition, the way you are continuing to post on and on about how unfair it is, possibly in relation to a friend, goes to show that you will only be happy if this person is "caught," you don't want a fair decision.

The lines do not match perfectly. I can't tell you how many times I've said this is the problem. I did not come in here with a grudge against you, I didn't know you. I did not come in with a bias towards the artist (I didn't know her). I'm not even part of the same fanart community, I don't know your history with the artist, and I'm okay tracing as a learning tool and when done legally, so trust me when I say that I'm relatively objective when it comes to looking at it for traced lines and I didn't see them. I saw general similarities, yes, and I would not be surprised if the artist references the pictures, but that's not what the claim is.

How dare you try to twist everyone's words so it looks like we're excusing "bad" behavior! That is your fault. You are continuing the drama and quickly making this into a beware of yourself. There's nothing wrong with seeing tracing, having other people disagree, and agreeing to disagree. There is something wrong with twisting people words and continually whining about the meanies at a_b saying how it was okay when that wasn't what was said and continuing to play the victim.

We would not be having these comments if your journals consisted of "A_B didn't see the traces/the way the images lined up. I can't believe it! It's so obvious to me!" In addition, I think you need to realize why it's being dismissed more readily in the torsos as not tracing at all - there are not as many landmarks in a torso as there are in a face. If you can get a full face to line up that includes the two corners of the eye (2), possibly the iris/pupil (1), the eyebrow (1), the nose (1), the curve of the muzzle (1), the angle going down to the mouth (1), the mouth itself (1), the chin (1), the jaw line (1), and possibly ear placement (1), and the ear itself (I'm simplifying it to 1, though it would probably be more), which makes a grand total of 8-11 distinct points lining up perfectly in probably one overlay, in the simplest case of the profile. In your layovers, you may have hip #1 (1), hip #2 (1), and waist on one side (1) - that's 3 points somewhat lining up. You see the dramatic difference even in the number of landmarks lining up regardless of how well they line up, line for line? The same is true of a hand. That's why people are usually caught on faces and hands - they're the most complex, so they offer the most landmarks, and they're hard to draw - it's easy to get a general torso shape, so if you're going to trace anything it would be head, hands, and feet, not just a general torso.

[mgsfriedchicken.livejournal.com]

:/ Completely invalid beware. Agreeing with everyone else this sounds like a grudge post.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

Again, my past with this person had nothing to do with this A_B.

There's no reasons the lines should match up so perfectly if it was just referenced or coincidence. (Even stylistic choices in some parts).
Yes, it feels as if you are disregarding the perfect matches because of past history, regardless of the fact that I found all these matches in less than an hour and put off posting here for several days because I expected this kind of reaction.

I feel that, had it been someone else who had no dealings with her, this would have been viewed more seriously and objectively.

My personal feelings and journals shouldn't be posted here either. Anyone can come here and see what you have said.


As I said in my journal, it is no longer my problem.

[sigilgoat.livejournal.com]

By making more journals on FA and blatantly leaving out what people have actually been saying on A_B, you're making your situation look terrible only on your side.

Whether you admit to it or not, you have a following of over 3,500 people on FA. Your personal feelings are very public in this regard if you use FA for your outlet.

This is why many artists (myself included) have friends-only livejournals or private facebooks or twitter accounts to vent. We don't bring our personal lives into our professional circles to avoid this very problem.

I hope you do learn some sort of lesson from this.

[bumblybutt.livejournal.com]

All I can really say about any of this is that now I don't know how I would ever feel about attempting to out anyone I see as a tracer. Especially if they're not tracing faces and hands, now. I also feel like because of this entire post it'll be incredibly hard to ever out someone who is frakensteining.

Even if any of this is crap because of Acorn's past or whatever, the general pushing aside of any of this makes it seem, to me, that any cases in the future will be better left unposted. I know a couple people who frankenstein trace a couple of artists I know on FA. Definitely not going to try and compile evidence since it's not just hands and faces being traced.

I know that's not what anyone is saying word for word but it is the FEELING that comes across with all of these comments dismissing the whole thing. Good luck with the whole situation, everyone. This whole thing seems like an unnecessary attack on Acorn now instead of just staying focused. (Not saying Acorn is in the right for anything either, just stating what I see happening now).

[ocelotish]

The anger in the comments is not due to the OP being "wrong" it is due to her inability to accept that people disagree with her. If she had said "I guess you don't see what I see, I still think she's a tracer" I probably wouldn't agree, but there's a world of difference between that and how she handled it.

I also want to point out that the reason heads and hands were brought up is because while they tend to be where tracers are caught, more than anything they have a lot of landmarks that will line up well. If there are that many landmarks on something else, yes, it will probably be accepted as traced too.

This whole thing seems like an unnecessary attack on Acorn now instead of just staying focused.

Acorn has repeatedly badmouthed the community in her journal, misrepresenting what has been said and claiming that there was some sort of bias based on her history. She began the drama when questioning objectivity and misrepresenting the fact deliberately.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

OK I feel like I'm talking too much here but I keep finding out new stuff about these "examples"

In example one (http://i44.tinypic.com/s1kksm.jpg), at least, not only is the overlay resized, IT IS ALSO DISTORTED. The overlay of kee's piece is exact, the one by Ajna has been stretched vertically to make things fit. I have tried to overlay the original piece by Ajna and the example overlay and the one in the overlay has clearly been stretched vertically.

I don't know how much time I want to spend going through and seeing if this is the same with each of your samples, and how I can post my own overlays without being a confusing mess, but folks can look for themselves. Maybe later I will see if there's a way to show this.

I'm sorry, but yes, if you stretch and distort an image of a woman standing enough, you can make the waist hip ratio line up somewhat since you've been distorting the waist/hip of one to match the other

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry if it appears distorted, I use Sai and Sai's ratio thing fucks up sometimes. It probably doesn't help that I did it while sick and not fully aware. You can make your own overlays, if necessary.

At this point, I'm just incredibly tired and frustrated with this whole thing.

[sevalprincess.livejournal.com]

I see the tracing. And just cause some of you don't agree doesn't give you the right to attack Acorn.....
I'm just saying....

[marus-puppy.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure I've seen anyone attack Acorn and I've been reading most of these threads. Could you please point me to such a comment?

[megumi-kitten.livejournal.com]

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I can see most of these as Frankenstein, or at least you can see the artist was heavily inspired by such pieces. While the latter isn't a bad thing, the first one is a no-no.

[astraldescent.livejournal.com]

I was leaning towards that as well until I saw some posts above which showed that the images used by acorn in the overlays were squished/stretched to fit the other drawings. It may be on accident, but the pictures dont match without manipulation.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

I've gone ahead and posted a public apology to FA.

I also wish to apologize here, I acted very rashly and did get frustrated and angry over the way I started to be treated, as well as how the whole situation was treated.

I did contact admins, who contacted me back and acknowledged that there are quite a few that line up far too much. They are only going to issue the user a warning for now, and informed her that she must cite sources, since the images were changed enough that they aren't complete traces. If the user continues, they will give her a suspension.


I just want to apologize if I came off as rude. I can get irritated and frustrated with other people very easily, but it's no excuse for my responses and actions towards the people here.

[astraldescent.livejournal.com]

I don't think its right that someone is going to get a warning for overlays which were squished/stretched to fit. Even if you did not do it intentionally, it has been shown clearly that there is some form of manipulation that happened to the images in the overlays, therefore it is not "real" proof because the images DO NOT line up without the manipulation that occurred.

Whether it was an accident or not... I think it's wrong that this person is going to get in trouble for this now, when the evidence was manipulated. If the manipulation was negligible and it still lined up with or without it, it'd be one thing... but they don't line up without it.

[peludrax.livejournal.com]

Eh, I know I'm poking at this post with a stick at this point, but I see a bunch of relatively overused poses common to furry art...and that's pretty much it. A lot of these poses or things similar can be found on posemaniacs.

[ananamoos.livejournal.com]

Hi I'm going to keep my opinions about this private, since I don't want anyone riding my ass about this.

I will say though.

That everyone here seems silly. Everyone attacking Acorn seems silly, Acorn seems silly, everything here is silly.

It's the internet people, things happen. Don't get your panties in a bunch about it.

[stormslegacy.livejournal.com]

Maybe you don't understand how the internet works--some artists make much of their money online. Entire businesses are online only. Hell, posts like this are legally libel that smears someone's business name. In the end, it's not "just the internet." This is a very serious accusation.

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

Woah this entry got crazy fast. I don't think she meant it as a grudge post, but I can easily see why it's viewed that way. Unfortunately just not enough evidence for people and she mis-interpreted the differign opinions.

She's posted a journal apologizing for her post and behavior here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2945041/

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

Woah, beaten fast.

[spiffystuff.livejournal.com]

Well, since I already did all the work, and one person requested to see it, here is the problem:
Every example is distorted.
I've done overlays with the linked pieces and the overlays, sometimes with redline traces to make the reference points clearer.
(most of these are probably NSFW)

Example 1 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example1acorn.gif)
Example 2 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example2acorn.gif)
Example 3a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example3aacorn.gif)
Example 3b (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example3bacorn.gif)
Example 4a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example4aacorn.gif)
Example 4b (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example4bacorn.gif)
Example 5 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example5acorn.gif)
Example 6 (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example6acorn.gif)
Example 7a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example7a.gif)
(I did not do the other two overlays in this series)
Example 8a (http://www.spiffyspace.com/misc/example8aacorn.gif)
Example 8b (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v29/kakurine/y8tn2gio.png) by squirrelly_kakuposted here (http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/542457.html?thread=20388601#t20388601).
(I did not do the other two overlays in this series)

[sbneko.livejournal.com]

Wow. Ok, I can completely see someone distorting a bit by accident, every time I resize something it can be a little longer, squished, but just a little bit. These though? They're so squished and stretched that I find it really hard to believe she didn't notice what so ever that they weren't done well.

[lackoflollies.livejournal.com]

If admins are issuing warnings/bans for distorted evidence, I am now afraid to submit ANYTHING, because someone out there who dislikes me will warp and distort a picture to make it look like a trace, subsequently getting me banned.

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

Well, Kee hasn't gotten banned yet. If this does go through to one of the mods, hopefully they'll be pointed to this article and it will be cleared up.

I wonder if Kee knows about this.

[vellacraptor.livejournal.com]

I have to agree, while it's obvious some images may be inspired, I don't think it was a direct trace. Even frankensteining only a few lines add up, and they're lines are are rather crucial to the human form that never really change. There's only so many ways to draw a waist, and if she's getting inspiration from these people, of course her style with somewhat mimic theirs.

Heck, I could probably google some poses and have them match up with my own images, which I KNOW I didn't trace.

I've had someone call out a friend for tracing before too, and they found a pretty damn close overlay, but I know for a fact she didn't trace either.

Either way, just my two cents even though the whole thing is over and done with.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

Since someone here told me how to use shift to preserve aspect ratio, I went and created more overlays using Sai's transform + shift key.

This one is still dead on through most of the hips/waist/body, and I think she did intentionally trace that one because of who it was for and the fact that I drew it.
http://i43.tinypic.com/55oxgo.jpg


I did it with this one just to test it with other images, and I do see where it may have gotten distorted in my initial post. Looking at it now, it's either a trace that was heavily modified, or just heavily referenced.
http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg (sorry for not fixing the color of it to be unsaturated like my initial post).


Anyways, I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused, and I want to thank you all for helping me to see I was wrong and also showing me how to retain proper proportions when scaling things.



I would have done this earlier, but I was gone out of town for awhile.

[otherscape.livejournal.com]

The first one doesn't match at all. I had to do the overlay myself to see it, but the lines near the bottom of the picture may look like they match, but in reality Kee's hips are more straight while the other person's is curved. The only reason they look like they match is because you can't tell which line belongs to which artist. Kee's supposed traced line was actually part of the other drawing.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg696/scaled.php?server=696&filename=overlayn.png&res=medium

Plus, it's a sketch, so it's a lot easier to say they do match since the lines are messy.

[littlecatnap.livejournal.com]

I've just finished reading all of this entry and all of these comments aaaand I'm on the fence about the whole it's a trace/it's not a trace BUT I read this comment by Acorn on Acorn's FA journal and it just rubbed me the wrong way.

"Apparently, the A_B community feels it isn't sufficient evidence and that I should apologize. "

The apology is sounding less sincere and more "People are telling me I'm wrong so I'm going to say I'm sorry to make them go away."

That's just my opinion though because it's hard to judge sincerity over the internet.

[0acorn0.livejournal.com]

Someone asked why I apologized, that's why. I don't know how else to say it, because I still don't feel that I am wrong. There's too many matches for it to be pure coincidence.

[joanmichele.livejournal.com]

I've been watching this case for a while now, and I agreed that the traces are there. While it is possible that the lines matching up in one or two of the images could be attributed to coincidences, there is enough gathered in here that it would be disingenuous at best and maliciously dishonest at worst to dismiss the claim outright.

I find it quite suspicious that this case has been dismissed outright, when in the past this community had been partaking in witch-burning parties for things that match up far less. It is my policy with regards to tracing that if it's possible to manipulate the drawings to match up via resizing and rotating, then the possibility is there. These two things lead me to believe that this community's decision to blow the whistle on certain artists who trace seems to be predicated upon who did the reporting, or that the people responding dismissively in this post seems to have a vested interest in doing so. Perhaps to avoid being accused of the same using similar methods of overlay?

I wish I could say that i am disappointed in this community, but such hypocrisy like this seems to be on par for the course nowadays, if there's anything to the reports I have been hearing about this community.

[ocelotish]

Excuse me? Are you suggesting that everyone here looked at the OP and the artist, then conspired about whether or not we were going to believe the OP or not?

I have not dismissed this claim without considering it fully, and giving my reasons. It is my professional opinion that the pieces may have been referenced, but not traced due to how little they line up and which areas are copied, based on the idea that there are essentially 2 curves per piece that could be lined up, and that you can do with resizing. In my opinion the curves do not line up as well as the OP claims. In addition, while tracing torsos is still tracing and should be treated the same way as tracing anything else, it seems odd to that the torso were traced when the head, feet, and hands were not according to the OP (except maybe one foot in the whole batch). Based on my experience as an artist, the torso is one of the easiest parts to get to look right, and is one of the easier parts to line up on unrelated images (especially when the images have so little detail there). In addition, some of these images were distorted in order to fit the images in question better.

If I have given two different opinions when it comes to tracing, please show me, make my day. If not, realize this community is not a monolith and there will be different people with different opinions posting on different entries.

My Personal Breakdown of the New Overlays

[ocelotish]

I figured this will hopefully make things clear, but first of all I want to say that I'm still suspicious that they're all torsos where the lines are relatively easy to align with just normal resizing. There is not one single hand, foot, head, or even joint where there is an overlay that fits. This makes me think it is not a trace as there is very little difficulty to the flat expanses.

All images NSFW

http://i39.tinypic.com/r0vw4h.jpg - The hips do line up nicely here as broad curves. On that note, I'm noticing the depression in Kee's where there is a space between the great trochanter and the ilium, not seen in the overlaid work. At the armpit, I see the pectoralis major extending into the shoulder, where it is not seen on overlaid piece. In addition, I see a subtle addition of weight compressing the thigh in Dee's art. These are important details that seem unlikely to be added by a tracer as they require a relatively good understanding of anatomy.

http://i40.tinypic.com/nvnzx4.jpg - In this one I see a major application of weight to the belly (hence why the stomachs don't line up at all). Again, it seems odd that someone that needs to trace these areas would add that feeling of weight. The breast also has a flatness, missing from the overlay, and the scapula is in a different position. This is not considering the arrows that are pointing to where the lines are not even close to each other. Again, small but crucial details showing that Dee knows what she's doing.

http://i43.tinypic.com/15i9g8j.png - This is probably the closest one, but I find it odd someone needing help with the torso would reverse the curve of the spine by themselves if they needed to trace that much.

http://i44.tinypic.com/rhj09f.jpg - The stomach is pretty close, but Dee has a completely different the position of the hip and the shoulder blade and even the ribcage is in a different position. That doesn't seem like something that would be done by a tracer that effectively.

These seem like little nitpicks, but they're major structures when it comes to drawing, and they're just not lining up.

Re: My Personal Breakdown of the New Overlays

[ocelotish]

Also, I don't mean this as a knock to anyone involved here - Dee or the other artists, I was just looking for crucial differences that require knowledge.

[fastbreak333.livejournal.com]

Wow, this got really ugly. Part of me wants to feel sorry for 0acorn0, but another part makes me think she kinda brought this upon herself.

After watching this unfold..

[thaily.livejournal.com]

I've noticed the OP has been edited to remove information, notably that Kee used to be a roommate and that Acorn never saw her trace while they lived together, but now she's suddenly tracing?
The removing of information that collaborates with the suggestion that there is personal drama that plays a significant role here is highly suspect, though not as suspect as the tampered overlays; skeevy and disgusting.
No amount of "I'm sick! I have a cold! I was shaving my hamster!" bullshit excuses is going to convince me Acorn did not knowingly and maliciously try to commit libel against Kee. And her continued insincere "apologies" aren't winning her any points either, clearly the only person she's trying to excuse of blame is herself.
Sadly for her, no amount of FA buttbuddies riding to whiteknight her are going to undo the damage Acorn is doing to herself.

Beware well earned, clearly it's wise to avoid even social contact with Acorn, lest she turns on you and tries to publicly trash your artistic reputation over some perceived personal slight.

Re: After watching this unfold..

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Please do not use the term "buttbuddies" to describe some of the commenters here. It is insulting and inappropriate.

[jono-m.livejournal.com]

Yeah unlike others I do see the tracing and uhh if I was trying to hide the fact or I had a certain body type in mind I would stretch and rotate the pictures to do so.

[peludrax.livejournal.com]

I dunno if I see tracing so much as overused poses that are bound to overlap at some point. Go on DA and look up half these poses and you'll find photos that with a bit of nudging you can line up similarly, that's the problem really.

That and add the fact that the bits supposedly traced make no sense to BE traced it just...comes off odd. Tracing the middle of a figure and not the rest? Why would you do that? Tracing a whole arm/leg maybe, but just a tiny portion of a drawing? THAT is where I'm failing to make the correlation. You go through enough peoples art of similar character types and you will find similarities like the above.

tracinnggg, wee.

[lolkee.livejournal.com]

I had 4 new notes on FA when I returned from a short break. I checked out the links given, and all I can do is find it so humorous. I'm not a tracer.

I will admit, now, and in the future, I will draw things that look like a 5 year old crapped them out compared to my most recent works, but that's due to not only art block, which I seem to go through OFTEN, and sheer lack in effort. I admit, I didn't give a crap about how the sketches turned out back when, people gave me their money and that's all I wanted.

I went through a period of indecision on whether or not I should even ever draw again because I stopped finding interest in it.

I'm just surprised, more than anything, that you're STILL trying your hardest, Acorn, to try and slander my name.

Not to drag in the unnecessary, but this is getting out of hand. You need to grow up and leave me alone, like I've done you.

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/2947590/

The above is my response to the tracing allegations. To those of you who wish to take Acorn's side over mine, go right ahead. Just stop watching me, if you are, stop posting on my page, art, whatever. I obviously don't need watchers like you.

I've done pretty good so far ignoring everything everyone has been coming to me with, but this is just plain ridiculous.

Peace out. I:

Re: tracinnggg, wee.

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

Just wanted to link you to this discussion on copyright permissions on Pixelovelies (http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/531656.html?thread=19646664#t19646664), considering you used several photos from that site. Just acknowledging your sources may not be enough, depending on the photographer.

[enter-data-here.livejournal.com]

I don't even know anymore. After the skewing, I went from sure to on the fence, then with all the other "proof" for and against, some match but the same picture doesn't match. Now I'm not sure of tracing or referencing or if Acorn has a bias she doesn't see in herself. I am pretty disappointed in her conduct here after she said she was sorry and dropped it. I think she sees tracing, I don't think it was meant as a grudge post and I don't think that she will turn and do the same thing to someone else just because she doesn't like them.

Earlier I was thinking, "Kee isn't consistent!" But, when I looked at my own stuff, I realized that I also have many hit or misses with anatomy, using refs or not. I imagine it's the same with Kee. So I don't know.

As for people saying "Now I'm afraid of A_B!!" I wouldn't be. I think everyone was fair in their opinion and very unbiased. If anything I feel a little more secure in the off chance someone tried this with me (whether they felt it was legit or not), and I hate the idea of tracing.

Can an journal be locked to prevent further drama? Or does it stay open forever?

[kerstin-orion.livejournal.com]

We don't 'lock down' journals; we do, however, mark them as resolved, as we have with this one.

[lolkee.livejournal.com]

And I /just/ got this from the OP. I am not sure if this is relevant or not, and I'm not looking for any trouble. But apparently her public apology to you guys seems pretty null if she'd still go around blocks I have against her to contact me.

:AsphyxiationTRP 3:37 pm
I know what you're doing, and I don't appreciate your little game of tracing my art for your personal shit. It's pretty goddamn transparent when I can easily find the pieces (the adopt I made for you, the drawing of Lydia for Adrian, one of my commissions). Keep pretending you aren't copying my art. There's way too many "coincidences" for this, both off my art and off Dipper's. You can keep claiming you're a better person, but you aren't a person, you're a parasite. Whether it's finances or other people's art. (Oh, and I saw your little journal. I know your tactic of googling random photos to get the blame off you, as if I don't remember the "aile" thing.) I do not give a fuck what you do with yourself or with your life. You continue doing stupid childish little shit like this, and I'll keep reporting it to FA administration. I have NEVER fucked with your art, there is NO REASON for you to be fucking with mine or anyone else's. If you are so desperate for commissions and e-fame, then use your own goddamn bland poses. I am warning you right now, keep it up. I will keep reporting you. You get reported enough times, you WILL get a permaban. I have a list of all your FA usernames, and I will provide them to admins as well as any accounts you jump to afterwards.

You'd be better off admitting you traced instead of ganking random photos and claiming reference. I
I will keep compiling evidence

[sigilgoat.livejournal.com]

I do hope that you take a screenshot of that and are ready to provide it to the FA admins if necessary.

[calamarikeo.livejournal.com]

Honestly I don't think there's any tracing here. If you rotate practically anyone's art enough you're bound to find similarities in lines here and there, I think.

http://i.imgur.com/49AbO.jpg

Here's another example of similar poses matching up in various places.